Email Archive - Archive 2006 (7414 Messages) (Part 2 of 4)

Hi Shelley :-) I know a few people who would want to try to beat the new record. And that fairly soon. But i don't wanna give anything away and get myself into trouble ;-) Im sure all u guys feel a bit tired now, but considering Brent stopped 90 minutes before the end of time he has potential to improve :-) I guess his 12 hr record will stand for a while though. Mighty impressive :-) Cheers! -Per PS! Congratz Brentmorganmaster ;-) :D > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > > > On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man > with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? > > Rune > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > again. > > Shelley >

I think people out there underestimate the fatigue that plays into this record. I think it would be fair to ask people to break this record unofficially first before they even think about taking it to another level. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 19, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi Shelley :-) > > I know a few people who would want to try to beat the new record. > And that fairly soon. But i don't wanna give anything away and get > myself into trouble ;-) > > Im sure all u guys feel a bit tired now, but considering Brent > stopped 90 minutes before the end of time he has potential to > improve :-) I guess his 12 hr record will stand for a while though. > Mighty impressive :-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > > PS! Congratz Brentmorganmaster ;-) :D > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > <no_reply@...> wrote: >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: >> >>> On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a > man >> with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? >>> Rune >> >> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record >> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all > this >> again. >> >> Shelley >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

If i am going to buy a stackmat should i buy gen 1 or 2? Thanks

generation 2. -Chris On 2/19/06, bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > If i am going to buy a stackmat should i buy gen 1 or 2? Thanks > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, I forgot that "7"! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 Not quite... e=2.718281828...that's Feb 7th at 6:28 PM (18:28) Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > And e day=Feb 18th? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:08 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > Pi day = March 14th, 3/14 is how Americans would usually write it, > > although I believe that some european countries do dates dd/mm instead > > of mm/dd . > > > > http://www.mathwithmrherte.com/pi_day.htm > > > > And interestingly enough, the Exploratorium, home to many a cube > > competition seems to have celebrated pi day in the past: > > > > http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/ > > > > -Daniel > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Parth Upadhyay" > > <parth.upadhyay@> wrote: > > > > > > sorry to ask, but whats pi day? > > > Pi is awesome!! > > > -parth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

>From your answer it´s clear that a new attemt must be held under the jurisdiction of Caltech? ----- Original Message ----- From: "aznseashell" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? > Rune The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this again. Shelley Yahoo! Groups Links

Well, I don't think you have a choice...? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:08 PM, Chris Hunt wrote: > generation 2. > > -Chris > > On 2/19/06, bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@...> wrote: >> >> If i am going to buy a stackmat should i buy gen 1 or 2? Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

No, that's not true. The attempt needs to be held under the jurisdiction of the WCA so if you're in Europe, you might want to start being really really nice to Ron and Gilles, because you're going to need to get them to donate 24 hours of their time. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > >From your answer it´s clear that a new attemt must be held under the > jurisdiction of Caltech? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "aznseashell" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > >> On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man > with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? >> Rune > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > again. > > Shelley > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > again. > > Shelley > > Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a motivation to try this too sometime... :p

Hi Macky! I mostly solve with the cross on bottom, but in 25% of the cases I solve it on top becaause I can perform it much faster, and I don't loose much time while orienting the cube because I get to see more cubies while orienting it. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross itself. > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, most people keep it on the D face, AKA "D-Cross." That way, you > > don't have to flip the cube over and you can go straight to F2L etc. > > not necessarily better.. depends on your own preference: e.g. Jean > > Pons solves it on top. > > > > From Macky's site: > > > > Q5: > > Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the bottom / > > left instead of on the top? > > I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. :( > > A5: > > I use to do F2L with cross on U-face, but switched to D-face after > > getting sub-35. And trust me, it really makes a big difference, as I > > got a sub-30 average within a week after making that change. > > > > Here are a the two big advantages of D-cross F2L in speedcubing: > > 1. You use a lot of U and R moves, which allows you to execute algs > > quickly using FSC's(Finger Short Cuts). For example, one alg in > > U-cross F2L is FDF', but using D-cross F2L, it can be done as RUR' in > > about 0.3 second. ( ! ) Dan Knight's Speedcubing Page has some good > > FSC videos. See how Dan turns the cube using just one finger? That's > > what you will want to be doing if you want to average sub-20. > > > > 2. By using D-cross F2L, you can look for the second corner-edge pair > > while you're doing the first, third when doing the second and so on, > > so that you can turn the whole F2L non-stop. It takes a lot of > > practice to be able to do this, and I think it's not too much to say > > that this non-stop F2L is what separates sub-20 cubers from the rest. > > Oh, and yeah, try turning the algs from www.speedcubing.com and then > > you can learn the ones that you like. > > > > One more thing: GO SLOWLY ON F2L! This is the best advice anyone can > > give you. > > If you go too fast, you won't be able to see the next corner-edge > > pair, so you'll have to > > stop and search for the next pair, which is definitely not a good > > thing in speedcubing. > > > > Darren > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Wood" > > <pawsnwhiskers@> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings. > > > > > > When solving the cube using a cross method, what is the typical > > > orientation of the cross face (white for instance)? Do most people > > > hold the cube with white on the D face or solve it on the upper face > > > then flip over? Thanks. > > > > > > Roger Wood > > > > > >

I wanted to ask the french guys to try to beat the record, but after all, I'd better not say it too loud :-) There's something I'd like to know from Brent (by the way, no need to congratulate you on your record, it's just incredible). I'd like to know if such a marathon helps in improving some skills. - Consistency. - Dexterity. - Etc. Or, on the opposite, is it a way to develop bad habits, because when you get tired, you have to rely on robust and easy recognition techniques that may not be as effective? You'll tell us in a few weeks. Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > No, that's not true. The attempt needs to be held under the > jurisdiction of the WCA so if you're in Europe, you might want to start > being really really nice to Ron and Gilles, because you're going to > need to get them to donate 24 hours of their time. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > > > From your answer it´s clear that a new attemt must be held under the > > jurisdiction of Caltech? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "aznseashell" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > > > >> On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man > > with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? > >> Rune > > > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > > again. > > > > Shelley > > > >

Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this on a whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew to assemble this record together. We all have school work, and everyone took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make this happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the event. It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try just because you feel like it. Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it yourself unofficially in your own home. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > >> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record >> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all > this >> again. >> >> Shelley >> >> > > > Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > motivation to try this too sometime... :p > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like us put into cubing? I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be broken. Cubers do it all the time. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this on a > whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew to > assemble this record together. We all have school work, and everyone > took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make this > happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the event. > It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try just > because you feel like it. > > Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it > yourself unofficially in your own home. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > > > > >> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > >> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all > > this > >> again. > >> > >> Shelley > >> > >> > > > > > > Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > > motivation to try this too sometime... :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ashvinz11" <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > > I have the 25th anniversary 3x3 cube. I have used several solution > tips and things (for example, the petrus method). I just can't seem to > get close. the only time i figured it out was wiht a solver, so i > didnt really figure it out. Can anyone help? also, what are algorithms > or whatever? Thanks in advance! > Bump

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Wood" <pawsnwhiskers@...> wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm a new solver myself, but work on the cross first. Then work on > inserting corners and edges to solve the first 2 layers (F2L). > Cubestation.co.uk is a good site to start on. On the left side of > the webpage, there is a link for a beginner solution. > > Ciao. > > Roger Wood > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ashvinz11" > <ashvinz11@> wrote: > > > > I have the 25th anniversary 3x3 cube. I have used several solution > > tips and things (for example, the petrus method). I just can't > seem to > > get close. the only time i figured it out was wiht a solver, so i > > didnt really figure it out. Can anyone help? also, what are > algorithms > > or whatever? Thanks in advance! > > > THANKS! I havent seen that site yet so i'll check it out... Thanks again.

I think you have missed this post, Joël. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! No, that's not true. The attempt needs to be held under the jurisdiction of the WCA so if you're in Europe, you might want to start being really really nice to Ron and Gilles, because you're going to need to get them to donate 24 hours of their time. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > From your answer it´s clear that a new attemt must be held under the > jurisdiction of Caltech? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "aznseashell" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > >> On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man > with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? >> Rune > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > again. > > Shelley > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! Gotta get a bit faster before that, though. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

No... You're wrong about that. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > I think you have missed this post, Joël. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > No, that's not true. The attempt needs to be held under the > jurisdiction of the WCA so if you're in Europe, you might want to start > being really really nice to Ron and Gilles, because you're going to > need to get them to donate 24 hours of their time. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 12:57 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > > > From your answer it´s clear that a new attemt must be held under the > > jurisdiction of Caltech? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "aznseashell" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström wrote: > > > >> On the other hand the road now lies open to a new record for a man > > with stamina and motivation. Maybe mr Pochmann will be the next? > >> Rune > > > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all this > > again. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Hi, I think for beginners, the Petrus method is a bit complicated... I have a beginners method available on my site, and frequently get e- mails from ppl who say the explanation is quite good (not want to brag about it, but it's true). You might want to try it: www.solvethecube.co.uk. E-mail me if you get stuck somewhere... Good luck! Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ashvinz11" <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > > I have the 25th anniversary 3x3 cube. I have used several solution > tips and things (for example, the petrus method). I just can't seem to > get close. the only time i figured it out was wiht a solver, so i > didnt really figure it out. Can anyone help? also, what are algorithms > or whatever? Thanks in advance! >

That´s nonsense. You don´t have to get faster! Have you checked which average needed to make 3142 cubes in 24x60x60s? Stamina! Stamina! And remember; no stayer will open with the speed of a sprinter. R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > . Gotta get a bit faster before that, though. >> > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I agree. This is like saying that you worked for a couple of years for the 3x3x3 speed world record, so please don't anyone else try and beat it for a few months/whatever. If people can solve more than 3141 in 24 hours, let them, they shouldn't be frowned upon because they put in more effort to do more cubes. I'm not saying you didn't put any effort in, I think it's a great acheivment, I just don't think people should be banned for a few years from attempting it just because you already put in a lot of effort into the old one. I say banned because it'd be pretty hard to attempt to beat the record if Tyson disagrees with it. I'm sure Jess wouldn't have minded someone beating his record a few months later, it doesn't detract anything from his acheivment. Great effort brent & caltech. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like > us put into cubing? > > I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record > next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be > broken. Cubers do it all the time. > > - Joël. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > wrote: > > > > Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this > on a > > whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew > to > > assemble this record together. We all have school work, and > everyone > > took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make > this > > happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the > event. > > It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try > just > > because you feel like it. > > > > Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it > > yourself unofficially in your own home. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > > > > > > > >> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > > >> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do > all > > > this > > >> again. > > >> > > >> Shelley > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > > > motivation to try this too sometime... :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I never said "a few years" and I never said banned so please don't start putting words in my mouth. If you're interested in doing this record yourself, first attempt it at home and show us you clearly have a legitimate shot at breaking the record. Then, find someone willing to run the record. You might want to even consider financially compensating them for their time. It is certainly not a pleasant event for us to run. You'll probably have to find someone in Europe to do it for you. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:35 AM, thomkirjava wrote: > I agree. This is like saying that you worked for a couple of years for > the 3x3x3 speed world record, so please don't anyone else try and beat > it for a few months/whatever. > > If people can solve more than 3141 in 24 hours, let them, they > shouldn't be frowned upon because they put in more effort to do more > cubes. > > I'm not saying you didn't put any effort in, I think it's a great > acheivment, I just don't think people should be banned for a few years > from attempting it just because you already put in a lot of effort > into the old one. > > I say banned because it'd be pretty hard to attempt to beat the record > if Tyson disagrees with it. > > I'm sure Jess wouldn't have minded someone beating his record a few > months later, it doesn't detract anything from his acheivment. > > Great effort brent & caltech. > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@...> wrote: >> >> Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like >> us put into cubing? >> >> I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record >> next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be >> broken. Cubers do it all the time. >> >> - Joël. >> >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> >> wrote: >>> >>> Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this >> on a >>> whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew >> to >>> assemble this record together. We all have school work, and >> everyone >>> took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make >> this >>> happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the >> event. >>> It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try >> just >>> because you feel like it. >>> >>> Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it >>> yourself unofficially in your own home. >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> Astrophysics '06 >>> California Institute of Technology >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record >>>>> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do >> all >>>> this >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Shelley >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a >>>> motivation to try this too sometime... :p >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Seriously, why are people claiming that I say all these things? If you review the posts, you'll see that I requested that someone should be very serious about breaking this record. One way of proving to us that you're actually serious is to break the record yourself unofficially at home. I feel this is a reasonable request given the number of hours it requires a team of people to ratify the record. In the United States, there are libel laws which prevent people from making up false statements about other people. I never said this record was "banned" nor did I say the record would never be attempted again NOR did I say that we wanted to wait a few years. And it's not just a "few hours" of our time, it's days. An event like this disrupts our lives. We take out large portions of our day, rotate off, and then we end up having to sleep. It's disruptive, we lose at least a day of not being able to do homework, and everyone feels miserable afterwards. Furthermore, you make it sound like we don't do any acts of selflessness for the cubing community. It seems to be that you've forgotten that we actually run competitions and put a lot of effort into those ourselves. See, I guess I forgot that I'm obligated to do those types of things. They have it in my contract, because a cuber spends years cubing, then I have to take my time to fuel their obsession. My friends and myself put a lot of effort into running competitions. We've donated well more than our share of time to the cubing community. What's a few hours to you? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like > us put into cubing? > > I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record > next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be > broken. Cubers do it all the time. > > - Joël. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this > on a >> whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew > to >> assemble this record together. We all have school work, and > everyone >> took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make > this >> happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the > event. >> It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try > just >> because you feel like it. >> >> Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it >> yourself unofficially in your own home. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: >> >>> >>>> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record >>>> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do > all >>> this >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Shelley >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a >>> motivation to try this too sometime... :p >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

These are in no way final, but this is what the Caltech Cube Club will expect from you if you want to break the record. First of all, we don't plan on running another event like this again until the summer. We simply don't have time, and I think I can safely say, unless you go to a tech school in India, we have more homework than you. Our schedule is booked until the summer. If you are interested in breaking this event, you'll have to wait until June. We are currently busy working on a competition for March 11, March 27, and April 22, as well as US Nationals. You must provide 10 cubes. These cubes must all be approved by the WCA. You might want to have more just in case some break. Yeah, I personally don't have 10 speed cubes. Find some friends and borrow some. We need 10 cubes because it assists in the counting. Actually wait... you're going to need to provide 12 cubes in case one breaks so we have 10 cubes in the cycle. We had about 15 cubes available for Brent's record. You will provide some staff. Our club will provide two staff positions. The cube scramble checker, and the counter. You must find people that can read notation and scramble a cube relatively quickly, and furthermore, you've got to get them to agree to scramble for 24 hours, or you're going to need two people to switch off, or three people, etc. Basically, you provide the scramblers. That's about it. If someone is interested in an attempt to break this record, contact me and we'll work it out. That's how Brent and I coordinated. We've been talking to each other back and forth for several months and we were able to work something out. If you want to do this, shoot me an e-mail. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > True, though... I think most things "pi" related don't usually round... > gosh, what geeks are we debating the rounding of pi! With "pi" day, > it's generally on March 14, at 1:59 PM, That's more like "pi" minute. Pi day is just March 14th (or maybe 1st May in the UK ... ). >and well, I guess you could > carry it out for more decimal places, and in this case as well, > rounding makes no sense. > > We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:56 AM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> I think Brent Morgan is going to stop after 3141 cubes. He'll > >> probably > >> solve half a cube after that, but exhaustion is definitely setting in. > >> Tune into the webcast to see the finale! > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > > > > I think that guess came a bit late in the day! > > I'm kind of curious, given the subject, why not go for 3142. Rounding > > off to 3 decimal > > places and multippying by 1000 would give 3142. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

No, I was only being half serious. You would feel this way too the day after a 24 hour cube marathon. Besides, Brent did set the bar pretty high. If you want to try it, do so unofficially first. The record may look easy until you've personally experienced the fatigue that sets in after 12 hours of virtually nonstop cubing. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all > this > > again. > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > motivation to try this too sometime... :p >

First of all, I never said you said them. Someone else said the few years thing and you assumed we were talking about you. This isn't a closed conversation. I never said we were banned. I was exagerating because all of a sudden after brent set his record there was a big, unprovoked "DON'T TRY AND BEAT IT PLZ!!" and since you'd be mad at it being tryed again soon, there would effectivly be no point in doing it if all you got was a bad reaction. I never said anything about doing this myself, either now you're putting words in _my_ mouth. Apparently we're forgotten everything you've done for the community because I disagreed with people not doing this for a few years. You appear to be making assumptions. Of course I havn't and I congratulated you last post because I said you took a great effort to get it all done. I'm glad you've done everything for us, but please don't rant at me because I disagree with someone having to wait a few years if they wish to try this again. They should be allowed when they want. Also, I wasn't even talking to you initially, I think you kind of dove into the conversation after the initial backlash. Also see: > The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do all > this > again. > > Shelley I hope you understand my actions now :) ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Seriously, why are people claiming that I say all these things? If you > review the posts, you'll see that I requested that someone should be > very serious about breaking this record. One way of proving to us that > you're actually serious is to break the record yourself unofficially at > home. I feel this is a reasonable request given the number of hours it > requires a team of people to ratify the record. In the United States, > there are libel laws which prevent people from making up false > statements about other people. I never said this record was "banned" > nor did I say the record would never be attempted again NOR did I say > that we wanted to wait a few years. > > And it's not just a "few hours" of our time, it's days. An event like > this disrupts our lives. We take out large portions of our day, rotate > off, and then we end up having to sleep. It's disruptive, we lose at > least a day of not being able to do homework, and everyone feels > miserable afterwards. Furthermore, you make it sound like we don't do > any acts of selflessness for the cubing community. It seems to be that > you've forgotten that we actually run competitions and put a lot of > effort into those ourselves. See, I guess I forgot that I'm obligated > to do those types of things. They have it in my contract, because a > cuber spends years cubing, then I have to take my time to fuel their > obsession. > > My friends and myself put a lot of effort into running competitions. > We've donated well more than our share of time to the cubing community. > What's a few hours to you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > > > Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like > > us put into cubing? > > > > I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record > > next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be > > broken. Cubers do it all the time. > > > > - Joël. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this > > on a > >> whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew > > to > >> assemble this record together. We all have school work, and > > everyone > >> took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make > > this > >> happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the > > event. > >> It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try > > just > >> because you feel like it. > >> > >> Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it > >> yourself unofficially in your own home. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > >>>> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do > > all > >>> this > >>>> again. > >>>> > >>>> Shelley > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > >>> motivation to try this too sometime... :p > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> wrote: > > I consider myself a bit of a geek but I never realised my birthday is pi > day. Not even close to a geek then. When I was running up to the last couple of weeks I had a counter running down to my 1 billionth birth second. : ) I'd accounted for the leap seconds etc. but I was only able to nail the exact time down to +/- 60 seconds. [Time of birth is only recorded to the minute. : ( ] I took a lunch break so I could celebrate. Also last time I was in NY I arranged to see a friend for my 1/3 century. (Although this was just 33 years + 4 months rather than exactly 100/3 years. I was in the UK at the erxact time, which was the previous day.) And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. Unless you are in the original sideshow sense! >Problem is that outside of this community I don't know anyone who > would find this the least bit interesting. Well I'll just have to be > satisfied with my own sense of happiness on this one. > > Duncan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > True, though... I think most things "pi" related don't usually round... > > gosh, what geeks are we debating the rounding of pi! With "pi" day, > > it's generally on March 14, at 1:59 PM, and well, I guess you could > > carry it out for more decimal places, and in this case as well, > > rounding makes no sense. > > > > We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step > > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:56 AM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > > > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think Brent Morgan is going to stop after 3141 cubes. He'll > >>> probably > >>> solve half a cube after that, but exhaustion is definitely setting in. > >>> Tune into the webcast to see the finale! > >>> > >>> Tyson Mao > >>> Astrophysics '06 > >>> California Institute of Technology > >>> > >> > >> I think that guess came a bit late in the day! > >> I'm kind of curious, given the subject, why not go for 3142. Rounding > >> off to 3 decimal > >> places and multippying by 1000 would give 3142. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Nah. > > Feb 7th at 1 o'clock. That would be e hour rather than e day. You could have Feb 7th or 27th Jan for e day. > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> > > wrote: > > > > > > And e day=Feb 18th? > > > > Probably more like 27th January. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:08 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > > > > > > > Pi day = March 14th, 3/14 is how Americans would usually write it, > > > > although I believe that some european countries do dates dd/mm > instead > > > > of mm/dd . > > > > > > > > http://www.mathwithmrherte.com/pi_day.htm > > > > > > > > And interestingly enough, the Exploratorium, home to many a cube > > > > competition seems to have celebrated pi day in the past: > > > > > > > > http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/ > > > > > > > > -Daniel > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Parth Upadhyay" > > > > <parth.upadhyay@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > sorry to ask, but whats pi day? > > > > > Pi is awesome!! > > > > > -parth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Not quite... > e=2.718281828...that's Feb 7th at 6:28 PM (18:28) > That's e minute not e day. > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > And e day=Feb 18th? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 9:08 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > > > > Pi day = March 14th, 3/14 is how Americans would usually write > it, > > > although I believe that some european countries do dates dd/mm > instead > > > of mm/dd . > > > > > > http://www.mathwithmrherte.com/pi_day.htm > > > > > > And interestingly enough, the Exploratorium, home to many a cube > > > competition seems to have celebrated pi day in the past: > > > > > > http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/ > > > > > > -Daniel > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Parth Upadhyay" > > > <parth.upadhyay@> wrote: > > > > > > > > sorry to ask, but whats pi day? > > > > Pi is awesome!! > > > > -parth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > That's more like "pi" minute. Pi day is just March 14th 22nd July (22/7 in the UK) is close enough for me. Mike

Hmm? But I updated the page a few days ago, and now it says this: "Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the bottom / left instead of on the top? I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. :( Yes, it does make a huge difference. I use to do F2L with cross on U-face, but switched to D-face after getting sub-35. I got a sub-30 average within a week after making switching to cross on bottom. I would recommend doing every step of the method with the first layer on bottom. These are the two advantages of placing the cross on bottom: # It lets you use U and R turns, which allows you to execute algs quickly using finger tricks. # It gives you a much better view of what you're solving and lets you look ahead." I think your browser didn't reload the updated page. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Oops, I guess I didn't read carefully enough ^^; I just googled > D-Cross and found that.. cause some of your pages are gone.. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross itself. > > > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > > > Macky > >

Very nice description of the requirements needed to set a new 24-hour cubing record, but I just disagree with you one point: > I think I can safely say, unless you go to a tech school in India, > we have more homework than you. I am not really disagreeing but I'm eager to know how you make that conclusion? Under which assumptions? Is it really that hard? Sven

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > That's more like "pi" minute. Pi day is just March 14th > > 22nd July (22/7 in the UK) is close enough for me. > > Mike > Yes, that's right. Must have lived in the US for too long. I was thinking of 1st May ("31st" of April) instead of 22nd July but it is true that 22nd July is used here.

Thanks for the input Tim, Darren and Macky. What's the best way to approach cube inspection to formulate the cross plan? I can't formulate that many steps ahead yet in my head. Is it best to write it out at first and then execute to see if correct? Thanks again. Roger Wood --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hmm? But I updated the page a few days ago, and now it says this: > > "Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the bottom / > left instead of on the top? > I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. : ( > > Yes, it does make a huge difference. I use to do F2L with cross on > U-face, but switched to D-face after getting sub-35. I got a sub-30 > average within a week after making switching to cross on bottom. I > would recommend doing every step of the method with the first layer on > bottom. These are the two advantages of placing the cross on bottom: > # It lets you use U and R turns, which allows you to execute algs > quickly using finger tricks. > # It gives you a much better view of what you're solving and lets you > look ahead." > > I think your browser didn't reload the updated page. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Oops, I guess I didn't read carefully enough ^^; I just googled > > D-Cross and found that.. cause some of your pages are gone.. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross itself. > > > > > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > > > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > > > > > Macky > > > >

Yes, I know, and I might be able to come close to it or even beat it already. But unless I really have a robot (not anytime soon, probably) I only have a very limited number of attempts because I need people to help and I probably won't find them very often. So I'd rather make sure I can beat it, and that's why I'd like to get faster first. Also, right now I'm improving quickly, so why waste an attempt now? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > That´s nonsense. You don´t have to get faster! Have you checked which average needed to make 3142 cubes in 24x60x60s? > Stamina! Stamina! > And remember; no stayer will open with the speed of a sprinter. > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:39 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > > > . Gotta get a bit faster before that, though. > >> > > Cheers! > > Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Very nice description of the requirements needed to set a new 24-hour > cubing record, but I just disagree with you one point: > > > I think I can safely say, unless you go to a tech school in India, > > we have more homework than you. > > I am not really disagreeing but I'm eager to know how you make that > conclusion? Under which assumptions? Is it really that hard? > > Sven > I'd be surprised as well. I looked at the original post - maybe it was set in some more restricted context but was it really meant that CalTech has more homework than any other educational establishment in the world outside of tech schools in India? From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be amazed if that statement was true. I think the words "I think I can safely say" are very ill-advised unless of course he has experienced full-time education at almost all educational establishments.

Tyson, YOU never said 'a few years', but someone else did, and it sounded a bit weird to me... And I never claimed YOU said 'a few years', so I am not putting words in your mouth. It's just that you are feeling like I am putting words in your mouth. > And it's not just a "few hours" of our time, it's days. Compared to the 1000's of hours that speedcubers like us put into cubing, I think an event like this is taking just a few hours (for each person involved). You didn't do this all by yourself did you? > It seems to be that you've forgotten that we actually run competitions and put a lot of effort into those ourselves. No, Tyson.. How can I forget? You remind me of this all the time. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Seriously, why are people claiming that I say all these things? If you > review the posts, you'll see that I requested that someone should be > very serious about breaking this record. One way of proving to us that > you're actually serious is to break the record yourself unofficially at > home. I feel this is a reasonable request given the number of hours it > requires a team of people to ratify the record. In the United States, > there are libel laws which prevent people from making up false > statements about other people. I never said this record was "banned" > nor did I say the record would never be attempted again NOR did I say > that we wanted to wait a few years. > > And it's not just a "few hours" of our time, it's days. An event like > this disrupts our lives. We take out large portions of our day, rotate > off, and then we end up having to sleep. It's disruptive, we lose at > least a day of not being able to do homework, and everyone feels > miserable afterwards. Furthermore, you make it sound like we don't do > any acts of selflessness for the cubing community. It seems to be that > you've forgotten that we actually run competitions and put a lot of > effort into those ourselves. See, I guess I forgot that I'm obligated > to do those types of things. They have it in my contract, because a > cuber spends years cubing, then I have to take my time to fuel their > obsession. > > My friends and myself put a lot of effort into running competitions. > We've donated well more than our share of time to the cubing community. > What's a few hours to you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 5:11 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > > > Ok.. But what is a few hours, compared to all the time people like > > us put into cubing? > > > > I agree that it's inconsiderate for someone to break this record > > next week, but in a few years...? I mean, records are there to be > > broken. Cubers do it all the time. > > > > - Joël. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Well, it would be very inconsiderate for someone to just do this > > on a > >> whim. Please consider the total number of hours it took our crew > > to > >> assemble this record together. We all have school work, and > > everyone > >> took a considerable amount of time away from their lives to make > > this > >> happen. We had Adam and Matt also drive up to help out with the > > event. > >> It's not something "trivial" and it's not something that you try > > just > >> because you feel like it. > >> > >> Honestly, don't even think about doing this until you've done it > >> yourself unofficially in your own home. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>> The Caltech Crew would appreciate it if people left this record > >>>> untouched for at least a few years. We're not too eager to do > > all > >>> this > >>>> again. > >>>> > >>>> Shelley > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Is that a serious request? A few years? To me it feels like a > >>> motivation to try this too sometime... :p > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

If anyone ever needs my help with something like this, I am very very willing to help, btw (as long as it is not in the next few months ;)). I am sure you will find a lot of cubers that like to participate, as it is another excuse for organising a meeting again :). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Yes, I know, and I might be able to come close to it or even beat it > already. But unless I really have a robot (not anytime soon, probably) > I only have a very limited number of attempts because I need people to > help and I probably won't find them very often. So I'd rather make > sure I can beat it, and that's why I'd like to get faster first. Also, > right now I'm improving quickly, so why waste an attempt now? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. > wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > That´s nonsense. You don´t have to get faster! Have you checked > which average needed to make 3142 cubes in 24x60x60s? > > Stamina! Stamina! > > And remember; no stayer will open with the speed of a sprinter. > > R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:39 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Guess The Number! > > > > > > > > > . Gotta get a bit faster before that, though. > > >> > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > And it's not just a "few hours" of our time, it's days. > > Compared to the 1000's of hours that speedcubers like us put into > cubing, I think an event like this is taking just a few hours (for > each person involved). You didn't do this all by yourself did you? > I don't think the time we volunteered for this event is comparable to the thousands of hours speedcubers put into speedcubing. Most of those hours are people practicing on their own time for the sake of personal improvement. We took several hours out of our daily lives and homework schedules which we would much rather be spending doing something else, and got little to no compensation in return. Shelley

What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be amazed if that statement was true.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell <no_reply@...> wrote: > > What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our > hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that > seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of > people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. > > Shelley > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be > amazed if that statement was true. > Not at all - I'm saying is that if CalTech really has more homework than any educational establishment on earth (except in India) then nobody would have time to do so much cubing. Are you confirming the statement about CalTech having more homework than all those other places?

Perhaps the small group of people that cube at Caltech have the ability to focus on something they are really truly passionate about? I don't see the correlation. Maybe we're different from most people out there? Perhaps we really can succeed at cubing, in even a highly stressful academic environment. Yeah, I'm pretty confident that our undergraduate core curriculum is one of the most intense academic workloads in the world. It's impossible to rank them numerically, but I'll say we're definitely in the top 1/2%. In any case, it's true. The hours people spend cubing are for their own benefit. The hours we spend running competitions and assisting in everything else gives us no such self-gratification. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:21 PM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > <no_reply@...> wrote: >> >> What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our >> hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that >> seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of >> people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. >> >> Shelley >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 >> <no_reply@> wrote: >> >>> From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be >> amazed if that statement was true. >> > > Not at all - I'm saying is that if CalTech really has more homework > than any educational > establishment on earth (except in India) then nobody would have time > to do so much > cubing. Are you confirming the statement about CalTech having more > homework than all > those other places? > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Why is this topic even changed? The comment about "tech schools in India" was a small sarcastic remark in the middle of a set of guidelines we would request if someone wants to break the record. Stop picking on this little small thing and look at the big picture. We put in a lot of our time and energy so that other people can have the fame and glory. I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to ask people to put in some effort themselves if they want this 24-hour record. You will do it alone for 24 hours just so that you understand the excruciating pain that you will feel, and then you will provide some staff to help out. I'm not responding anymore about our academic workload at Caltech. It's not relevant at all. I have made it clear that I am open to running another 24-hour marathon. I do not see the necessity of continuing this discussion unless someone feels that guidelines that I have set forth are unfair. This is not a forum to discuss Caltech's homework load. The reason for bringing that up was simply to say that we're busy students, and if we are expected to take time out of our lives, you should be willing to help us out and make things easier for us. And Joel, if you want to seriously attempt this record, I'd be willing to run the event if you would be willing to fly to the United States. Otherwise, you're better off coordinating something with Ron. It's unfortunate that we're all separated geographically. I know Richard Patterson was talking about breaking the record. If he wants to try it, I'm open to it. Unless the guidelines I posted earlier are unreasonable, there's no need to argue. Personally, I'd love to see one of you guys try to break the record. It would be very entertaining for me, to see the human limits pushed as far as possible. Also, the dialogue that results from sleep deprivation because very very funny. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > Perhaps the small group of people that cube at Caltech have the ability > to focus on something they are really truly passionate about? I don't > see the correlation. Maybe we're different from most people out there? > Perhaps we really can succeed at cubing, in even a highly stressful > academic environment. > > Yeah, I'm pretty confident that our undergraduate core curriculum is > one of the most intense academic workloads in the world. It's > impossible to rank them numerically, but I'll say we're definitely in > the top 1/2%. > > In any case, it's true. The hours people spend cubing are for their > own benefit. The hours we spend running competitions and assisting in > everything else gives us no such self-gratification. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:21 PM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell >> <no_reply@...> wrote: >>> >>> What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our >>> hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that >>> seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of >>> people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. >>> >>> Shelley >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 >>> <no_reply@> wrote: >>> >>>> From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be >>> amazed if that statement was true. >>> >> >> Not at all - I'm saying is that if CalTech really has more homework >> than any educational >> establishment on earth (except in India) then nobody would have time >> to do so much >> cubing. Are you confirming the statement about CalTech having more >> homework than all >> those other places? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

> Yeah, I'm pretty confident that our undergraduate core curriculum is > one of the most intense academic workloads in the world. It's > impossible to rank them numerically, but I'll say we're definitely in > the top 1/2%. I agree now, but that's far different from saying > I think I can safely say, unless you go to a tech school in India, > we have more homework than you. Knowing that there are at least 25'000 universities in the world (8,407 of them being in India... I was very surprised actually but you can check at http://www.aneki.com/universities.html), you might say that Caltech is probably in the 125 *hardest* university. But knowing that the cubing community is a very specific portion of the overall studying population, I can imagine that you are making a huge mistake by saying "we have more homework than you"... >From my personal experience, I can definitely say that homeworks/courses at CMU (Carnegie Mellon University) in computer science (CMU is ranked between 1st and 3rd rank for its undergrad CS dept.) do NOT take more time than attending classes at my home university. My point is that you shouldn't make assumptions not based on any experienced situations. Sven

Sorry for making a big mess out of this... I just like to create some stupid conversations sometimes. :-( Again, I congratulate Brent and the Caltech cubing crew for making this record possible. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Why is this topic even changed? The comment about "tech schools in > India" was a small sarcastic remark in the middle of a set of > guidelines we would request if someone wants to break the record. Stop > picking on this little small thing and look at the big picture. > > We put in a lot of our time and energy so that other people can have > the fame and glory. I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to ask > people to put in some effort themselves if they want this 24-hour > record. You will do it alone for 24 hours just so that you understand > the excruciating pain that you will feel, and then you will provide > some staff to help out. > > I'm not responding anymore about our academic workload at Caltech. > It's not relevant at all. I have made it clear that I am open to > running another 24-hour marathon. I do not see the necessity of > continuing this discussion unless someone feels that guidelines that I > have set forth are unfair. This is not a forum to discuss Caltech's > homework load. The reason for bringing that up was simply to say that > we're busy students, and if we are expected to take time out of our > lives, you should be willing to help us out and make things easier for > us. > > And Joel, if you want to seriously attempt this record, I'd be willing > to run the event if you would be willing to fly to the United States. > Otherwise, you're better off coordinating something with Ron. It's > unfortunate that we're all separated geographically. I know Richard > Patterson was talking about breaking the record. If he wants to try > it, I'm open to it. > > Unless the guidelines I posted earlier are unreasonable, there's no > need to argue. > > Personally, I'd love to see one of you guys try to break the record. > It would be very entertaining for me, to see the human limits pushed as > far as possible. Also, the dialogue that results from sleep > deprivation because very very funny. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > > > Perhaps the small group of people that cube at Caltech have the ability > > to focus on something they are really truly passionate about? I don't > > see the correlation. Maybe we're different from most people out there? > > Perhaps we really can succeed at cubing, in even a highly stressful > > academic environment. > > > > Yeah, I'm pretty confident that our undergraduate core curriculum is > > one of the most intense academic workloads in the world. It's > > impossible to rank them numerically, but I'll say we're definitely in > > the top 1/2%. > > > > In any case, it's true. The hours people spend cubing are for their > > own benefit. The hours we spend running competitions and assisting in > > everything else gives us no such self-gratification. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:21 PM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > > > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > >> <no_reply@> wrote: > >>> > >>> What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our > >>> hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that > >>> seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of > >>> people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. > >>> > >>> Shelley > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > >>> <no_reply@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be > >>> amazed if that statement was true. > >>> > >> > >> Not at all - I'm saying is that if CalTech really has more homework > >> than any educational > >> establishment on earth (except in India) then nobody would have time > >> to do so much > >> cubing. Are you confirming the statement about CalTech having more > >> homework than all > >> those other places? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Oh, yeah.. I clicked on google's Cached version of the page.. ^^; --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hmm? But I updated the page a few days ago, and now it says this: > > "Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the bottom / > left instead of on the top? > I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. :( > > Yes, it does make a huge difference. I use to do F2L with cross on > U-face, but switched to D-face after getting sub-35. I got a sub-30 > average within a week after making switching to cross on bottom. I > would recommend doing every step of the method with the first layer on > bottom. These are the two advantages of placing the cross on bottom: > # It lets you use U and R turns, which allows you to execute algs > quickly using finger tricks. > # It gives you a much better view of what you're solving and lets you > look ahead." > > I think your browser didn't reload the updated page. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Oops, I guess I didn't read carefully enough ^^; I just googled > > D-Cross and found that.. cause some of your pages are gone.. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross itself. > > > > > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > > > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > > > > > Macky > > > >

Thanks for the offer organising a 24 hour cubemarathon once, but I think, if I really want that, I expect that I can find some people who can help me out with that. No need to go to the US for that. And I don't think the regulations are unreasonable. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Why is this topic even changed? The comment about "tech schools in > India" was a small sarcastic remark in the middle of a set of > guidelines we would request if someone wants to break the record. Stop > picking on this little small thing and look at the big picture. > > We put in a lot of our time and energy so that other people can have > the fame and glory. I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to ask > people to put in some effort themselves if they want this 24-hour > record. You will do it alone for 24 hours just so that you understand > the excruciating pain that you will feel, and then you will provide > some staff to help out. > > I'm not responding anymore about our academic workload at Caltech. > It's not relevant at all. I have made it clear that I am open to > running another 24-hour marathon. I do not see the necessity of > continuing this discussion unless someone feels that guidelines that I > have set forth are unfair. This is not a forum to discuss Caltech's > homework load. The reason for bringing that up was simply to say that > we're busy students, and if we are expected to take time out of our > lives, you should be willing to help us out and make things easier for > us. > > And Joel, if you want to seriously attempt this record, I'd be willing > to run the event if you would be willing to fly to the United States. > Otherwise, you're better off coordinating something with Ron. It's > unfortunate that we're all separated geographically. I know Richard > Patterson was talking about breaking the record. If he wants to try > it, I'm open to it. > > Unless the guidelines I posted earlier are unreasonable, there's no > need to argue. > > Personally, I'd love to see one of you guys try to break the record. > It would be very entertaining for me, to see the human limits pushed as > far as possible. Also, the dialogue that results from sleep > deprivation because very very funny. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:41 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > > > Perhaps the small group of people that cube at Caltech have the ability > > to focus on something they are really truly passionate about? I don't > > see the correlation. Maybe we're different from most people out there? > > Perhaps we really can succeed at cubing, in even a highly stressful > > academic environment. > > > > Yeah, I'm pretty confident that our undergraduate core curriculum is > > one of the most intense academic workloads in the world. It's > > impossible to rank them numerically, but I'll say we're definitely in > > the top 1/2%. > > > > In any case, it's true. The hours people spend cubing are for their > > own benefit. The hours we spend running competitions and assisting in > > everything else gives us no such self-gratification. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 2:21 PM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > > > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, aznseashell > >> <no_reply@> wrote: > >>> > >>> What, just because we have a lot of homework we can't have our > >>> hobbies? I'd also like to point out that "the amount of cubing that > >>> seems to go on in Caltech" is centralized around a small handful of > >>> people, out of the 900+ undergraduates that go here. > >>> > >>> Shelley > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > >>> <no_reply@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> From the amount of cubing that seems to go on in CalTech I would be > >>> amazed if that statement was true. > >>> > >> > >> Not at all - I'm saying is that if CalTech really has more homework > >> than any educational > >> establishment on earth (except in India) then nobody would have time > >> to do so much > >> cubing. Are you confirming the statement about CalTech having more > >> homework than all > >> those other places? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It takes a lot of practice (yes, pretty blank statement..). you can try writing it out for starters, then move on to memorizing. a few hints: 1. know your cube's color scheme 2. explore different ways/shortcuts 3. you should be able to do it without looking 4. position the pieces relative to each other then align them by doing D turns (provided that it gives an optimal solution to the cross); this is related to knowing your color scheme 5. check out some websites that talk about the cross.. i remember there were a few floating around here good luck Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Wood" <pawsnwhiskers@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the input Tim, Darren and Macky. > > What's the best way to approach cube inspection to formulate the > cross plan? I can't formulate that many steps ahead yet in my > head. Is it best to write it out at first and then execute to see > if correct? Thanks again. > > Roger Wood > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > Hmm? But I updated the page a few days ago, and now it says this: > > > > "Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the > bottom / > > left instead of on the top? > > I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. : > ( > > > > Yes, it does make a huge difference. I use to do F2L with cross on > > U-face, but switched to D-face after getting sub-35. I got a sub-30 > > average within a week after making switching to cross on bottom. I > > would recommend doing every step of the method with the first > layer on > > bottom. These are the two advantages of placing the cross on > bottom: > > # It lets you use U and R turns, which allows you to execute algs > > quickly using finger tricks. > > # It gives you a much better view of what you're solving and lets > you > > look ahead." > > > > I think your browser didn't reload the updated page. > > > > Macky > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Oops, I guess I didn't read carefully enough ^^; I just googled > > > D-Cross and found that.. cause some of your pages are gone.. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross > itself. > > > > > > > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > > > > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > > > > > > > Macky > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The new 2006 ones stay on with a square piece of paper wedged under > the cap. The old ones I always had to glue. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > Anyone find a way to keep them on without gluing them and such? > > > I bought mine at the end of Janurary, and hints in where/how to wedge this paper underneath?

Hi Tyson :-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Seriously, why are people claiming that I say all these things? If you > review the posts, you'll see that I requested that someone should be > very serious about breaking this record. One way of proving to us that > you're actually serious is to break the record yourself unofficially at > home. I feel this is a reasonable request given the number of hours it > requires a team of people to ratify the record. This is an unreasonable request. There is ONE guy who is gonna solve cubes for 24 hrs or up to maximum 24 hrs. If someone feels he/she is up to it then why not go directly for official record? U Tyson would not be involved. So what does it matter to u ? If the person going for it has enough scramblers/helpers why should he have to do it twice (unofficially then officially). I can't see that u Tyson can request this. It doesn't make sense to me ;-) After all the cube is just a puzzle. And if the person fails badly to beat the current record, so what ?? Cheers! -Per

Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all up... Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will also add that competitive edge to it. And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to do this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the counters and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some extent. Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but to ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit for it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a lot of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, as Per said... Craig

Cut a piece of paper square so that it is roughly the same size as the center (including the thickness of the walls). Put it over the opening. Then put the cap on, pressing the paper evenly on all four sides as you push the cap in. The tension created by wedging the paper holds the cap in place quite nicely. Be careful if you lube, not to get the paper wet. Silicon-soaked paper doesn't work as well! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" <cantspelwright@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > The new 2006 ones stay on with a square piece of paper wedged under > > the cap. The old ones I always had to glue. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone find a way to keep them on without gluing them and such? > > > > > > I bought mine at the end of Janurary, and hints in where/how to wedge > this paper underneath? >

I would suggest "feeling your way" through a cross solve, if you have trouble seeing ahead. You need to be able to anticipate at least 1 or 2 turns ahead. Try for the first piece, then move on to the next, and so on. Count the number of turns, and try to keep it 8 or less. With practice you will be able to anticipate and see the whole thing in advance, because you will have seen the patterns before. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It takes a lot of practice (yes, pretty blank statement..). you can > try writing it out for starters, then move on to memorizing. a few hints: > > 1. know your cube's color scheme > 2. explore different ways/shortcuts > 3. you should be able to do it without looking > 4. position the pieces relative to each other then align them by doing > D turns (provided that it gives an optimal solution to the cross); > this is related to knowing your color scheme > 5. check out some websites that talk about the cross.. i remember > there were a few floating around here > > good luck > > Darren > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Wood" > <pawsnwhiskers@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the input Tim, Darren and Macky. > > > > What's the best way to approach cube inspection to formulate the > > cross plan? I can't formulate that many steps ahead yet in my > > head. Is it best to write it out at first and then execute to see > > if correct? Thanks again. > > > > Roger Wood > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > Hmm? But I updated the page a few days ago, and now it says this: > > > > > > "Will it really make a difference if I put the cross on the > > bottom / > > > left instead of on the top? > > > I don't feel like throwing away the eight algorithms I memorized. : > > ( > > > > > > Yes, it does make a huge difference. I use to do F2L with cross on > > > U-face, but switched to D-face after getting sub-35. I got a sub-30 > > > average within a week after making switching to cross on bottom. I > > > would recommend doing every step of the method with the first > > layer on > > > bottom. These are the two advantages of placing the cross on > > bottom: > > > # It lets you use U and R turns, which allows you to execute algs > > > quickly using finger tricks. > > > # It gives you a much better view of what you're solving and lets > > you > > > look ahead." > > > > > > I think your browser didn't reload the updated page. > > > > > > Macky > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Oops, I guess I didn't read carefully enough ^^; I just googled > > > > D-Cross and found that.. cause some of your pages are gone.. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What I wrote was about the rest of the solve, not the cross > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > Do most people solve the cross on bottom from the start now? I > > > > > remember it being pretty rare in 2002-3. > > > > > > > > > > Macky > > > > > > > > > > >

Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to provide some proof it'll be worth their time? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all up... > > Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 > people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > also add that competitive edge to it. > > And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to do > this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the counters > and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for > it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some extent. > Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but to > ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit for > it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a lot > of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself > through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, > as Per said... > > Craig >

It doesn't have to involve me, but it needs to involve someone from the WCA for the record to be official. I personally am not a big fan of taking out hours out of my day if someone has no chance for the world record. If they can find another WCA official to preside over for them, then fine, go for it. If you want to do it at Caltech, we request that you practice once. I believe people underestimate the power of fatigue. We at the WCA need to design a system for dealing with records like these. With all of the other records, there are competitions scheduled so you go to a competition and you do your thing. For a record like this, it's obviously done in a different manner. Obviously, I can't accommodate every single person who has an inkling of a desire to break this record. One possibility is to have a one-hour competition and the winner of the one-hour competition gets a chance to break the 24-hour record. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi Tyson :-) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> Seriously, why are people claiming that I say all these things? If > you >> review the posts, you'll see that I requested that someone should be >> very serious about breaking this record. One way of proving to us > that >> you're actually serious is to break the record yourself unofficially > at >> home. I feel this is a reasonable request given the number of hours > it >> requires a team of people to ratify the record. > > This is an unreasonable request. There is ONE guy who is gonna solve > cubes for 24 hrs or up to maximum 24 hrs. If someone feels he/she is > up to it then why not go directly for official record? U Tyson would > not be involved. So what does it matter to u ? If the person going for > it has enough scramblers/helpers why should he have to do it twice > (unofficially then officially). I can't see that u Tyson can request > this. It doesn't make sense to me ;-) > > After all the cube is just a puzzle. And if the person fails badly to > beat the current record, so what ?? > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi Stefan, Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't have time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments to other aspects of their lives. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that > if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@...> wrote: >> >> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > up... >> >> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 >> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will >> also add that competitive edge to it. >> >> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to > do >> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > counters >> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for >> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > extent. >> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > to >> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > for >> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > lot >> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself >> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, >> as Per said... >> >> Craig >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

> I don't think the time we volunteered for this event is comparable to > the thousands of hours speedcubers put into speedcubing. Most of those > hours are people practicing on their own time for the sake of personal > improvement. We took several hours out of our daily lives and homework > schedules which we would much rather be spending doing something else, > and got little to no compensation in return. not to be too technical, but did you mean you could have been doing something else instead of would much rather have been doing something else? I mean, if you guys were there, you obviously had some interest in it and weren't forced to do it. or am i mistaken? -- -cubekid

Ok :-) Point taken. You are solely talking about involving people at Caltech for an official attempt. Got it :D So this was a dispute over nothing basically ... But i would still claim regarding the fatigue that 1 hr cubing is not really related to 24 hr cubing. Someone doing worse than another guy for 1 hr cubing may have more stamina for the 24 hr cubing. I don't think that too many ppl are gonna attempt to break the record anyway. And most likely next attempt will be in europe ... ?? Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type > of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't have > time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work > of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > > I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments > to other aspects of their lives. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that > > if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > > provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > >> > >> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > > up... > >> > >> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 > >> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > >> also add that competitive edge to it. > >> > >> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to > > do > >> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > > counters > >> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for > >> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > > extent. > >> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > > to > >> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > > for > >> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > > lot > >> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself > >> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, > >> as Per said... > >> > >> Craig > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people scrambling for you. So, who knows? Cheers! Stefan

I think he had scrambles...take a look at the gallery on www.rubiks.dk ...there's at least one guy scrambling...or solving...or trying...or what? hehe Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people scrambling for you. So, who knows? Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ok, so like at the end... like theres that one algorithm thing that messes up everything at the end... like exept the top, just keep going, and like at the end of it, it will work out really well. otherwise look at jessica fridrich's solution. or jasmine's. by tthe way, you have to hold the cube exactly like it is in the solution book.. like yea... ok.. w/e bye. --- ashvinz11 <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "ashvinz11" > <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > > > > I have the 25th anniversary 3x3 cube. I have used > several solution > > tips and things (for example, the petrus method). > I just can't seem to > > get close. the only time i figured it out was wiht > a solver, so i > > didnt really figure it out. Can anyone help? also, > what are algorithms > > or whatever? Thanks in advance! > > > > > Bump > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

an algorithm is like a function... if the cube is in this place, use this combo to do this move sort of thing... i hope this clears it up.. --- ashvinz11 <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "ashvinz11" > <ashvinz11@...> wrote: > > > > I have the 25th anniversary 3x3 cube. I have used > several solution > > tips and things (for example, the petrus method). > I just can't seem to > > get close. the only time i figured it out was wiht > a solver, so i > > didnt really figure it out. Can anyone help? also, > what are algorithms > > or whatever? Thanks in advance! > > > > > Bump > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

whooppy do. i can solve a cube blindfold... but unfortunatly, i can only do it if the peices are permuted but not oriented. i am working on permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a good site to solving a cube blindfolded thats like really good and stuff... step by step instructions ... i gues... yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... prrrr..... im too cool for y'all!!! i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, its not all one person saying I want to do this... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type > of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't have > time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work > of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > > I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments > to other aspects of their lives. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that > > if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > > provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > >> > >> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > > up... > >> > >> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 > >> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > >> also add that competitive edge to it. > >> > >> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to > > do > >> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > > counters > >> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for > >> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > > extent. > >> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > > to > >> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > > for > >> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > > lot > >> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself > >> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, > >> as Per said... > >> > >> Craig > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we help you? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > its not all one person saying I want to do this... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> Hi Stefan, >> >> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type >> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single >> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't >> have >> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good >> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work >> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. >> >> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life >> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments >> to other aspects of their lives. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: >> >>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that >>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to >>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Stefan >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" >>> <logitewty@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all >>> up... >>>> >>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 >>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will >>>> also add that competitive edge to it. >>>> >>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to >>> do >>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the >>> counters >>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for >>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some >>> extent. >>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but >>> to >>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit >>> for >>>> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a >>> lot >>>> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself >>>> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, >>>> as Per said... >>>> >>>> Craig >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through > the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for > themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing > 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we > help you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > > do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > > you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > > its not all one person saying I want to do this... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Stefan, > >> > >> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type > >> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > >> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > >> have > >> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > >> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work > >> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > >> > >> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > >> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments > >> to other aspects of their lives. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > >> > >>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that > >>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > >>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > >>> > >>> Cheers! > >>> Stefan > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > >>> <logitewty@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > >>> up... > >>>> > >>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 or 3 > >>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > >>>> also add that competitive edge to it. > >>>> > >>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to > >>> do > >>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > >>> counters > >>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for > >>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > >>> extent. > >>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > >>> to > >>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > >>> for > >>>> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > >>> lot > >>>> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself > >>>> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the getgo, > >>>> as Per said... > >>>> > >>>> Craig > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube from FAO Shwartz (with regular colors including a white side), and I have never played with a cube that rotated as smoothly. Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th anniverary edition with a silver side instead of white. This was to be my work practice cube. I excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only to try to turn it and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. Being a newbie and only able to compare the two cubes, I am sorely disappointed with the new cube. Should I return it, or is it worth taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and adding some silicon spray? For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store is not far away. I think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... maybe I just got a bad one? Or do they all need a little work to get them just right? Thanks for the advice.

Why do you need 10 people? You just need people to scramble cubes for you. They can count as well. Basically, you're not willing to put for the effort to even practice something once and you want us to organize everything for you? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do > all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also > it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles > backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except > 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through >> the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for >> themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing >> 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we >> help you? >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: >> >>> I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I >>> do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, >>> you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, >>> its not all one person saying I want to do this... >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Stefan, >>>> >>>> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some >>>> type >>>> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single >>>> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't >>>> have >>>> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good >>>> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial >>>> work >>>> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. >>>> >>>> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life >>>> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's >>>> commitments >>>> to other aspects of their lives. >>>> >>>> Tyson Mao >>>> Astrophysics '06 >>>> California Institute of Technology >>>> >>>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just > that >>>>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to >>>>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> Stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" >>>>> <logitewty@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all >>>>> up... >>>>>> >>>>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 > or 3 >>>>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will >>>>>> also add that competitive edge to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able >>>>>> to >>>>> do >>>>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the >>>>> counters >>>>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit >>>>>> for >>>>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some >>>>> extent. >>>>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but >>>>> to >>>>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit >>>>> for >>>>>> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a >>>>> lot >>>>>> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put >>>>>> yourself >>>>>> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the > getgo, >>>>>> as Per said... >>>>>> >>>>>> Craig >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi Everyone, Firstly I'd like to thank all of the people who were interested in my attempt. I laughed at Stefan's pictures and some of the guesses were close. I would also like to thank the Caltech members who participated in my attempt, and who worked _very_ hard to make this possible. I would like to officially thank the following people: Mark Polinkovsky, Mark Sullivan, Daniel Lo, Shelley Chang, Leyan Lo, Michael White, Michael Inadomi, Eileen Xie, Christopher Kreuger, Matthew Wallisa, Adam Zamora, Tyson Mao, and Chris Hunt. Chris, thanks for your timer- I think we ended up using a combination of Netcube and the Marathon timer... Not sure :). Thanks to my mom who took care of the transportation while I was half asleep. People have asked what it's like- the fatigue, the results, etc. Let's just say my wrist went out within the first 2 hours- so imagine at the 12 hour mark it hurt pretty badly. I guess this can be fixed with a set of super loose cubes. The pain goes away after a very long hour nap though :). I think my arms are twice as strong now that it's over.... I do think I could have done 2001 at 12 hours flat, if I didn't take the 15 minutes of break within the first 12 hours. It's tough- nonstop cubing. The hardest part is keeping the time down with no-preinspection. A little more practice with no inspection would have helped. Nonetheless, it's very good practice for 24 hours straight. Honestly I do think 4000 is possible, with the motivation and training. I agree with the Caltech members that it was tiring for them; some of them were doing homework and were up as long as me (some even more, some less). I respect the fact that people like this exist in the Cubing community to make things like this happen. I did enjoy this, because the Caltech people were pretty cool about it. I see a few people have become interested in this category now, and see it possible to beat. That's really awesome- go for it! If anyone is up for a try at it, I do say that I'll be willing to do this again; actually, I'm up for a dual match. In other words, I'd do the next attempt racing head on (one vs. one) with anyone else who wants to do it. Personally I wouldn't ask Tyson and his crew to do this again- they're all cool, and I respect their successful effort in helping me, but they probably have more important things to do :). So if anyone wants to break 3141, I'm up for a head on one-to-one 24 hour marathon race with someone else setting it up. If you're interested, send me an email. I'm game. By the way, after the 2001st solve at 12 hours and 8 minutes, I took an hour break. By the time I finished, I had about an hour left, so I did have some time left. I do think 3141 is possible to beat, but... If someone else is willing to break it, I'm willing to do a 24 hour marathon again to race with them. Again, if you're interested, email me. I respect that Tyson and his crew are setting up Nationals later this year and that's super duper cool enough for me. And thanks to all the people who personally emailed me about it- that's pretty cool. Thanks to Frank Morris for sending me a cube to practice on before nationals, and thanks to everyone else. If I didn't include your name and you were a part of this, I deeply apologize, and you can email me about it. Besides, the scramblers seemed to have increased their speed as well ;) [namely Matt Wallisa]. Racing the scramblers was a motivation, too, to keep the pace. It worked for many hours... For the caltech people, I do ask one more thing: can you send me the data of my solves vs. time graph you had? I would appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Again, if you're interested in a 24 hour marathon attempt, maybe we can get all the people interested at one time and race head on, so email me. I'm definately game. I completely understand if Tyson's crew can't do it for a year or whatever- it's all good with me, because they worked hard as well, and they shouldn't be "the" people to do this every time. Peace everybody, -Brent Morgan :) --Brent --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i also have a 25th anniversary cube that was very tight the first days or so.... just take the thing apart and spray the center mechanism with silicone, let it dry and put it back together.. you dont have to mess with the other parts. you should also consider buying better stickers as the crappy 25th anniversary ones rip off easily. --- stuarthall_ct <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube > from FAO Shwartz > (with regular colors including a white side), and I > have never played > with a cube that rotated as smoothly. > > Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th anniverary > edition with a > silver side instead of white. This was to be my work > practice cube. I > excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only > to try to turn it > and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. > > Being a newbie and only able to compare the two > cubes, I am sorely > disappointed with the new cube. Should I return it, > or is it worth > taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and > adding some silicon > spray? > > For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store is > not far away. I > think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... > maybe I just got a bad > one? Or do they all need a little work to get them > just right? > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Cut a piece of paper square so that it is roughly the same size as > the center (including the thickness of the walls). Put it over the > opening. Then put the cap on, pressing the paper evenly on all four > sides as you push the cap in. The tension created by wedging the > paper holds the cap in place quite nicely. Be careful if you lube, > not to get the paper wet. Silicon-soaked paper doesn't work as well! > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > The new 2006 ones stay on with a square piece of paper wedged > under > > > the cap. The old ones I always had to glue. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > > > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone find a way to keep them on without gluing them and such? > > > > > > > > > I bought mine at the end of Janurary, and hints in where/how to > wedge > > this paper underneath? > > > Thanks a ton! for the past month I've had tape on them and it was all annoying

Don't try to sand it, I did it to one of my cubes and it totally ruined the whole cube. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, matteo miller-nicolato <maltmn@...> wrote: > > i also have a 25th anniversary cube that was very > tight the first days or so.... just take the thing > apart and spray the center mechanism with silicone, > let it dry and put it back together.. you dont have to > mess with the other parts. you should also consider > buying better stickers as the crappy 25th anniversary > ones rip off easily. > > --- stuarthall_ct <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > > For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube > > from FAO Shwartz > > (with regular colors including a white side), and I > > have never played > > with a cube that rotated as smoothly. > > > > Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th anniverary > > edition with a > > silver side instead of white. This was to be my work > > practice cube. I > > excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only > > to try to turn it > > and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. > > > > Being a newbie and only able to compare the two > > cubes, I am sorely > > disappointed with the new cube. Should I return it, > > or is it worth > > taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and > > adding some silicon > > spray? > > > > For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store is > > not far away. I > > think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... > > maybe I just got a bad > > one? Or do they all need a little work to get them > > just right? > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Hello all. Sorry for being a little late but i couldnt help noticing this comment... On 2/21/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Why is this topic even changed? The comment about "tech schools in > India" was a small sarcastic remark in the middle of a set of > guidelines we would request if someone wants to break the record. Well i am from an "indian tech school" . The Indian Institute of Technology , Bombay. Which i am proud to say was ranked third in teching in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institutes_of_Technology I guess you made this requirement to stop people from having a go at this record but now you cant stop me! :) Anyways if this was meant as a scarcastic comment then i guess its your ignorance. And since now that i am now eligible, i can start practicing for the record :-) Sachin.

I dunno...might as well try considering how stiff some of those 25th ones are. I mean, it's not like you're losing much, considering how bad they can be, and considering how easily replaceable (sp? sorry, it's too late to try to spell) they are. Oh, and get rid of the damn reflective stickers. I had a friend who was solving one of those with a red shirt on...not cool. Any reflective sticker on the F face looked red. They're so distracting. And, even with a non-speedcuber using it, at least three stickers fell off (down to the white thing) within a week. Four days, more like. Really, the stickers are poorly designed. Rubiks should get a truckload of cubesmith stickers. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" <cantspelwright@...> wrote: > > Don't try to sand it, I did it to one of my cubes and it totally > ruined the whole cube. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, matteo miller- nicolato > <maltmn@> wrote: > > > > i also have a 25th anniversary cube that was very > > tight the first days or so.... just take the thing > > apart and spray the center mechanism with silicone, > > let it dry and put it back together.. you dont have to > > mess with the other parts. you should also consider > > buying better stickers as the crappy 25th anniversary > > ones rip off easily. > > > > --- stuarthall_ct <stuart.a.hall@> wrote: > > > > > For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube > > > from FAO Shwartz > > > (with regular colors including a white side), and I > > > have never played > > > with a cube that rotated as smoothly. > > > > > > Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th anniverary > > > edition with a > > > silver side instead of white. This was to be my work > > > practice cube. I > > > excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only > > > to try to turn it > > > and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. > > > > > > Being a newbie and only able to compare the two > > > cubes, I am sorely > > > disappointed with the new cube. Should I return it, > > > or is it worth > > > taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and > > > adding some silicon > > > spray? > > > > > > For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store is > > > not far away. I > > > think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... > > > maybe I just got a bad > > > one? Or do they all need a little work to get them > > > just right? > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >

On Feb 20, 2006, at 16:57, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just that > if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > provide some proof it'll be worth their time? It's so crazy it might just be true!! I don't know that I've ever seen such lack of sense of humor as in this discussion. Was every cuber in the world up for 40 hours straight staring at the webcast and then started posting?? Also, on a cubing note, the ultimate blindfold cube is now on the market: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/02/ touch_based_rubik_cube.html - - - - - - - - - - - - "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." --- Terry Pratchett Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

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yes. They are out of stock at the moment...but this is where you get them: https://secure.rubiks.com/lvl3/index_lvl3.cfm?lan=eng&lvl1=produc&lvl2=rubbrn&lvl3=rbkshp&lvl4=cubasy -Chris On 2/20/06, ary_2155 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > teh Rubiks DIY Kit cubes...tehy are all sold out on teh website at > rubiks.com > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I realised after I had posted that the reason I never noticed the pi connection to my birthday is because in the Uk we write dates logically in increasing order of unit size - days/months/years. Doesn't look quite so pi like then! Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> > wrote: >> >> I consider myself a bit of a geek but I never realised my birthday is pi >> day. > > Not even close to a geek then. > > When I was running up to the last couple of weeks I had a counter running > down to my 1 > billionth birth second. : ) > I'd accounted for the leap seconds etc. but I was only able to nail the > exact time down to > +/- 60 seconds. [Time of birth is only recorded to the minute. : ( ] > I took a lunch break so I could celebrate. > > Also last time I was in NY I arranged to see a friend for my 1/3 century. > (Although this was > just 33 years + 4 months rather than exactly 100/3 years. I was in the UK > at the erxact > time, which was the previous day.) > > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. > Unless you are in the > original sideshow sense! > >>Problem is that outside of this community I don't know anyone who >> would find this the least bit interesting. Well I'll just have to be >> satisfied with my own sense of happiness on this one. >> >> Duncan >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> >> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 >> >> >> > True, though... I think most things "pi" related don't usually round... >> > gosh, what geeks are we debating the rounding of pi! With "pi" day, >> > it's generally on March 14, at 1:59 PM, and well, I guess you could >> > carry it out for more decimal places, and in this case as well, >> > rounding makes no sense. >> > >> > We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step >> > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. >> > >> > Tyson Mao >> > Astrophysics '06 >> > California Institute of Technology >> > >> > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:56 AM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: >> > >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think Brent Morgan is going to stop after 3141 cubes. He'll >> >>> probably >> >>> solve half a cube after that, but exhaustion is definitely setting >> >>> in. >> >>> Tune into the webcast to see the finale! >> >>> >> >>> Tyson Mao >> >>> Astrophysics '06 >> >>> California Institute of Technology >> >>> >> >> >> >> I think that guess came a bit late in the day! >> >> I'm kind of curious, given the subject, why not go for 3142. Rounding >> >> off to 3 decimal >> >> places and multippying by 1000 would give 3142. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

Maybe you haven´t noticed it in the UK but there is an UE standard for writing dates: YYYY-MM-DD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > I realised after I had posted that the reason I never noticed the pi > connection to my birthday is because in the Uk we write dates logically in > increasing order of unit size - days/months/years. Doesn't look quite so pi > like then! > > Duncan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:20 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> I consider myself a bit of a geek but I never realised my birthday is pi > >> day. > > > > Not even close to a geek then. > > > > When I was running up to the last couple of weeks I had a counter running > > down to my 1 > > billionth birth second. : ) > > I'd accounted for the leap seconds etc. but I was only able to nail the > > exact time down to > > +/- 60 seconds. [Time of birth is only recorded to the minute. : ( ] > > I took a lunch break so I could celebrate. > > > > Also last time I was in NY I arranged to see a friend for my 1/3 century. > > (Although this was > > just 33 years + 4 months rather than exactly 100/3 years. I was in the UK > > at the erxact > > time, which was the previous day.) > > > > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. > > Unless you are in the > > original sideshow sense! > > > >>Problem is that outside of this community I don't know anyone who > >> would find this the least bit interesting. Well I'll just have to be > >> satisfied with my own sense of happiness on this one. > >> > >> Duncan > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> > >> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > >> > >> > >> > True, though... I think most things "pi" related don't usually round... > >> > gosh, what geeks are we debating the rounding of pi! With "pi" day, > >> > it's generally on March 14, at 1:59 PM, and well, I guess you could > >> > carry it out for more decimal places, and in this case as well, > >> > rounding makes no sense. > >> > > >> > We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step > >> > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. > >> > > >> > Tyson Mao > >> > Astrophysics '06 > >> > California Institute of Technology > >> > > >> > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:56 AM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > >> > > >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I think Brent Morgan is going to stop after 3141 cubes. He'll > >> >>> probably > >> >>> solve half a cube after that, but exhaustion is definitely setting > >> >>> in. > >> >>> Tune into the webcast to see the finale! > >> >>> > >> >>> Tyson Mao > >> >>> Astrophysics '06 > >> >>> California Institute of Technology > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> I think that guess came a bit late in the day! > >> >> I'm kind of curious, given the subject, why not go for 3142. Rounding > >> >> off to 3 decimal > >> >> places and multippying by 1000 would give 3142. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he > have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's > 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people > scrambling for you. So, who knows? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Well, I can surely say, I will never attempt to break this record. I don't have the motivation for it. I've done 1hr cubing and that made my tired so 24hr is out of the question. But if any of you other fast guys will be going for the record, I wish you good luck. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Ok :-) > > Point taken. You are solely talking about involving people at > Caltech for an official attempt. Got it :D > > So this was a dispute over nothing basically ... > > But i would still claim regarding the fatigue that 1 hr cubing is > not really related to 24 hr cubing. Someone doing worse than another > guy for 1 hr cubing may have more stamina for the 24 hr cubing. > > I don't think that too many ppl are gonna attempt to break the > record anyway. And most likely next attempt will be in europe ... ?? > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tmao@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some > type > > of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > > cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > have > > time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a > good > > shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial > work > > of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > > > > I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > > revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's > commitments > > to other aspects of their lives. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > > > Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just > that > > > if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > > > provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > >> > > >> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it > all > > > up... > > >> > > >> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 > or 3 > > >> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it > will > > >> also add that competitive edge to it. > > >> > > >> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be > able to > > > do > > >> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > > > counters > > >> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit > for > > >> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > > > extent. > > >> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of > this...but > > > to > > >> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting > credit > > > for > > >> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes > a > > > lot > > >> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put > yourself > > >> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the > getgo, > > >> as Per said... > > >> > > >> Craig > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Maybe, a middle-way can be to do an average of 500 or 1000 and see how you're feeling. I'm sure most cubers will be really excausted, but if there is a fast cuber that feels that he/she can go on after that many cubes, he/she maybe can be qualified for breaking the record!? /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do > all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also > it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles > backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except > 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through > > the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for > > themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing > > 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we > > help you? > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > > > I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > > > do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > > > you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > > > its not all one person saying I want to do this... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Stefan, > > >> > > >> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some type > > >> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > > >> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > > >> have > > >> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > > >> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial work > > >> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > > >> > > >> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > > >> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's commitments > > >> to other aspects of their lives. > > >> > > >> Tyson Mao > > >> Astrophysics '06 > > >> California Institute of Technology > > >> > > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > >> > > >>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just > that > > >>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > > >>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > > >>> > > >>> Cheers! > > >>> Stefan > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > >>> <logitewty@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > > >>> up... > > >>>> > > >>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 > or 3 > > >>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > > >>>> also add that competitive edge to it. > > >>>> > > >>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able to > > >>> do > > >>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > > >>> counters > > >>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit for > > >>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > > >>> extent. > > >>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > > >>> to > > >>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > > >>> for > > >>>> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > > >>> lot > > >>>> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put yourself > > >>>> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the > getgo, > > >>>> as Per said... > > >>>> > > >>>> Craig > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Anssi, Why so silent? Are you ill? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Finnish cubing Yes, but I'm saving my feetcube for competition.

Don't you think that 24 hours is too much (competitor + organization)? Unless you need to ruin your health, I feel that a 1-hour cube marathon could be a good format. It would require fewer people / competitor, allowing more competitors to race at the same time. It could even be a side event in a competition, media would like it. Gilles.

Yes.. I like the idea of having competetive marathons, Gilles. It will take al lot of organisation, though, so this is only a good idea if a lot of people like the idea. But I would love to try it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Don't you think that 24 hours is too much (competitor + organization)? > Unless you need to ruin your health, I feel that a 1-hour cube marathon > could be a good format. > It would require fewer people / competitor, allowing more competitors to > race at the same time. > It could even be a side event in a competition, media would like it. > > Gilles. >

You said that you needed 10 people to do this...If I were to do it unofficially then I would need 10 people to do the same duties... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Why do you need 10 people? You just need people to scramble cubes for > you. They can count as well. > > Basically, you're not willing to put for the effort to even practice > something once and you want us to organize everything for you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do > > all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also > > it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles > > backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except > > 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through > >> the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for > >> themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing > >> 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we > >> help you? > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > >> > >>> I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > >>> do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > >>> you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > >>> its not all one person saying I want to do this... > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Stefan, > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some > >>>> type > >>>> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > >>>> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > >>>> have > >>>> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > >>>> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial > >>>> work > >>>> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > >>>> > >>>> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > >>>> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's > >>>> commitments > >>>> to other aspects of their lives. > >>>> > >>>> Tyson Mao > >>>> Astrophysics '06 > >>>> California Institute of Technology > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just > > that > >>>>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > >>>>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers! > >>>>> Stefan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > >>>>> <logitewty@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > >>>>> up... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 > > or 3 > >>>>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > >>>>>> also add that competitive edge to it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able > >>>>>> to > >>>>> do > >>>>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > >>>>> counters > >>>>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > >>>>> extent. > >>>>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > >>>>> to > >>>>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > >>>>> for > >>>>>> it. Its a good idea, but unreasonable. As you said this takes a > >>>>> lot > >>>>>> of time to organize/do, so why do it unofficially, and put > >>>>>> yourself > >>>>>> through it twice, and not go for it officially right from the > > getgo, > >>>>>> as Per said... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Craig > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Maybe you haven´t noticed it in the UK but there is an UE standard for writing dates: YYYY-MM-DD. Have missed out on that, but I see that it is consistent with the UE standard for writing EU. Mike

Ah, yes, I've found it now. For the benefit of any other unenlightened Brits, this is good old EN 28601. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > Maybe you haven´t noticed it in the UK but there is an UE standard > for writing dates: YYYY-MM-DD. > > Have missed out on that, but I see that it is consistent with the UE > standard for writing EU. > > Mike >

The age! The age! (Somebody said he was "nitpicker"). ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Maybe you haven´t noticed it in the UK but there is an UE standard for writing dates: YYYY-MM-DD. Have missed out on that, but I see that it is consistent with the UE standard for writing EU. Mike Yahoo! Groups Links

This discussion is getting quite annoying, and i dont get the problems here. A few ppl has put a lot of effort into helping someone attempt a cube record, and that is great. It was a great achievement, and everyone applaud the record, and the helpers, right ? The record was a lot of hard work, both for Brent and for all the ppl helping. Can everyone agree on that one also ? If any of you were to attempt to run a marathon, 42 K, they would probably train a bit and attempt to run atleast 20 K as a preparation for the marathon, right ? So then why is it so hard to grasp the concept that in order to attempt a 24 hours cube marathon, one try to cube for quite a few hours, preferably 12 hours to see if they have the stamina. Of course if would be nice to have a few scramblers, but as i see it, just solving and scrambling the cubes yourself for 12 hours should give you a good idea if you are able to do a genuine record attempt. And I have always regarded the cube community as a lot of open minded friendly ppl, so I just cant see why this discussion has escalated this way. Regards Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av Craig Bouchard Sendt: 21. februar 2006 13:39 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) You said that you needed 10 people to do this...If I were to do it unofficially then I would need 10 people to do the same duties... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Why do you need 10 people? You just need people to scramble cubes for > you. They can count as well. > > Basically, you're not willing to put for the effort to even practice > something once and you want us to organize everything for you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do > > all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also > > it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles > > backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except > > 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through > >> the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for > >> themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing > >> 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we > >> help you? > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > >> > >>> I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > >>> do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > >>> you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > >>> its not all one person saying I want to do this... > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Stefan, > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some > >>>> type > >>>> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > >>>> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > >>>> have > >>>> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > >>>> shot at doing this. 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > The age! The age! (Somebody said he was "nitpicker"). Sadly, that's undeniable: I found a headlouse in my hair only the other day. (True.)

Have you tried NITMIX? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > The age! The age! (Somebody said he was "nitpicker"). Sadly, that's undeniable: I found a headlouse in my hair only the other day. (True.) Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Have you tried NITMIX? No, I have another product at hand (also good) which I recently treated a daughter with. "My" louse was picked up then, no doubt.

I traced the center cap on notebook paper and cut that out. The paper square is slightly larger than the center cap, as tends to happen wh en you trace something. Then I cut the corners off the paper square to make an octagon. This was very quick and has worked well. I think a thicker paper would have worked better, as the caps do sometimes pop off if I drop the cube. But they stay on just great otherwise, and I can easily take them off with my fingernails if I need to adjust the springs. On 2/20/06, cantspelwright <cantspelwright@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > Cut a piece of paper square so that it is roughly the same size as > > the center (including the thickness of the walls). Put it over the > > opening. Then put the cap on, pressing the paper evenly on all four > > sides as you push the cap in. The tension created by wedging the > > paper holds the cap in place quite nicely. Be careful if you lube, > > not to get the paper wet. Silicon-soaked paper doesn't work as well! > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The new 2006 ones stay on with a square piece of paper wedged > > under > > > > the cap. The old ones I always had to glue. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cantspelwright" > > > > <cantspelwright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Anyone find a way to keep them on without gluing them and such? > > > > > > > > > > > > I bought mine at the end of Janurary, and hints in where/how to > > wedge > > > this paper underneath? > > > > > > Thanks a ton! for the past month I've had tape on them and it was all > annoying > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think the comparison between standard and cube marathon is not correct. If you run 20 or 42 km, you do it in daytime when you brain is fresh (if it is relevant). If you cube 12 h, your brain is (more or less) fresh (which Is relevent). But what will happen after 16-17 h? You will never get to know, if you so repeat your 12-hour training a 100 times. I think One method to get an answer could be the following: Live and act as usually during daytime. After 15-16 hours you get tired and will go to bed. Don´t! Start cubing and go on for some 8 hours. Now you´ll get an approximate answer on how you would react in the end of a cube marathon. R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terje Kristensen" <terje.kristensen@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: SV: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) This discussion is getting quite annoying, and i dont get the problems here. A few ppl has put a lot of effort into helping someone attempt a cube record, and that is great. It was a great achievement, and everyone applaud the record, and the helpers, right ? The record was a lot of hard work, both for Brent and for all the ppl helping. Can everyone agree on that one also ? If any of you were to attempt to run a marathon, 42 K, they would probably train a bit and attempt to run atleast 20 K as a preparation for the marathon, right ? So then why is it so hard to grasp the concept that in order to attempt a 24 hours cube marathon, one try to cube for quite a few hours, preferably 12 hours to see if they have the stamina. Of course if would be nice to have a few scramblers, but as i see it, just solving and scrambling the cubes yourself for 12 hours should give you a good idea if you are able to do a genuine record attempt. And I have always regarded the cube community as a lot of open minded friendly ppl, so I just cant see why this discussion has escalated this way. Regards Terje -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] På vegne av Craig Bouchard Sendt: 21. februar 2006 13:39 Til: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Emne: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) You said that you needed 10 people to do this...If I were to do it unofficially then I would need 10 people to do the same duties... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Why do you need 10 people? You just need people to scramble cubes for > you. They can count as well. > > Basically, you're not willing to put for the effort to even practice > something once and you want us to organize everything for you? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:50 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > But even in the unofficial setting you need 10 people...You can't do > > all the scrambles yourself, and still have the same effect, and also > > it may be considered that you are cheating and doing the scrambles > > backwards...doing it unofficially and officially are the same, except > > 1 is recognized, and the other isn't... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> I guess the way I feel is that people should be willing to go through > >> the inconvenience of trying the record in an unofficial setting for > >> themselves before bothering an entire cubing team and inconveniencing > >> 10 people. If you aren't willing to put in the effort, why should we > >> help you? > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > >> > >>> I agree 100%, not just anyone should prance around trying this, but I > >>> do disagree that people should have to do it before hand...Of course, > >>> you guys can use your discretion on who you will let do it too...so, > >>> its not all one person saying I want to do this... > >>> > >>> Craig > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Stefan, > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, that's basically the idea. I mean... we have to have some > >>>> type > >>>> of standard right? We don't have enough time to give every single > >>>> cube-solve out there a chance at this record. We especially don't > >>>> have > >>>> time to let people "try it" just for fun, if they don't have a good > >>>> shot at doing this. A record attempt like this is not a trivial > >>>> work > >>>> of organization for us and is very disruptive to our lives. > >>>> > >>>> I agree, world records are meant to be broken. But nobody's life > >>>> revolves around cubing, and we need to respect everyone's > >>>> commitments > >>>> to other aspects of their lives. > >>>> > >>>> Tyson Mao > >>>> Astrophysics '06 > >>>> California Institute of Technology > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 20, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Could it be what Tyson and Shelley actually tried to say is just > > that > >>>>> if you want *them* to host your record attempt then you need to > >>>>> provide some proof it'll be worth their time? > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers! > >>>>> Stefan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > >>>>> <logitewty@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Well, I've sat back and waited to post, and I'll try to sum it all > >>>>> up... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Why not get multiple people to try it at the same time...Like 2 > > or 3 > >>>>>> people, as long as they supply the scramblers (as you say) it will > >>>>>> also add that competitive edge to it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And about the doing it Unofficially first...You wouldn't be able > >>>>>> to > >>>>> do > >>>>>> this, because, as you said, it would take the scramblers, the > >>>>> counters > >>>>>> and everything for officially, you just wouldn't get the credit > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> it...I can understand why you would say this, but only to some > >>>>> extent. > >>>>>> Maybe try a few hours, or something along the lines of this...but > >>>>> to > >>>>>> ask someone to do the 24 hours on their own without getting credit > >>>>> for > >>>>>> it. 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Sorry, I´m not an expert in this field. Our little friends seem to have been exterminated here in the middle forties. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Have you tried NITMIX? No, I have another product at hand (also good) which I recently treated a daughter with. "My" louse was picked up then, no doubt. Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Our little friends seem to have been exterminated here in the middle forties. I have a field guide on insects which tells me that headlice are "rare" in the UK. So much for the fieldguide -- the author should visit a British primary school! My mother (now 75) was checked for them regularly (at school and at home), but says that she never knew anyone who had them. Nowadays there is less awareness of the problem (no checking at school, AFAIK), even though most children get infested at some point: all 3 of mine have had them. So: the headlouse is possibly extinct in Sweden, but thriving in the UK. Does anyone know what the situation is elsewhere in Europe? Mike

I must say I was a bit axaggerating. In any case we have got them back - as immigrants (on immigrants). ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] (off topic) P. humanus capitis -- was 3.14159... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Our little friends seem to have been exterminated here in the middle forties. I have a field guide on insects which tells me that headlice are "rare" in the UK. So much for the fieldguide -- the author should visit a British primary school! My mother (now 75) was checked for them regularly (at school and at home), but says that she never knew anyone who had them. Nowadays there is less awareness of the problem (no checking at school, AFAIK), even though most children get infested at some point: all 3 of mine have had them. So: the headlouse is possibly extinct in Sweden, but thriving in the UK. Does anyone know what the situation is elsewhere in Europe? Mike Yahoo! Groups Links

That's a good idea, Gilles. Maybe when I get a little faster (and stronger...and older...and richer) and go to competitions I'll take part on that kind of event. Pedro Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> escreveu: Yes.. I like the idea of having competetive marathons, Gilles. It will take al lot of organisation, though, so this is only a good idea if a lot of people like the idea. But I would love to try it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Don't you think that 24 hours is too much (competitor + organization)? > Unless you need to ruin your health, I feel that a 1-hour cube marathon > could be a good format. > It would require fewer people / competitor, allowing more competitors to > race at the same time. > It could even be a side event in a competition, media would like it. > > Gilles. > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@...m Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello guys, I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... In my view one of the best updates ever, especially because there are not somany websites that explain how to use commutators to solve puzzles. I think my tutorial is quite easy to read, especially for experienced cubers. www.solvethecube.co.uk Enjoy! - Joël.

Tyson suggested this format. Proposing such a race in all competitions for many competitors is not possible. Too many people would be required. But in a big competition, if let's say 3 top speed-cubers with about the same skills want to race each others and break records, that would be a nice show. I'm talking about this because 1 hour rewards consistency, but with a much narrower time frame, whereas 24 hours is more about stamina, and that's not what I prefer personally (I don't read the Guiness book). Another kind of race would be cool and easier to organize for a larger number of competitors. 10 (or at least 5) identically scrambled cubes per competitor. Standard timing, no-inspection protocol, with 1 cover on the cubes before the timer starts. Gilles. PS: We would need a scrambling machine! An army of DeepCube(TM) robots! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > That's a good idea, Gilles. Maybe when I get a little faster (and stronger...and older...and richer) and go to competitions I'll take part on that kind of event. > > Pedro > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> escreveu: > Yes.. I like the idea of having competetive marathons, Gilles. It will > take al lot of organisation, though, so this is only a good idea if a > lot of people like the idea. But I would love to try it. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > Don't you think that 24 hours is too much (competitor + > organization)? > > Unless you need to ruin your health, I feel that a 1-hour cube > marathon > > could be a good format. > > It would require fewer people / competitor, allowing more > competitors to > > race at the same time. > > It could even be a side event in a competition, media would like it. > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Very cool tutorial. Btw, I just started learning OLL and found that your OLL page is very nice and actually enabled me to learn a lot faster the algorithms! I would recommend it to anyone who wants to learn a 2-look LL. Nice job at keeping your site updated. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hello guys, > > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... In > my view one of the best updates ever, especially because there are not > somany websites that explain how to use commutators to solve puzzles. > I think my tutorial is quite easy to read, especially for experienced > cubers. > > www.solvethecube.co.uk > > Enjoy! > > - Joël. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, matteo miller- nicolato <maltmn@...> wrote: > > whooppy do. i can solve a cube blindfold... but > unfortunatly, i can only do it if the peices are > permuted but not oriented. i am working on > permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a good site > to solving a cube blindfolded thats like really good > and stuff... step by step instructions ... i gues... > yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... prrrr..... > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato > This post got progressively more weird as I read through it, but I can confirm that this means you can't solve the cube blindfolded in general, but only a small subset of cases. On the other hand, your post seems to indicate you may have a good chance of becoming the first lycanthrope to solve the cube blindfolded. I could point you to some sites that would help you with the orientation, but you might be too cool for them. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Orientation doesn't exist... If you use Stefan Pochmann's BLD method: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3/ I think solving orientation and permutation at the same time is the future of BLD cubing, btw. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, matteo miller- nicolato <maltmn@...> wrote: > > whooppy do. i can solve a cube blindfold... but > unfortunatly, i can only do it if the peices are > permuted but not oriented. i am working on > permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a good site > to solving a cube blindfolded thats like really good > and stuff... step by step instructions ... i gues... > yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... prrrr..... > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Orientation doesn't exist... If you use Stefan Pochmann's BLD method: Well, it does exist, though only for the already correctly permuted cubies. But that guy is too cool for me and my method anyway. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? You can see he had blue, orange and white on the back face here: http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/brent_counter.JPG So if he used standard BOY then I'd say cube orientation was not fixed at all. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Orientation doesn't exist... If you use Stefan Pochmann's BLD > method: > > Well, it does exist, though only for the already correctly permuted > cubies. > > But that guy is too cool for me and my method anyway. > > Cheers! > Stefan > Well.. For the correctly permuted pieces: you can also think of a twisted corner as a three-cycle of stickers... If you use the 'pure' version of your method ;). - Joël.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a good site > > yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... prrrr..... > > your post seems to indicate you may have a good > chance of becoming the first lycanthrope to solve the cube > blindfolded. I'm sorry, but lycanthropes don't purr or miaow: they /howl/ when the moon is full, which it isn't right now. But this might instead be a friend or associate of the puzzling Mr Dennis Abner: http://tinyurl.com/9869a I don't know whether Mr Abner can solve BLD. Mike

I just got a 1980 Ideal Hollis cube off of eBay for $2, but I just realized that on speedcubing.com that is a cube NOT recommended for speedcubing...why? bad quality? no screw? etc? I don't have it yet, I will have the cube soon. Anyone no why the bad recommendation?

Hey Rune- No, the cube had to be random every single time, so each cube was a different color on top each time. -Brent M Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he > have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's > 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people > scrambling for you. So, who knows? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- :) --Brent --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I see. Just one question. Don´t you think you started in too high a speed? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Morgan" <brentmorganmaster@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) Hey Rune- No, the cube had to be random every single time, so each cube was a different color on top each time. -Brent M Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he > have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's > 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people > scrambling for you. So, who knows? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- :) --Brent --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hello guys, > > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... Hi Joel, very nice, I like it a lot. But of course I have to write some suggestions/comments anyway :-) - To show the commutator structure and the "little overlapping" rule I like to compare "shoe off, sock off, shoe on, sock on" with "shoe off glove off, shoe on, glove on". - On the cube the "little overlapping" becomes nicely visible if you take the T-perm as P, and for Q first use D, then L, then U. Shows how larger overlap results in larger effects. - Example 1: (B L2 B' R B L2 B' R') has the nice alternative solution (R' U L' U' R U L U'). - Can you give unique numbers to all examples to make referring to them easier? - What's (P = R'UL' and Q = U') supposed to do? - For the 4x4 applets, I'm sure there's a way to turn the algorithm display off, but I don't remember how right now. - (P = l r' u2 l' r') should be (P = l r' u2 l' r) - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice turns? For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. Also results in a nice alg with setup move R: (R U R' U' M' U R U' r'). Inner slice turns for Q is also very helpful for 4x4. - Gosh did I have a sunburn. Cheers! Stefan

Also, Brent, what was your goal before you started? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > I see. Just one question. Don´t you think you started in too high a speed? > Rune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brent Morgan" <brentmorganmaster@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > > > Hey Rune- No, the cube had to be random every single time, so each cube was a different color on top each time. > -Brent M > > Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top?

A chosen snapshot? The combination here excludes even the possibility of "one of two certain complement colours on top". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Brent's 24 hours --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? You can see he had blue, orange and white on the back face here: http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/brent_counter.JPG So if he used standard BOY then I'd say cube orientation was not fixed at all. Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Links

Hey Stefan, Thanks! I guess you're right about most things.. I'll try to make the adjustments soon. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... > > Hi Joel, > > very nice, I like it a lot. But of course I have to write some > suggestions/comments anyway :-) > > - To show the commutator structure and the "little overlapping" rule I > like to compare "shoe off, sock off, shoe on, sock on" with "shoe off > glove off, shoe on, glove on". > > - On the cube the "little overlapping" becomes nicely visible if you > take the T-perm as P, and for Q first use D, then L, then U. Shows how > larger overlap results in larger effects. > > - Example 1: (B L2 B' R B L2 B' R') has the nice alternative solution > (R' U L' U' R U L U'). > > - Can you give unique numbers to all examples to make referring to > them easier? > > - What's (P = R'UL' and Q = U') supposed to do? > > - For the 4x4 applets, I'm sure there's a way to turn the algorithm > display off, but I don't remember how right now. > > - (P = l r' u2 l' r') should be (P = l r' u2 l' r) > > - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice turns? > For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. Also results in a nice alg with > setup move R: (R U R' U' M' U R U' r'). Inner slice turns for Q is > also very helpful for 4x4. > > - Gosh did I have a sunburn. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I don't think so... I was going relativity smooth/slow as it was. I just went slower as time went on :-p... -Brent M Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: I see. Just one question. Don´t you think you started in too high a speed? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Morgan" <brentmorganmaster@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) Hey Rune- No, the cube had to be random every single time, so each cube was a different color on top each time. -Brent M Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@....se> wrote: How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:24 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he > have scramblers? Or did he scramble himself? Cause seriously, that's > 39.96 seconds per cube which would be quite slow if you had people > scrambling for you. So, who knows? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- :) --Brent --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- :) --Brent --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was thinking of 4001 when i started. For the first 8 hours or so, i was at the rate of doing 4100-4200 or something... but when i hit the 2001 mark at 8 minutes slow of 12 hours, then i decided to change my plans... -Brent M Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Also, Brent, what was your goal before you started? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > I see. Just one question. Don´t you think you started in too high a speed? > Rune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brent Morgan" <brentmorganmaster@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Homeworks at Caltech (was 24-hour policies) > > > Hey Rune- No, the cube had to be random every single time, so each cube was a different color on top each time. > -Brent M > > Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- :) --Brent --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, GameOfDeath2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a good site > > > yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... prrrr..... > > > > your post seems to indicate you may have a good > > chance of becoming the first lycanthrope to solve the cube > > blindfolded. > > I'm sorry, but lycanthropes don't purr or miaow: they /howl/ when the > moon is full, which it isn't right now. > I was referring to a werecat not a werewolf though. > But this might instead be a friend or associate of the puzzling Mr > Dennis Abner: http://tinyurl.com/9869a > > I don't know whether Mr Abner can solve BLD. > > Mike >

I have a problem that I have to solve that's very similar (I assume) to solving a rubik's cube. It's a finite state machine with a large number of states, a few number of possible moves, and one solved state. It has considerably fewer than a rubik's cube though, only 3^16. Initally I used a depth first search, and I don't know how long God's algorithm for this will be, but from empirical tests, it's more than I can solve efficiently. I've been looking all over the internet to try to find a clear explaination of the algorithm used to solve the cube. All I can find is that it is a heuristic algorithm, nothing more. If anyone knows how to implement this algorithm or can direct me to a page that can tell me, that would be great. -Ben.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > [...] > - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice turns? > For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. > [...] U2 M U2' M' ?

im just a fuzzy wiw kitty yea fuzzy mmhhmmmmm prrrr rowr meow? ftttt! prrrr...... my cat plays the guitar. im just too cool for y'all, yup... --- GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > GameOfDeath2 > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > permutation.. meow... can anyone give me a > good site > > > > yea.... meow... im kinda shy too... meow... > prrrr..... > > > > > > your post seems to indicate you may have a good > > > chance of becoming the first lycanthrope to > solve the cube > > > blindfolded. > > > > I'm sorry, but lycanthropes don't purr or miaow: > they /howl/ when the > > moon is full, which it isn't right now. > > > > I was referring to a werecat not a werewolf though. > > > But this might instead be a friend or associate of > the puzzling Mr > > Dennis Abner: http://tinyurl.com/9869a > > > > I don't know whether Mr Abner can solve BLD. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > [...] > > - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice turns? > > For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. > > [...] > > U2 M U2' M' ? > Yeah I know, but that one doesn't really fit into Joel's "single piece overlap" idea that runs throughout his tutorial... Cheers! Stefan

I did think about adding that one... But a lot of people will probably find that one by themselves... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice > turns? > > > For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. > > > [...] > > > > U2 M U2' M' ? > > > > Yeah I know, but that one doesn't really fit into Joel's "single piece > overlap" idea that runs throughout his tutorial... > > Cheers! > Stefan >

On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 05:19:54PM -0000, Jo�l van Noort wrote: > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... In > my view one of the best updates ever, especially because there are not > somany websites that explain how to use commutators to solve puzzles. > I think my tutorial is quite easy to read, especially for experienced > cubers. Regarding the 9 basic corner commutators and their conjugates, they are also described here, but with a different mental process: http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~rheise/cube/step3.html The goal was to develop a thought process (or a way of thinking) that could be effective in speedcubing. There is more I could write now, although I haven't really updated the page since first publishing it. The site as a whole describes a method for solving the cube "move-by-move", i.e. without any fixed or memorised sequences, that also achieves a low move count and supports fast recognition. It's a rather long term development, but I hope that it will pay off in the end. Ryan

Hi All :-) Personally i think only timed solving of 42 cubes, consecutively without inspection, should be called cubing marathon because the number 42 is involved. 42 cubes to be solved ;-) Those other 2 categories should simply be called 1hr cubing and 24 hr cubing, so as not to confuse these 3 very different categories of cubing. Then there could also be 5 hr cubing, 12 hr cubing. So easy system :D Just my 2 NOK :-P -Per- > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > Tyson suggested this format. > Proposing such a race in all competitions for many competitors is not > possible. Too many people would be required. > But in a big competition, if let's say 3 top speed-cubers with about > the same skills want to race each others and break records, that would > be a nice show. > > I'm talking about this because 1 hour rewards consistency, but with a > much narrower time frame, whereas 24 hours is more about stamina, and > that's not what I prefer personally (I don't read the Guiness book). > > Another kind of race would be cool and easier to organize for a larger > number of competitors. 10 (or at least 5) identically scrambled cubes > per competitor. Standard timing, no-inspection protocol, with 1 cover > on the cubes before the timer starts. > > Gilles. > > PS: We would need a scrambling machine! An army of DeepCube(TM) robots! > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > That's a good idea, Gilles. Maybe when I get a little faster (and > stronger...and older...and richer) and go to competitions I'll take > part on that kind of event. > > > > Pedro > > > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@> escreveu: > > Yes.. I like the idea of having competetive marathons, Gilles. It > will > > take al lot of organisation, though, so this is only a good idea if a > > lot of people like the idea. But I would love to try it. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Don't you think that 24 hours is too much (competitor + > > organization)? > > > Unless you need to ruin your health, I feel that a 1-hour cube > > marathon > > > could be a good format. > > > It would require fewer people / competitor, allowing more > > competitors to > > > race at the same time. > > > It could even be a side event in a competition, media would like it. > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Looks interesting Ryan... It would also be cool to have a 'thought proces' that will make this usefull in BLD cubing.. In Stefan Pochmann's method, I can often succesfully apply commutators, solving 2 edges (orientation and permutation) at once in a lot of cases. For corners however, it is much harder... - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 05:19:54PM -0000, Joël van Noort wrote: > > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... In > > my view one of the best updates ever, especially because there are not > > somany websites that explain how to use commutators to solve puzzles. > > I think my tutorial is quite easy to read, especially for experienced > > cubers. > > Regarding the 9 basic corner commutators and their conjugates, they are > also described here, but with a different mental process: > > http://www.progsoc.uts.edu.au/~rheise/cube/step3.html > > The goal was to develop a thought process (or a way of thinking) that > could be effective in speedcubing. There is more I could write now, > although I haven't really updated the page since first publishing it. > > The site as a whole describes a method for solving the cube > "move-by-move", i.e. without any fixed or memorised sequences, that also > achieves a low move count and supports fast recognition. It's a rather > long term development, but I hope that it will pay off in the end. > > Ryan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > I have a problem that I have to solve that's very similar (I assume) to > solving a rubik's cube. > > It's a finite state machine with a large number of states, a few number > of possible moves, and one solved state. It has considerably fewer than > a rubik's cube though, only 3^16. > > Initally I used a depth first search, and I don't know how long God's > algorithm for this will be, but from empirical tests, it's more than I > can solve efficiently. > > I've been looking all over the internet to try to find a clear > explaination of the algorithm used to solve the cube. All I can find > is that it is a heuristic algorithm, nothing more. > > If anyone knows how to implement this algorithm or can direct me to a > page that can tell me, that would be great. > > -Ben. Unless your task is really ugly or your computer is from stone age, I'd suggest using breadth first search. Cheers! Stefan

Just got my 4x4 minicube and megaminx from mefferts today. 4x4 is difficult to move... megaminx is very hard to move, gets stuck very easily, and is extremely prone to popping pieces constantly... my question: is this normal? will it improve, and to what extent do I just need to "get used to" these different puzzles? Thanks! David ps-where's an easy solution to the megaminx? my friend mixed it up and now i can't solve it.. was able to do one layer only -_-; thanks --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

See my recent posts (and Stefan's helpful replies) about the Megaminx mech. I have links to photos. Once you take it apart, you will probably notice that some centers are looser than others. You can remove the center cap and adjust the screw. That should fix the popping. Then go ahead and lube both puzzles with just a few drops of silicone oil (or spray if you prefer). The Eastsheen 4x4x4 (Meffert Mini) mechanism is less forgiving than a Rubik 4x4x4 for alignment, but will turn very smoothly when lubed. I can solve it in about the same time (Rubik or Eastsheen) but you do have to adapt your finger technique slightly to each version. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Just got my 4x4 minicube and megaminx from mefferts today. 4x4 is difficult to move... megaminx is very hard to move, gets stuck very easily, and is extremely prone to popping pieces constantly... > > my question: is this normal? will it improve, and to what extent do I just need to "get used to" these different puzzles? > > Thanks! > > David > > ps-where's an easy solution to the megaminx? my friend mixed it up and now i can't solve it.. was able to do one layer only -_-; thanks > > > --------------------------------- > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did he > have scramblers? I remembered Jess isn't dead either, so I emailed him and he said a friend scrambled for him. Now I've asked for the reason he was so much slower than expected. Cheers! Stefan

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possibly bias. well, it looks like hungarian cubes are best, but heck, whatever. these can't be that bad. it seems the regular rubik's cubes are getting progressively cheaper and crappier, but some that I bought a few months ago work fairly well.. and of course some don't.. just my two cents.. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ericdstalter" <ericdstalter@...> wrote: > > I just got a 1980 Ideal Hollis cube off of eBay for $2, but I just > realized that on speedcubing.com that is a cube NOT recommended for > speedcubing...why? bad quality? no screw? etc? I don't have it yet, I > will have the cube soon. Anyone no why the bad recommendation? >

I honestly think that the answer is just fatigue. Also, Jess didn't really have much motivation because there was no previous record. Pushing yourself through that type of exhaustion without motivation is very difficult. As any person who runs track or cross-country or any type of racing sport, at the end when the body is completely filled with lactic acid, you're not really going to move any faster unless someone is cashing you down or unless you're trying to pass someone. Without the motivation, it's hard to justify in your own mind the pain that you're feeling. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 21, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: >> >> Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did > he >> have scramblers? > > I remembered Jess isn't dead either, so I emailed him and he said a > friend scrambled for him. Now I've asked for the reason he was so much > slower than expected. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

XC =D anyway.. well said =) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I honestly think that the answer is just fatigue. Also, Jess didn't > really have much motivation because there was no previous record. > Pushing yourself through that type of exhaustion without motivation is > very difficult. As any person who runs track or cross-country or any > type of racing sport, at the end when the body is completely filled > with lactic acid, you're not really going to move any faster unless > someone is cashing you down or unless you're trying to pass someone. > Without the motivation, it's hard to justify in your own mind the pain > that you're feeling. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 21, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > >> > >> Question about Jess Bonde's 2000 cubes in 22 hours 16 minutes: Did > > he > >> have scramblers? > > > > I remembered Jess isn't dead either, so I emailed him and he said a > > friend scrambled for him. Now I've asked for the reason he was so much > > slower than expected. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The video of new World Record (11.13). http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 :p

Forget this post, please! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rune Wesström" <rune.wesstrom@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Brent's 24 hours A chosen snapshot? The combination here excludes even the possibility of "one of two certain complement colours on top". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Brent's 24 hours --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > How was it, could Brent require a certain colour on the top? You can see he had blue, orange and white on the back face here: http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/brent_counter.JPG So if he used standard BOY then I'd say cube orientation was not fixed at all. Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links

Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we have it from at least two angles now. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > :p > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we have > it from at least two angles now. Hi, Tyson where can I get the video from other angle? could u tell me? thanks a lot!! PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > > > :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Any way to download it? It doesn't seem to be a durable link. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "cwlin1010" <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > :p >

Yeah, I kept on trying to find a link to download it, but there wasn't a "Save as..." on the movie. :\

True, some of the 2005 cubes were pretty irregular right out of the box. However, the very latest 2006 DIY cubes are probably some of the nicest parts ever manufactured. So I say they're finally getting better. Hope those parts soon make their way into Hasbro cubes. As for the 1980s cubes, they varied in quality also. Most likely it will have flat centers, so depending on your twisting style that will have implications for speedcubing. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > whatever. these can't be that bad. it seems the regular rubik's cubes > are getting progressively cheaper and crappier, but some that I bought > a few months ago work fairly well.. and of course some don't..

Here's a downloadable link for the clip in Windows Media format: http://tinyurl.com/gls8n Tyson, can you share the other angle? You mentioned before that the clip was temporarily inaccessible... was that situation ever fixed? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we have > it from at least two angles now. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > > > :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Now that is truly illogical. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rune Wesstr�m" <rune.wesstrom@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 Maybe you haven�t noticed it in the UK but there is an UE standard for writing dates: YYYY-MM-DD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Dicks" <duncan@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > I realised after I had posted that the reason I never noticed the pi > connection to my birthday is because in the Uk we write dates logically in > increasing order of unit size - days/months/years. Doesn't look quite so > pi > like then! > > Duncan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:20 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Duncan Dicks" > > <duncan@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> I consider myself a bit of a geek but I never realised my birthday is > >> pi > >> day. > > > > Not even close to a geek then. > > > > When I was running up to the last couple of weeks I had a counter > > running > > down to my 1 > > billionth birth second. : ) > > I'd accounted for the leap seconds etc. but I was only able to nail the > > exact time down to > > +/- 60 seconds. [Time of birth is only recorded to the minute. : ( ] > > I took a lunch break so I could celebrate. > > > > Also last time I was in NY I arranged to see a friend for my 1/3 > > century. > > (Although this was > > just 33 years + 4 months rather than exactly 100/3 years. I was in the > > UK > > at the erxact > > time, which was the previous day.) > > > > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. > > Unless you are in the > > original sideshow sense! > > > >>Problem is that outside of this community I don't know anyone who > >> would find this the least bit interesting. Well I'll just have to be > >> satisfied with my own sense of happiness on this one. > >> > >> Duncan > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> > >> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: 3.14159265358979 > >> > >> > >> > True, though... I think most things "pi" related don't usually > >> > round... > >> > gosh, what geeks are we debating the rounding of pi! With "pi" day, > >> > it's generally on March 14, at 1:59 PM, and well, I guess you could > >> > carry it out for more decimal places, and in this case as well, > >> > rounding makes no sense. > >> > > >> > We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step > >> > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. > >> > > >> > Tyson Mao > >> > Astrophysics '06 > >> > California Institute of Technology > >> > > >> > On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:56 AM, GameOfDeath2 wrote: > >> > > >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> I think Brent Morgan is going to stop after 3141 cubes. He'll > >> >>> probably > >> >>> solve half a cube after that, but exhaustion is definitely setting > >> >>> in. > >> >>> Tune into the webcast to see the finale! > >> >>> > >> >>> Tyson Mao > >> >>> Astrophysics '06 > >> >>> California Institute of Technology > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> I think that guess came a bit late in the day! > >> >> I'm kind of curious, given the subject, why not go for 3142. > >> >> Rounding > >> >> off to 3 decimal > >> >> places and multippying by 1000 would give 3142. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

> We actually had Brent do the F2L on the cube. Given it's a 7 step > situation, it comes out to about .59... I think? Eh... I'm not sure. I just saw this buried in all the pi talk. If you do the cross and 3 pairs, it comes out to 0.57. So if Brent looked ahead to the final pair (but didn't make any moves) that would make it precisely 0.59. ;-) Chris

I lent my 4x4x4 to a friend and got it back today broken. Would anyone be willing to sell be a lubed 4x4x4 cube? I'd like to try out another blindfold solve and the 5x5x5 is a crappy way to simulate it.

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Ignoring the centralmost slices on an odd cube and doing moves as normal simulates the even order cube one less than your current cube. But having those slices there physically makes it less than ideal as far as doing turns since they can be misaligned and block your other turns, even though they don't technically exist given the way you are perceiving the cube. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Crappy, or impossible? How would you simulate an even-order cube with an > odd one? >

Actually as an interesting side note given a nxnxn cube, based on how you perceive that cube, you can simulate a cube A of any size such that 1 <= A <= n and yes you can simulate the 1x1x1 cube with your 100x100x100 cube, even though that is rather silly. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Crappy, or impossible? How would you simulate an even-order cube with an > odd one?

Are you sure you aren't a geek? What was your score on the Geek test (http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html)? On 2/20/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. Unless you are in the > original sideshow sense!

Okay... so how would you split the 5x5x5 to be a 4x4x4? I don't have one in front of me, but it seems like you can't simply pair the center slice with l or r, because something like L'l' F2 Ll would force you to break the pair apart. Would you just ignore the center slices altogether? It makes sense to me that you can always pair the center slices of an even-order cube to make it odd (e.g. solving centers and edges first on a 4x4x4 and then solving as a 3x3x3), and actually end up with a solved cube in the end. But if you simulate a 4x4x4 with a 5x5x5 by ignoring center slices, at the end of your "solve" your center slices are still probably going to be screwed up, right? I guess it gets the job done... On 2/22/06, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Actually as an interesting side note given a nxnxn cube, based on how > you perceive that cube, you can simulate a cube A of any size such > that 1 <= A <= n and yes you can simulate the 1x1x1 cube with your > 100x100x100 cube, even though that is rather silly. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" > <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > > > Crappy, or impossible? How would you simulate an even-order cube > with an > > odd one? > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > -- http://procool.blogspot.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Do you mind if I host this on strangepuzzle? -Chris On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > :p > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, imagine the center slices have no stickers. That's effectively a 4x4x4. As for the broken one, try www.cubesmith.com for replacement parts. Rubiks.com also carries the spare parts. Finally, Toys 'R Us in the USA currently stocks the Winning Moves 4x4x4. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > apart. Would you just ignore the center slices altogether?

Yes...please, Tyson, share the other angle with us... Pedro christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Here's a downloadable link for the clip in Windows Media format: http://tinyurl.com/gls8n Tyson, can you share the other angle? You mentioned before that the clip was temporarily inaccessible... was that situation ever fixed? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we have > it from at least two angles now. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > > > :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You're welcome to use my file, but I didn't shoot the original video. So I'd be out of line granting permission. Also, if you have a way to convert FLV to WMV without the annoying logo overlay, I'll give you the FLV file. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > Do you mind if I host this on strangepuzzle? > > -Chris > > On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > > > > The video of new World Record (11.13). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > > > > :p > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Well I was actually hoping to get a prelubed cube from someone because I don't have silicone here with me and I don't have the time to go around researching what works best and all (I don't remember what I used the first time but it wasn't ideal). And yeah I can simulate a 4x4x4 by ignoring the centralmost slices on the 5x5x5. However doing a 4x4x4 solve on a 5x5x5 is impractical and will just slow you down due to the extra slices getting in the way. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Yes, imagine the center slices have no stickers. That's effectively a > 4x4x4. > > As for the broken one, try www.cubesmith.com for replacement parts. > Rubiks.com also carries the spare parts. Finally, Toys 'R Us in the > USA currently stocks the Winning Moves 4x4x4. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" > <mmoberly@> wrote: > > apart. Would you just ignore the center slices altogether? >

I need to compress it, and I need to wait until Thursday. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Pedro wrote: > Yes...please, Tyson, share the other angle with us... > > Pedro > > christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > Here's a downloadable link for the clip in Windows Media format: > > http://tinyurl.com/gls8n > > Tyson, can you share the other angle? You mentioned before that the > clip was temporarily inaccessible... was that situation ever fixed? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we > have >> it from at least two angles now. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: >> >>> The video of new World Record (11.13). >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 >>> >>> :p >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

sadly, mine is only 39.44773% - Major Geek :( On 2/22/06, David Barr <david20708@...> wrote: > Are you sure you aren't a geek? What was your score on the Geek test > (http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html)? > > On 2/20/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. Unless you are in the > > original sideshow sense! > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

ooh... i get it. On 2/22/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > I need to compress it, and I need to wait until Thursday. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 22, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Pedro wrote: > > > Yes...please, Tyson, share the other angle with us... > > > > Pedro > > > > christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > > Here's a downloadable link for the clip in Windows Media format: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/gls8n > > > > Tyson, can you share the other angle? You mentioned before that the > > clip was temporarily inaccessible... was that situation ever fixed? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Who took that video? Does anyone know? That's pretty cool... we > > have > >> it from at least two angles now. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 22, 2006, at 12:12 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > >> > >>> The video of new World Record (11.13). > >>> > >>> http://www.youtube.com/?v=QAZ20aL9E84 > >>> > >>> :p > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Barr" <david20708@...> wrote: > > Are you sure you aren't a geek? What was your score on the Geek test > (http://www.innergeek.us/geek-test.html)? > > On 2/20/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > And I'm not a geek, so not realizing that, I'd say you're not either. Unless you are in the > > original sideshow sense! > According to that test I am not a geek. I placed in the "geekish tendencies" category - about 12.28% or so. I did win geek site of the day once but it's not one of the questions. : )

Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! David --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There was a cube on a table during the olympics. It was scrambled (not surprising) during a curling game. It was in front of the announcers. Peter Greenwood

I found some no name brand in the Automotive area of Wal-mart. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? > > I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Also, there is an Olympics cube (solved) sitting on top of the scrambled one. It's been there for several days. I also noticed a pair of black eyeglasses in front of both cubes (geek reference?) Maybe cubing will be an Olympic event soon... Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > There was a cube on a table during the olympics. It was scrambled (not > surprising) during a curling game. It was in front of the announcers. > > Peter Greenwood >

I found something called "Shock Oil" at a hobby store. It's apparently used for radio control cars. It's 100% silicone oil, and comes in various weights. I like the thicker kind because it drips slowly and is not messy to apply a few drops on a puzzle. It's odorless and seems to last longer than the silicone spray. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? > > I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Everyone, So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you put in an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how the F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there any videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr got his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a BLD solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have any speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style and how it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm wondering if your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of delays, or a combination of both? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Hey guys, today at my high school we had the astronomer John Dobson come into my class and give us a speech and a slideshow about the universe. It was very interesting, but in the midst of it all he mentioned something about Caltech. He was talking about properties in the universe and said, "even people at Caltech don't know why inertia happens, they only know how it happens." So I was wondering if any of you Caltech students have ever come in contact with him or his organization. Sorry for the random topic, I just thought it was interesting that he mentioned Caltech. -David

Didn't notice the solved one before, but I saw the scrambled one a while back. The glasses may be a reference to the skip for the Italian team. He wears some dark rimmed glasses and has appearantly been rocketed to near superstardom over the course of these olympics. (He looks kinda like Rivers Cuomo IMHO). -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Also, there is an Olympics cube (solved) sitting on top of the > scrambled one. It's been there for several days. I also noticed a > pair of black eyeglasses in front of both cubes (geek reference?) > Maybe cubing will be an Olympic event soon... > > Chris

Hi Tyson Actually, that's the method (or a method close to what) Sebastien Felix does (or used to do, I haven't from him in a while, I don't even know if he's still cubing, since he told me he was close to quit... anyway). I got his F2L algorithm table somewhere, some of the tricks are rather clever. I also don't know if he knew all of them (there are quite a lot, I would say 500-ish from what I remember) but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. So you might want to grab a recent video of Sebastien. Dunno if strangepuzzle's got any. François Tyson Mao a écrit : > Hi Everyone, > > So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you put in > an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how the > F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there any > videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr got > his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a BLD > solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have any > speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style and how > it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm wondering if > your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of delays, > or a combination of both? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> > Free puzzle inlay games > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> > Educational game and puzzle > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> > > Word puzzle game > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> > Kid puzzle game > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > Puzzle games > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" on the web. > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Could you tell about the various "weights"? R ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher_pelley" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:14 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: silicon lube > I found something called "Shock Oil" at a hobby store. It's > apparently used for radio control cars. It's 100% silicone oil, and > comes in various weights. I like the thicker kind because it drips > slowly and is not messy to apply a few drops on a puzzle. It's > odorless and seems to last longer than the silicone spray. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > > > Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? > > > > I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! > > > > David > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Skolnik" <lockjaw17des@...> wrote: > He was talking about properties in > the universe John Dobson is a great popularizer of astronomy. While he was a Buddhist monk he invented the Dobsonian alt-az mounting, used in many amateur "point and shoot" telescopes. But his views on the nature of the Universe are somewhat "unconventional". You can read his thoughts at http://www.johndobson.org/jarticles.html and perhaps draw your own conclusions. > "even people at Caltech don't know why inertia > happens, they only know how it happens." It's a good line, which applies to anything fundamental. If you answer a long enough chain of "Why?" questions, eventually you have to stop at something (currently!) regarded as fundamental and say: "That's just how it seems to be." So in the end, what we are left with as an "answer" to our original "Why?", is a very detailed description of /how/. Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Hi Tyson > Actually, that's the method (or a method close to what) Sebastien Felix > does (or used to do, I haven't from him in a while, I don't even know if > he's still cubing, since he told me he was close to quit... anyway). I Sébastien stopped cubing, he found another hobby: http://www.festivaldejazzdeserres.com/FRANCAIS/Artistes/nuages_de_swing.\ htm#Felix BTW, Jean has changed a bit too: http://www.jeanpons.com/ > got his F2L algorithm table somewhere, some of the tricks are rather > clever. I also don't know if he knew all of them (there are quite a lot, > I would say 500-ish from what I remember) but I wouldn't be surprised if > he did. So you might want to grab a recent video of Sebastien. Dunno if > strangepuzzle's got any. > François > > Tyson Mao a écrit : > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you put in > > an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how the > > F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there any > > videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr got > > his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a BLD > > solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have any > > speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style and how > > it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm wondering if > > your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of delays, > > or a combination of both? > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle\ +game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+\ puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJD\ BnytECiSfUCw> > > Free puzzle inlay games > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+p\ uzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=\ Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0\ wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> > > Educational game and puzzle > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigs\ aw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle\ &w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3\ 7T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> > > > > Word puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+g\ ame&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+pu\ zzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dS\ S_WgIx9QRg> > > Kid puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+ga\ me&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puz\ zle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyI\ ak1hdhkgQ> > > Puzzle games > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&\ w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle\ +game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB\ 7KhBMA> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsub\ scribe> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

What is "Twisters in Texas"? Cubers? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (Off topic) Scientist John Dobson > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David Skolnik" > <lockjaw17des@...> wrote: > > He was talking about properties in > > the universe > > John Dobson is a great popularizer of astronomy. While he was a > Buddhist monk he invented the Dobsonian alt-az mounting, used in many > amateur "point and shoot" telescopes. > > But his views on the nature of the Universe are > somewhat "unconventional". You can read his thoughts at > > http://www.johndobson.org/jarticles.html > > and perhaps draw your own conclusions. > > > "even people at Caltech don't know why inertia > > happens, they only know how it happens." > > It's a good line, which applies to anything fundamental. > If you answer a long enough chain of "Why?" questions, eventually you > have to stop at something (currently!) regarded as fundamental and > say: "That's just how it seems to be." So in the end, what we are > left with as an "answer" to our original "Why?", is a very detailed > description of /how/. > > Mike > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > What is "Twisters in Texas"? Cubers? Ah, yes - that might get us back On Topic! He has some harmless fun with those tornadoes, though. /Buddhist/ monk might be wrong, btw. I'm very hazy about eastern religions, and even hazier about eastern-style religions in California. Mike

Hi Tyson, Yeah, I've been told Sebastien Felix uses multislotting... Which means that he pairs up an F2L pair as he inserts the first one. I also heard that Patrick Bellenbaum learned how the F2L algs effect all the pieces, so he could use it in BLD speedsolving. I am not too sure about this, though... About seeing how the F2L algs effect the other F2L pieces: I often know what the next F2L case is going to be, a lot of times I just feel it comming.. I guess most ppl who use F2L have this. And if I don't exactly know which case the next pair is going to be, I try to figure out at least some information like, the orientation of the edge (will I have to rotate the cube next?), or the orientation of the corner (usually easy if it's going to end up with white on top). But this isn't a method of course... I never spent time making tables with different cases.. It's only looking ahead :). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you put in > an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how the > F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there any > videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr got > his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a BLD > solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have any > speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style and how > it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm wondering if > your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of delays, > or a combination of both? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology >

Yeah, there are a few easy cases that after awhile, we all learn to notice. One case that comes to mind is the F2L algorithm where the corner is in place and the edge needs to be flipped. If there are three oriented edges in the last layer, it's very easy to position the last layer so that all edges are oriented for the OLL. I checked on strangepuzzle and couldn't find any videos of Marcus Stuhr though... does he have a website where he posts videos and such things? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 3:51 AM, Joël van Noort wrote: > Hi Tyson, > > Yeah, I've been told Sebastien Felix uses multislotting... Which > means that he pairs up an F2L pair as he inserts the first one. > > I also heard that Patrick Bellenbaum learned how the F2L algs effect > all the pieces, so he could use it in BLD speedsolving. I am not too > sure about this, though... > > About seeing how the F2L algs effect the other F2L pieces: I often > know what the next F2L case is going to be, a lot of times I just > feel it comming.. I guess most ppl who use F2L have this. And if I > don't exactly know which case the next pair is going to be, I try to > figure out at least some information like, the orientation of the > edge (will I have to rotate the cube next?), or the orientation of > the corner (usually easy if it's going to end up with white on top). > But this isn't a method of course... I never spent time making > tables with different cases.. It's only looking ahead :). > > - Joël. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you > put in >> an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how > the >> F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there > any >> videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr > got >> his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a > BLD >> solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have > any >> speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style > and how >> it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm > wondering if >> your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of > delays, >> or a combination of both? >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Would you comment please on his statement "apparently we talk "proper" English over here"? Sorry, still off topic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (Off topic) Scientist John Dobson --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > What is "Twisters in Texas"? Cubers? Ah, yes - that might get us back On Topic! He has some harmless fun with those tornadoes, though. /Buddhist/ monk might be wrong, btw. I'm very hazy about eastern religions, and even hazier about eastern-style religions in California. Mike Yahoo! Groups Links

There are actually only a few multislotting algs, just a lot of different cases for them to be used on. It's a bit like VH, only it effects the next pair instead of the last layer. I've been trying to apply them to roux for a while, but they don't come up that often. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, François Sechet <frsechet@...> wrote: > > Hi Tyson > Actually, that's the method (or a method close to what) Sebastien Felix > does (or used to do, I haven't from him in a while, I don't even know if > he's still cubing, since he told me he was close to quit... anyway). I > got his F2L algorithm table somewhere, some of the tricks are rather > clever. I also don't know if he knew all of them (there are quite a lot, > I would say 500-ish from what I remember) but I wouldn't be surprised if > he did. So you might want to grab a recent video of Sebastien. Dunno if > strangepuzzle's got any. > François > > Tyson Mao a écrit : > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > So I've been hearing about this method of Fridrich where as you put in > > an F2L pair, you can easily know where the next one will be or how the > > F2L algorithm affects the other pieces around the cube. Are there any > > videos of people using this method? Isn't this how Marcus Stuhr got > > his 15.15 average? Marcus, I know you mentioned that you had a BLD > > solve on video on computer ready to be uploaded, but do you have any > > speed solves? It would be interesting to see your cubing style and how > > it affects your reaction time in terms of F2L pairs. I'm wondering if > > your 15.15 average was attained with hand speed, reduction of delays, > > or a combination of both? > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> > > Free puzzle inlay games > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> > > Educational game and puzzle > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> > > > > Word puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> > > Kid puzzle game > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> > > Puzzle games > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > * Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" on the web. > > > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi all, although i stoped cubing for a month, i'm restarting cubing now. I puted my multisloting file in the file section of this forum, there are only 5-6 different "algs" but the real job is to understand how it works and it will become more intuitive... email me for more stuff... keep on cubing. sebastien

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Would you comment please on his statement "apparently we talk "proper" English over here"? I'm not sure where "over here" is meant to be, and whether it is in the US or the UK that he believes English has changed more. There is no "proper" English anyway. The language has changed a lot in both countries since the 17th century: US English and some dialects of British English retain a few "archaic" elements in vocabulary, past tenses of strong verbs, etc. But they are only "archaic" from the point of view of someone who speaks the dialect of S.E. England. He says he could make himself understood to people whose accents he couldn't understand. That is not surprising: the American accent(s) are familiar in the UK from imported films & TV. The flow is pretty much one way. Also, some British accents /are/ fairly impenetrable at times. :D Mike

Nothing to argue about but I was astonished at his " my guess is that the language has changed less over here than over there" (over here is Apparently America). ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: (Off topic) Scientist John Dobson --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Would you comment please on his statement "apparently we talk "proper" English over here"? I'm not sure where "over here" is meant to be, and whether it is in the US or the UK that he believes English has changed more. There is no "proper" English anyway. The language has changed a lot in both countries since the 17th century: US English and some dialects of British English retain a few "archaic" elements in vocabulary, past tenses of strong verbs, etc. But they are only "archaic" from the point of view of someone who speaks the dialect of S.E. England. He says he could make himself understood to people whose accents he couldn't understand. That is not surprising: the American accent(s) are familiar in the UK from imported films & TV. The flow is pretty much one way. Also, some British accents /are/ fairly impenetrable at times. :D Mike Yahoo! Groups Links

I counted how many moves my current approach takes and it was around 75 moves (40 moves F2L, 35 moves 3LLL). My cross was 7 or 8 moves every time. If I learn the rest of 2LL and don't do anything fancy like multislotting, I could see that coming down to the low 60's. My F2L is about 40 moves. What's a reasonable rate for a speedcuber? 3 moves a second? How many moves does a typical sub-30 cuber use for a Fridrich-style solve? - Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan, I made a few adjustments... Corrected a few mistakes, added some things about shoes and socks. Deleted the display bar in the applets. I didn't photoshop your sunburn away, though ;). I also explained more about how to find the first three moves in a basic 8-move 3 cycle, because some people did not really understand where I got those from. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > I just uploaded a nice tutorial about commutators to my website... > > Hi Joel, > > very nice, I like it a lot. But of course I have to write some > suggestions/comments anyway :-) > > - To show the commutator structure and the "little overlapping" rule I > like to compare "shoe off, sock off, shoe on, sock on" with "shoe off > glove off, shoe on, glove on". > > - On the cube the "little overlapping" becomes nicely visible if you > take the T-perm as P, and for Q first use D, then L, then U. Shows how > larger overlap results in larger effects. > > - Example 1: (B L2 B' R B L2 B' R') has the nice alternative solution > (R' U L' U' R U L U'). > > - Can you give unique numbers to all examples to make referring to > them easier? > > - What's (P = R'UL' and Q = U') supposed to do? > > - For the 4x4 applets, I'm sure there's a way to turn the algorithm > display off, but I don't remember how right now. > > - (P = l r' u2 l' r') should be (P = l r' u2 l' r) > > - Why always only outer slice turns for Q, never inner slice turns? > For example (U R' U') M' (U R U') M. Also results in a nice alg with > setup move R: (R U R' U' M' U R U' r'). Inner slice turns for Q is > also very helpful for 4x4. > > - Gosh did I have a sunburn. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hey Matt! I think 3 moves per second is a very good rate.. I think I average a little more than 3.5 moves/second. I think you can improve a lot on the F2L! I think I average about 30 moves for the F2L and in the lower 50's for the whole cube. I suspect you are using the standard F2L algorithms too much, and don't know a lot of shortcuts. You can find some shortcuts here: http://www.puzzlingaddiction.com/Cube/f2l/. Not all of them are usefull in speedcubing, but it gives some inspiration. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > I counted how many moves my current approach takes and it was around 75 > moves (40 moves F2L, 35 moves 3LLL). > My cross was 7 or 8 moves every time. If I learn the rest of 2LL and don't > do anything fancy like multislotting, I could see that coming down to the > low 60's. My F2L is about 40 moves. > > What's a reasonable rate for a speedcuber? 3 moves a second? > > How many moves does a typical sub-30 cuber use for a Fridrich- style solve? > > - Matt > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > Nothing to argue about but I was astonished at his " my guess is that the language has changed less over here than over there" (over here is Apparently America). Yes, it does seem surprising -- you might have expected *some* influence from all those non-English-speaking settlers! Maybe he has somehow got the notion that we all spoke the same way four or five centuries ago. If he sees bigger regional variations within the UK today than within the US, he might imagine that American English has stayed closer to that "original" language, and that the British accents and dialects have emerged since then. But there were "always" big regional variations here: cf. Chaucer & Langland, who wrote in quite different dialects, both in C14. It's hard to guess what he might have been thinking to come up with that. Mike

http://tinyurl.com/gszbn -Chris On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > > Hi, Tyson > > where can I get the video from other angle? > could u tell me? > thanks a lot!! > > PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/gszbn > > -Chris > Chris Thank you very much. ^^ > On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: > > > > Hi, Tyson > > > > where can I get the video from other angle? > > could u tell me? > > thanks a lot!! > > > > PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The other angle is on strangepuzzle.com Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:11 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > <huntca@...> wrote: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/gszbn >> >> -Chris >> > > Chris > > Thank you very much. ^^ > > >> On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Tyson >>> >>> where can I get the video from other angle? >>> could u tell me? >>> thanks a lot!! >>> >>> PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I'm an idiot. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:11 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > <huntca@...> wrote: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/gszbn >> >> -Chris >> > > Chris > > Thank you very much. ^^ > > >> On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@...> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Tyson >>> >>> where can I get the video from other angle? >>> could u tell me? >>> thanks a lot!! >>> >>> PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ >>> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

That's a nice video. Who is Reid & Wascinski? On a similar note, anyone know who Justin Eastman is? (See your WC05 t-shirt) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > The other angle is on strangepuzzle.com > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology

Reid & Wascinski is Chris Reid and Cory Wascinski, a group making a cube documentary that's been working with us for quite some time now. Justin Eastman is a Canadian cuber and he won the logo design back when the WCA was looking for a logo. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:20 AM, christopher_pelley wrote: > That's a nice video. Who is Reid & Wascinski? > > On a similar note, anyone know who Justin Eastman is? (See your WC05 > t-shirt) > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> The other angle is on strangepuzzle.com >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Here in the US, they are measured in Kinwald weights, where a high number like 80 means a heavy weight, and lower numbers like 10 or 25 mean thinner weight. I think in Europe there is a different scale but the same idea applies. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Could you tell about the various "weights"? > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "christopher_pelley" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:14 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: silicon lube > > > > I found something called "Shock Oil" at a hobby store. It's > > apparently used for radio control cars. It's 100% silicone oil, and > > comes in various weights. I like the thicker kind because it drips > > slowly and is not messy to apply a few drops on a puzzle. It's > > odorless and seems to last longer than the silicone spray. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > > > Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? > > > > > > I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I'm an idiot. XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Orz > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:11 AM, cwlin1010 wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > > <huntca@> wrote: > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/gszbn > >> > >> -Chris > >> > > > > Chris > > > > Thank you very much. ^^ > > > > > >> On 2/22/06, cwlin1010 <cubepuzzle@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, Tyson > >>> > >>> where can I get the video from other angle? > >>> could u tell me? > >>> thanks a lot!! > >>> > >>> PS: I'm Vic's friend from Taiwan. ^_^ > >>> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big help. I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!!

My cousin goes to school in Philadelphia and I might be there for her graduation. Are there any cubers around Philadelphia? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I'm an idiot. But at least it took you less than a minute to realize it :-) Cheers! Stefan

You're about my speed (at least when I'm using CFOP). I got a few 27's yesterday. My average varies from 39 to 41. What were the tips that helped the most, in your opinion? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > help. > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! >

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David Barr and I live in Laurel, MD, but thats about 2-2.5 hours away. I don't think thats what you were going for, but I thought I'd give you a heads up. The NY/NJ cubers (Ian, Bob, etc.) are probably about the same distance away, but in the other direction. -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > My cousin goes to school in Philadelphia and I might be there for her > graduation. Are there any cubers around Philadelphia? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology >

I remember Stefan posted an algorithm he used. There was two. I can't find it. Could someone please post both of them? Thanks.

Well, I got down to 31 with a corners-first strategy. The method itself was nothing great, but I had done it for so many years I could achieve sub-30 times about 50% of the time. I'm hoping to surpass that by learning a more efficient solving method. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > And what was your average before? > > On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > You're about my speed (at least when I'm using CFOP). I got a few > > 27's yesterday. My average varies from 39 to 41. What were the tips > > that helped the most, in your opinion? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" > > <dbeyer816@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > > > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > > > help. > > > > > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+ games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzl e+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+i nlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+ puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzz le+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5= Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ > Word > > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+ga mes&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+ game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+gam es&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+g ame&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games& w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game &w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > > ------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolv ingrubikscube>" > > on the web. > > > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube- unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube- unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > http://procool.blogspot.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve including scramble and how he solved it. Thanks

What numbering scheme for OLL are you using? There are only 40 OLL cases on the Fridrich site. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "darereck" <darereck@...> wrote: > > I remember Stefan posted an algorithm he used. There was two. I can't > find it. Could someone please post both of them? > > Thanks. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "darereck" <darereck@.. .> wrote: > > I remember Stefan posted an algorithm he used. There was two. I can't > find it. Could someone please post both of them? (I'm assuming you use Bob's the numbering scheme) Thanks for asking, you made me think about it again and I just realized my right hand is pretty much holding the cube while the left hand does all the work, and that despite the case being symmetric. So I gotta try mirroring it. Right now I do it this way: r' U' (x U) R' U' x l' l' U L U' R' U x So now I'll have to try: l U (x U') L U x r r U' R' U L U' x Btw, here's another alg for another OLL case I found recently: L F' F' U R' U' F' U l D' (x U') L' Cheers! Stefan

Strange. Google doesn´t find anything on "Kinwalds weights". In Europe (or maybe; in the rest of the world) the viscosity is measured in "stoke". You can buy silicon on 100, 1000, 10000 etc. stoke. Stoke is the CGS-unit for kinematical viscocity and one stoke= 10^4m^2/s. But OK, you have your bushels, your inches and your Fahrenheit. So why not buy silicon in Kinwalds? R ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher_pelley" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:22 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: silicon lube Here in the US, they are measured in Kinwald weights, where a high number like 80 means a heavy weight, and lower numbers like 10 or 25 mean thinner weight. I think in Europe there is a different scale but the same idea applies. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Could you tell about the various "weights"? > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "christopher_pelley" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:14 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: silicon lube > > > > I found something called "Shock Oil" at a hobby store. It's > > apparently used for radio control cars. It's 100% silicone oil, and > > comes in various weights. I like the thicker kind because it drips > > slowly and is not messy to apply a few drops on a puzzle. It's > > odorless and seems to last longer than the silicone spray. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > > > Where do I get it? What brands are common? How much is it? > > > > > > I desperately need some for my 4x4 and megaminx.. thanks! > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

Well, the PLL was: U' ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve > including scramble and how he solved it. > > Thanks >

You know... we've tried. We weren't able to do it. There are two possibilities: 1. The scramble was done incorrectly. I actually highly doubt this is the case. I was behind the table myself scrambling most of the cubes. The other people that were scrambling cubes, (i.e. Daniel Lo and my brother) are all very trustworthy scramblers. 2. We're just stupid. I think it's more likely the latter. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, bballkid2076 wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve > including scramble and how he solved it. > > Thanks > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hence, the look of extreme guilt on his face. But this was something we all knew would happen right? Eventually, someone will hit 8 seconds. Macky had a 10.07 and an unofficial competition of ours. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 12:06 PM, christopher_pelley wrote: > Well, the PLL was: > > U' > > ;-) > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" > <bballkid2076@...> wrote: >> >> I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve >> including scramble and how he solved it. >> >> Thanks >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Can you give us the scramble it was supposed to be? And how the cube was oriented for it? And is a video available that includes the start and where you can see the cube? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > You know... we've tried. We weren't able to do it. There are two > possibilities: > > 1. The scramble was done incorrectly. I actually highly doubt this is > the case. I was behind the table myself scrambling most of the cubes. > The other people that were scrambling cubes, (i.e. Daniel Lo and my > brother) are all very trustworthy scramblers. > > 2. We're just stupid. > > I think it's more likely the latter. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, bballkid2076 wrote: > > > I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve > > including scramble and how he solved it. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Everyone, I'm looking for cubers in the Philadelphia area, and especially cubers at the University of Pennsylvania. My cousin goes to the University of Pennsylvania and knows a bunch of people on the staff of the newspaper, the Daily Pennsylvanian, who might be interested in writing an article about blindfold cubers. They were interested in contacting me because I did some blindfold cubing on Beauty and the Geek 2 and I was once the world record holder, but it just wouldn't do justice when there's someone at their own school who can solve it in 1 minute 17 seconds for them not to include him in the article. Anyway, so if you go to the University of Pennsylvania, and you can cube, let me know. And they definitely want to interview Marcus and see his skills into action. Actually, Marcus, if you're free, my cousin is in the dorm across the street and she's interesting in meeting you just to see you solve the cube. She's seen me blindfold before, but I can't memorize the cube in 15 to 25 seconds, so that would be very interesting to witness. She's also got a camera if you're having trouble with your lithium battery. It seems that it's possible to build a strong cubing community in Pennsylvania like we have here in Southern California, and with experts like Marcus in the area, it shouldn't be too difficult to attract media attention. Actually, Marcus, if you're interested, I may be able to get you a spot on one of the morning news shows. They would also be interested in other Philadelphia cubers... so just let me know. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Hi Stefan, I think it's: B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B So let me know if you can get it to work...otherwise, I'll check some of the other scrambles. As for other videos, what I gave to Chris Hunt is all that I have... Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Can you give us the scramble it was supposed to be? And how the cube > was oriented for it? > > And is a video available that includes the start and where you can see > the cube? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> You know... we've tried. We weren't able to do it. There are two >> possibilities: >> >> 1. The scramble was done incorrectly. I actually highly doubt this > is >> the case. I was behind the table myself scrambling most of the > cubes. >> The other people that were scrambling cubes, (i.e. Daniel Lo and my >> brother) are all very trustworthy scramblers. >> >> 2. We're just stupid. >> >> I think it's more likely the latter. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, bballkid2076 wrote: >> >>> I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve >>> including scramble and how he solved it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B What is A, typo? -Chris On 2/23/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > I think it's: > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > So let me know if you can get it to work...otherwise, I'll check some > of the other scrambles. > > As for other videos, what I gave to Chris Hunt is all that I have... > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Can you give us the scramble it was supposed to be? And how the cube > > was oriented for it? > > > > And is a video available that includes the start and where you can see > > the cube? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> You know... we've tried. We weren't able to do it. There are two > >> possibilities: > >> > >> 1. The scramble was done incorrectly. I actually highly doubt this > > is > >> the case. I was behind the table myself scrambling most of the > > cubes. > >> The other people that were scrambling cubes, (i.e. Daniel Lo and my > >> brother) are all very trustworthy scramblers. > >> > >> 2. We're just stupid. > >> > >> I think it's more likely the latter. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, bballkid2076 wrote: > >> > >>> I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve > >>> including scramble and how he solved it. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm looking for cubers in the Philadelphia area, and especially cubers > at the University of Pennsylvania. My cousin goes to the University of > Pennsylvania and knows a bunch of people on the staff of the newspaper, > the Daily Pennsylvanian, who might be interested in writing an article > about blindfold cubers. They were interested in contacting me because > I did some blindfold cubing on Beauty and the Geek 2 and I was once the > world record holder, but it just wouldn't do justice when there's > someone at their own school who can solve it in 1 minute 17 seconds for > them not to include him in the article. > > Anyway, so if you go to the University of Pennsylvania, and you can > cube, let me know. And they definitely want to interview Marcus and > see his skills into action. Actually, Marcus, if you're free, my > cousin is in the dorm across the street and she's interesting in > meeting you just to see you solve the cube. She's seen me blindfold > before, but I can't memorize the cube in 15 to 25 seconds, so that > would be very interesting to witness. She's also got a camera if > you're having trouble with your lithium battery. > > It seems that it's possible to build a strong cubing community in > Pennsylvania like we have here in Southern California, and with experts > like Marcus in the area, it shouldn't be too difficult to attract media > attention. Actually, Marcus, if you're interested, I may be able to > get you a spot on one of the morning news shows. They would also be > interested in other Philadelphia cubers... so just let me know. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > I am actually going to be at UPenn tommorow. But considering ive only successfully bld cubed twice, my avg for reg speedcubing is only 24.5 seconds, and i am only 14 i dont think im the right person for the article.

Off-topic: Haha, Yeah, about your BLD solve on BATG: I've seen people on the internet who actually thought you solved the cube blindfolded in 14 seconds... They didn't see it was edited... :) - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm looking for cubers in the Philadelphia area, and especially cubers > at the University of Pennsylvania. My cousin goes to the University of > Pennsylvania and knows a bunch of people on the staff of the newspaper, > the Daily Pennsylvanian, who might be interested in writing an article > about blindfold cubers. They were interested in contacting me because > I did some blindfold cubing on Beauty and the Geek 2 and I was once the > world record holder, but it just wouldn't do justice when there's > someone at their own school who can solve it in 1 minute 17 seconds for > them not to include him in the article. > > Anyway, so if you go to the University of Pennsylvania, and you can > cube, let me know. And they definitely want to interview Marcus and > see his skills into action. Actually, Marcus, if you're free, my > cousin is in the dorm across the street and she's interesting in > meeting you just to see you solve the cube. She's seen me blindfold > before, but I can't memorize the cube in 15 to 25 seconds, so that > would be very interesting to witness. She's also got a camera if > you're having trouble with your lithium battery. > > It seems that it's possible to build a strong cubing community in > Pennsylvania like we have here in Southern California, and with experts > like Marcus in the area, it shouldn't be too difficult to attract media > attention. Actually, Marcus, if you're interested, I may be able to > get you a spot on one of the morning news shows. They would also be > interested in other Philadelphia cubers... so just let me know. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology >

I assume it's antislice: LA = L R I wonder if that was ignored by the scrambler? Probably not based on what Tyson says. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > What is A, typo? > > -Chris > > On 2/23/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > I think it's: > > > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > > > So let me know if you can get it to work...otherwise, I'll check some > > of the other scrambles. > > > > As for other videos, what I gave to Chris Hunt is all that I have... > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > > > Can you give us the scramble it was supposed to be? And how the cube > > > was oriented for it? > > > > > > And is a video available that includes the start and where you can see > > > the cube? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> You know... we've tried. We weren't able to do it. There are two > > >> possibilities: > > >> > > >> 1. The scramble was done incorrectly. I actually highly doubt this > > > is > > >> the case. I was behind the table myself scrambling most of the > > > cubes. > > >> The other people that were scrambling cubes, (i.e. Daniel Lo and my > > >> brother) are all very trustworthy scramblers. > > >> > > >> 2. We're just stupid. > > >> > > >> I think it's more likely the latter. > > >> > > >> Tyson Mao > > >> Astrophysics '06 > > >> California Institute of Technology > > >> > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:43 AM, bballkid2076 wrote: > > >> > > >>> I was just wondering if anyone has recreated Leyan Lo's Wr solve > > >>> including scramble and how he solved it. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I don't think it's antislice. Just before that in the scramble, L R is written without antislice shorthand. What kind of program generates LA sometimes and L R others? I would think it would have been written as "... LA U2 LA ..." or "... L R U2 L R ...", not switching back and forth like that. My two cents... On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > I assume it's antislice: LA = L R > > I wonder if that was ignored by the scrambler? Probably not based > on what Tyson says. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > <huntca@...> wrote: > > > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 > D U' B > > > > What is A, typo? > > > > -Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B Sowwie... Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Matt Moberly wrote: > I don't think it's antislice. Just before that in the scramble, L R is > written without antislice shorthand. What kind of program generates LA > sometimes and L R others? I would think it would have been written as > "... > LA U2 LA ..." or "... L R U2 L R ...", not switching back and forth > like > that. > > My two cents... > > On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> I assume it's antislice: LA = L R >> >> I wonder if that was ignored by the scrambler? Probably not based >> on what Tyson says. >> >> Chris >> >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" >> <huntca@...> wrote: >>> >>> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 >> D U' B >>> >>> What is A, typo? >>> >>> -Chris >>> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Ok, can you also tell how the cube was held for scrambling? By now I have reconstructed it backwards with the video and I'm right after the cross, so I just need to close that last little gap. Knowing how the cube was held would help me a lot. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > Sowwie... > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Matt Moberly wrote: > > > I don't think it's antislice. Just before that in the scramble, L R is > > written without antislice shorthand. What kind of program generates LA > > sometimes and L R others? I would think it would have been written as > > "... > > LA U2 LA ..." or "... L R U2 L R ...", not switching back and forth > > like > > that. > > > > My two cents... > > > > On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> > >> I assume it's antislice: LA = L R > >> > >> I wonder if that was ignored by the scrambler? Probably not based > >> on what Tyson says. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > >> <huntca@> wrote: > >>> > >>> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 > >> D U' B > >>> > >>> What is A, typo? > >>> > >>> -Chris > >>> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Oh really? You're awesome Stefan! white on top, green in front. Again... I admit the possibility that the scrambling was wrong... so if it was, I'd really be interested in knowing. Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you really have nothing better to do :-P?!? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 2:14 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Ok, can you also tell how the cube was held for scrambling? By now I > have reconstructed it backwards with the video and I'm right after the > cross, so I just need to close that last little gap. Knowing how the > cube was held would help me a lot. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B >> >> Sowwie... >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 1:21 PM, Matt Moberly wrote: >> >>> I don't think it's antislice. Just before that in the scramble, L > R is >>> written without antislice shorthand. What kind of program > generates LA >>> sometimes and L R others? I would think it would have been > written as >>> "... >>> LA U2 LA ..." or "... L R U2 L R ...", not switching back and > forth >>> like >>> that. >>> >>> My two cents... >>> >>> On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I assume it's antislice: LA = L R >>>> >>>> I wonder if that was ignored by the scrambler? Probably not > based >>>> on what Tyson says. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" >>>> <huntca@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 LA U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' > R2 >>>> D U' B >>>>> >>>>> What is A, typo? >>>>> >>>>> -Chris >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

1. Hold U=white, F=green 2. Scramble: B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B 3. Solve: y L l U R' y L' U x U R' U' R U R U' R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U U R' U' R' U R2 U' z' U U (R' U' R U') (R' U R U) (l U' R' U) x U' > Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you really > have nothing better to do :-P?!? Nah, I didn't spend too much time with that. I did have a look every now and then, that's all. Cheers! Stefan

Well, now that I've executed it freely (i.e. staring at the cube, not the solution alg) let me take the y out and also rearrange the solution a bit (particularly the R2's belong to the following pair, not the preceding): 1. Hold U=white, F=green 2. Scramble: B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B 3. Preinspect: y 4. Solve: CRO: L l U R' y L' U CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x PLL: U' Also, for the cross of course I can only guess the exact execution since it's not on the video. The rest of the solve is pretty much exactly what Leyan did. Btw, F2L with 37 moves in about 8.23 seconds. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > 1. Hold U=white, F=green > > 2. Scramble: > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > 3. Solve: > y L l U R' y L' U > x U R' U' R U R U' R2' > x2 U' R U R U' R2' U R2 > x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > U R' U' R' U R2 U' > z' U U (R' U' R U') (R' U R U) (l U' R' U) x > U' > > > Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you really > > have nothing better to do :-P?!? > > Nah, I didn't spend too much time with that. I did have a look every > now and then, that's all. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Wow, you got it?!? That confirms scenario number two: Leyan is stupid. We have evidence when he tried to connect some dots on a place mat in a restaurant. That's so awesome... and it looks like you have the keen ability of catching the most brilliant moments on the web cam. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 23, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Well, now that I've executed it freely (i.e. staring at the cube, not > the solution alg) let me take the y out and also rearrange the > solution a bit (particularly the R2's belong to the following pair, > not the preceding): > > 1. Hold U=white, F=green > > 2. Scramble: > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > 3. Preinspect: > y > > 4. Solve: > CRO: L l U R' y L' U > CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' > CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U > CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' > OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x > PLL: U' > > Also, for the cross of course I can only guess the exact execution > since it's not on the video. The rest of the solve is pretty much > exactly what Leyan did. Btw, F2L with 37 moves in about 8.23 seconds. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: >> >> 1. Hold U=white, F=green >> >> 2. Scramble: >> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B >> >> 3. Solve: >> y L l U R' y L' U >> x U R' U' R U R U' R2' >> x2 U' R U R U' R2' U R2 >> x' R U' R' U R U' R' U >> U R' U' R' U R2 U' >> z' U U (R' U' R U') (R' U R U) (l U' R' U) x >> U' >> >>> Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you > really >>> have nothing better to do :-P?!? >> >> Nah, I didn't spend too much time with that. I did have a look every >> now and then, that's all. >> >> Cheers! >> Stefan >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > That's so awesome... and it looks like you have the keen ability of > catching the most brilliant moments on the web cam. Part of the trick is to *make* moments brilliant with good comments, i.e. interpreting something into them that wasn't really there. Remember the BATG editing thread? Cheers! Stefan P.S. Ok, Joel, now I'll go to bed... no, actually I'll go watch tonight's two episodes of Cheers...

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1 Comment...does Leyan solve cross on Left??? Or Top??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > 1. Hold U=white, F=green > > 2. Scramble: > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > 3. Solve: > y L l U R' y L' U > x U R' U' R U R U' R2' > x2 U' R U R U' R2' U R2 > x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > U R' U' R' U R2 U' > z' U U (R' U' R U') (R' U R U) (l U' R' U) x > U' > > > Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you really > > have nothing better to do :-P?!? > > Nah, I didn't spend too much time with that. I did have a look every > now and then, that's all. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Due to some requests I've decided to post these: Here are some videos (I used a MOV to MPEG/WMV converter/splitter but it only does 50% of your selection so I had to chunk it into relevant portions): Paranoia Survivor Max Oni (1.3x rate, 2x arrowspeed), score AAA: http://rapidshare.de/files/13991786/PSMO.mpeg.html http://rapidshare.de/files/13991873/PSMO2.mpeg.html http://rapidshare.de/files/13991907/PSMO3.mpeg.html Quasar (1.3x rate, 2x arrowspeed), score AAA: http://rapidshare.de/files/13992561/quasar13.MOV.html

Thanks to everyone who responded to my initial question. I think I found out why the tiles come off so easily... the solvent in the spray lube dissolves the glue that keeps them on. My tiles were sticking quite nicely until I put on some 3M Teflon Silicone spray tonight and now they are peeling. Not a problem since I will likely order some cubesmith tile sets. I did do as suggested and put on the silicone spray. Man, the thing is still really stiff. Hopefully there is some kind of a break in period where it will loosen up. Otherwise I am going to have to give this one away to a non-cuber as I can barely turn one of the sides with a finger (I have to use my whole hand). Does it make a difference if you let the spray dry before you reassemble the cube? I didn't but read in one post to let it dry but it was already reassembled. Slightly dissapointed that my cheapo cubie solution did not work, at least not yet! (more evidence you get what you pay for) Stuart Cheshire, CT USA matteo miller-nicolato wrote: > i also have a 25th anniversary cube that was very > tight the first days or so.... just take the thing > apart and spray the center mechanism with silicone, > let it dry and put it back together.. you dont have to > mess with the other parts. you should also consider > buying better stickers as the crappy 25th anniversary > ones rip off easily. > > --- stuarthall_ct <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > >>For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube >>from FAO Shwartz >>(with regular colors including a white side), and I >>have never played >>with a cube that rotated as smoothly. >> >>Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th anniverary >>edition with a >>silver side instead of white. This was to be my work >>practice cube. I >>excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only >>to try to turn it >>and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. >> >>Being a newbie and only able to compare the two >>cubes, I am sorely >>disappointed with the new cube. Should I return it, >>or is it worth >>taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and >>adding some silicon >>spray? >> >>For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store is >>not far away. I >>think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... >>maybe I just got a bad >>one? Or do they all need a little work to get them >>just right? >> >>Thanks for the advice. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller nicolato > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Definitely left. All the F2L cases on his site are cross-on-left F2L algs. Great video analysis, Stefan. Great solve, Leyan. It's fascinating to study it. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > 1 Comment...does Leyan solve cross on Left??? Or Top??? > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > 1. Hold U=white, F=green > > > > 2. Scramble: > > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > > > 3. Solve: > > y L l U R' y L' U > > x U R' U' R U R U' R2' > > x2 U' R U R U' R2' U R2 > > x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > > U R' U' R' U R2 U' > > z' U U (R' U' R U') (R' U R U) (l U' R' U) x > > U' > > > > > Btw... you spent so much time watching the webcast... do you really > > > have nothing better to do :-P?!? > > > > Nah, I didn't spend too much time with that. I did have a look every > > now and then, that's all. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

Would it be bad form if I were to alert everyone that the new white cubes are in stock on rubiks.com? Because if it would, I won't do it. Chris

What's that in UDLRFB notation? Are all those x, y, z things meant to show his hand movements? /Lars On Feb 23, 2006, at 14:53, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > 4. Solve: > CRO: L l U R' y L' U > CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' > CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U > CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' > OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x > PLL: U' - - - - - - - - - - - - "Reality is what refuses to go away when you stop believing in it" --- Philip K Dick Lars Petrus, lars@... http://lar5.com

lol On 2/23/06, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Would it be bad form if I were to alert everyone that the new white > cubes are in stock on rubiks.com? Because if it would, I won't do it. > > Chris > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Stefan: this is just awesome. thanks for taking the time to sort that out. well done. Lars: x, y, z correspond to rotations of the whole cube. y = rotate cube same direction as U x = rotate cube same direction as R z = rotate cube same direction as F --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > What's that in UDLRFB notation? > > Are all those x, y, z things meant to show his hand movements? > > /Lars > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 14:53, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > 4. Solve: > > CRO: L l U R' y L' U > > CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' > > CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U > > CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > > CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' > > OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x > > PLL: U' > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > "Reality is what refuses to go away when you stop believing in it" > --- Philip K Dick > > Lars Petrus, lars@... http://lar5.com >

i believe it makes a big difference if you let the silicone dry, i have a set of edges and corners with silicone dried on it, and if i put it together with a center, it moves perfectly, while the original corners and centers dont work as well...you should buy a new cube and re apply the silicone, but be careful not to put any on the stickers. the best cubes are the 15th anniversary, but take off the stickers and get the cubesmith ones. the simple solution is actually the hardest. it has the most moves, but w/e. if its the end your stuck with, you need to read the text VERY carefully, because it has the stupid flip the corners algorithm (which i do not use) the R'D'R D one, and you dont move the rest of the cube, just the very top layer when ur done with one corner. and it flips the right bottom top corner by the way... -kibbles --- "stuart.a.hall" <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > Thanks to everyone who responded to my initial > question. > > I think I found out why the tiles come off so > easily... the solvent in > the spray lube dissolves the glue that keeps them > on. My tiles were > sticking quite nicely until I put on some 3M Teflon > Silicone spray > tonight and now they are peeling. Not a problem > since I will likely > order some cubesmith tile sets. > > I did do as suggested and put on the silicone spray. > Man, the thing is > still really stiff. Hopefully there is some kind of > a break in period > where it will loosen up. Otherwise I am going to > have to give this one > away to a non-cuber as I can barely turn one of the > sides with a finger > (I have to use my whole hand). > > Does it make a difference if you let the spray dry > before you reassemble > the cube? I didn't but read in one post to let it > dry but it was > already reassembled. > > Slightly dissapointed that my cheapo cubie solution > did not work, at > least not yet! (more evidence you get what you pay > for) > > Stuart > Cheshire, CT USA > > > matteo miller-nicolato wrote: > > i also have a 25th anniversary cube that was very > > tight the first days or so.... just take the thing > > apart and spray the center mechanism with > silicone, > > let it dry and put it back together.. you dont > have to > > mess with the other parts. you should also > consider > > buying better stickers as the crappy 25th > anniversary > > ones rip off easily. > > > > --- stuarthall_ct <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > > > > >>For Christmas I got myself a 25th anniversary cube > >>from FAO Shwartz > >>(with regular colors including a white side), and > I > >>have never played > >>with a cube that rotated as smoothly. > >> > >>Today I went to Walmart and bought a 25th > anniverary > >>edition with a > >>silver side instead of white. This was to be my > work > >>practice cube. I > >>excitedly ripped it out of the plastic casing only > >>to try to turn it > >>and it is so stiff! I can barely turn each side. > >> > >>Being a newbie and only able to compare the two > >>cubes, I am sorely > >>disappointed with the new cube. Should I return > it, > >>or is it worth > >>taking it apart, sanding the cubies a little and > >>adding some silicon > >>spray? > >> > >>For the price it wasn't bad, $9.97, and the store > is > >>not far away. I > >>think there were another 5 or 6 on the shelf... > >>maybe I just got a bad > >>one? Or do they all need a little work to get > them > >>just right? > >> > >>Thanks for the advice. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > im too cool for y'all!!! > > > > i am matteo arthur luigi thorsteinn miller > nicolato > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > im "The Guy" - they call me kibbles... they call me maltmn, they call me Cat... sometimes i meow and sometimes i mew... and i cant play golf for the brim of my hat... my cat plays guitar by the way, i saw her one day... just in the corner of my room, getting swept by a broom... some people dont think this rhymes... its not spossed to....... meow...meow...prrr...meow....mee-yow! you might question if im a guy at first sight....mew! prrr... i solve Rubik's cube in 1 minute.... and i solve it faster behind my back... who really cares? perhaps my cat... my mom thinks im a lowbro retard...... ah well, thats life....dont read this, its just my signature..... speaking of signatures, i sign backwards.....it says meow... yea, ok, so bye for now.......... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thanks, Stefan. Great stuff. Note that my 12.11 was only 43 moves while this solve is 52 moves, even with PLL skip! Congratulations again to Leyan. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Well, now that I've executed it freely (i.e. staring at the cube, not > the solution alg) let me take the y out and also rearrange the > solution a bit (particularly the R2's belong to the following pair, > not the preceding): > > 1. Hold U=white, F=green > > 2. Scramble: > B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B > > 3. Preinspect: > y > > 4. Solve: > CRO: L l U R' y L' U > CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' > CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U > CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U > CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' > OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x > PLL: U' > > Also, for the cross of course I can only guess the exact execution > since it's not on the video. The rest of the solve is pretty much > exactly what Leyan did. Btw, F2L with 37 moves in about 8.23 seconds. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

If only the Animal Planet competition was official... Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:10 AM, mackymakisumi wrote: > Thanks, Stefan. Great stuff. > Note that my 12.11 was only 43 moves while this solve is 52 moves, > even with PLL skip! Congratulations again to Leyan. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: >> >> Well, now that I've executed it freely (i.e. staring at the cube, not >> the solution alg) let me take the y out and also rearrange the >> solution a bit (particularly the R2's belong to the following pair, >> not the preceding): >> >> 1. Hold U=white, F=green >> >> 2. Scramble: >> B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B >> >> 3. Preinspect: >> y >> >> 4. Solve: >> CRO: L l U R' y L' U >> CE1: x U R' U' R U R U' >> CE2: R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U >> CE3: R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U >> CE4: U R' U' R' U R2 U' >> OLL: z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x >> PLL: U' >> >> Also, for the cross of course I can only guess the exact execution >> since it's not on the video. The rest of the solve is pretty much >> exactly what Leyan did. Btw, F2L with 37 moves in about 8.23 seconds. >> >> Cheers! >> Stefan >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

HELLO Everyone I originally was planning on learning 2 algs for each case(COLL and CLL), but I have since given up that plan of action. Full COLL just isn't necessary for ROUX. At this point, I just want to finish the full table with 1 alg for each case. HERES my CAse T Orientation with twisted corners facing you(I have wierd corner configs). The two on the left need to switch. U (r'U')(RU)(rB'R'B) COLL U' (L'U'LU)(LF'L'F) CLL U2 (B'R'F)(RBR')(F'R) COLL U0: ? I think that there has to be something better. Originally I didn't want to learn any CMLL Algs, because I wanted to be able to do full CLL/ELL solves. Now I really like them. I want more. HEres a cool CMLL alg RU'(r'U2)(R2B')(R'BR') mirrored and inversed from GILLEs site (R2UR')B'(RU')(R2U)(RB'R') another cool CLL alg (its all RUB!) CAN ANYONE help me with CLL or CMLL algs?? The search continues... JAson K

Only took me a few seconds to realize I messed that up... =)

This is one of my favourite cases. U'FUF'U'l'U'l (do it with cube rotations, though) CMLL is very nice, especially some very fast cases. You're gonna wanna use a fast recognition technique and work out which corners are swapped over time, opposite way Gilles does it ;) That's what I'm doing, helps a lot in non-matching blocks. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@...> wrote: > > HELLO Everyone > > > I originally was planning on learning 2 algs for each case(COLL and > CLL), but I have since given up that plan of action. Full COLL just > isn't necessary for ROUX. > At this point, I just want to finish the full table with 1 alg for > each case. > > > HERES my CAse > T Orientation with twisted corners facing you(I have wierd corner > configs). The two on the left need to switch. > > U (r'U')(RU)(rB'R'B) COLL > U' (L'U'LU)(LF'L'F) CLL > U2 (B'R'F)(RBR')(F'R) COLL > > > U0: ? > > I think that there has to be something better. > > Originally I didn't want to learn any CMLL Algs, because I wanted to > be able to do full CLL/ELL solves. Now I really like them. I want more. > HEres a cool CMLL alg > > RU'(r'U2)(R2B')(R'BR') mirrored and inversed from GILLEs site > > (R2UR')B'(RU')(R2U)(RB'R') another cool CLL alg (its all RUB!) > > > CAN ANYONE help me with CLL or CMLL algs?? > > > The search continues... > > > JAson K >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > What's that in UDLRFB notation? > > Are all those x, y, z things meant to show his hand movements? > > /Lars Yeah, cube rotations... I always use this page to check algs I post, btw: http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp And I just found out I can write comments as "[...]" so here's the whole thing again but ready to copy and paste into that page: -------------------- start -------------------- [1. Hold U=white, F=green] x2 y [2. Scramble:] B L2 R' D U F' L R U2 L2 U' R' B F D' F2 L' D' L' F' L' R2 D U' B [3. Preinspect:] y [4. Solve:] [CRO:] L l U R' y L' U [CE1:] x U R' U' R U R U' [CE2:] R2' x2 U' R U R U' R2' U [CE3:] R2 x' R U' R' U R U' R' U [CE4:] U R' U' R' U R2 U' [OLL:] z' U U R' U' R U' R' U R U l U' R' U x [PLL:] U' --------------------- end --------------------- Oh, and ... were you joking or did you really not understand it? Cheers! Stefan

Does anyone here know how to disassemble the megaminx? I got mine online (where do you get anything good in China) and when I opened it it was impossible to turn (and one of the tiles fell off. >:|)

Anyhow, apparently megaminx algs are harder to find online than 3x3 algs... I did some searching and found one site which explained how to solve the LL, but to me it seemed really ineffective. Could anyone give me a link to a megaminx LL solution? All I really need is a list of the algs. I want a basic 4LLL, and I don't want to learn something and later find out that it'[s a bad system, so I figured I'd just ask. (also, if you have any tips for the minx pre-LL, feel free to give those too!) Thanks! David

I know two orient edges, some commutors for orient corners, a Niklas- like (the petrus move) for permute corners, but edges, well, I'm stuck there. You can do the Fridrich T and its inverse for the orient edges, commuter orient pairs of corners, and the Niklas (for me) has a backwards last move. In this case, Niklas actually cycles four corners around. How to do it faster... maybe Stefan can help out. ;)

Well David... In general, it can be interesting to read my page about commutators. (see www.solvethecube.co.uk). The part about cycling 3 corners also applies to the megaminx... And in fact, I use it to do the corner PLL, which is the last step in my megaminx LL. One LL method is described here: http://grant.tregay.net/cube/solutions/megaminx/index.html. I use a slightly different method (I think fewer algs): 1. Orient edges: With F RUR'R' F' and it's inverse. 2. Orient corners: With sunes, and some other 3x3 moves. 3. Posisitoin edges: With a couple of variations of the J permutations alg on the 3x3, by 'moving around' some CE pairs around the LL. 4. Position the corners, I do it like Grant Tregay does. If you want me to write down any of the algs I use, just tell me... - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David " <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Anyhow, apparently megaminx algs are harder to find online than 3x3 > algs... I did some searching and found one site which explained how to > solve the LL, but to me it seemed really ineffective. Could anyone > give me a link to a megaminx LL solution? All I really need is a list > of the algs. I want a basic 4LLL, and I don't want to learn something > and later find out that it'[s a bad system, so I figured I'd just ask. > > (also, if you have any tips for the minx pre-LL, feel free to give > those too!) > > Thanks! > > David >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > I know two orient edges, some commutors for orient corners, a Niklas- > like (the petrus move) for permute corners, but edges, well, I'm stuck > there. Maybe read pages showing how commutators work on a cube, and apply them to your megaminx?.. > > You can do the Fridrich T and its inverse for the orient edges, > commuter orient pairs of corners, and the Niklas (for me) has a > backwards last move. In this case, Niklas actually cycles four corners > around. How to do it faster... maybe Stefan can help out. ;) >

Hi, sorry I posted this too at blindfold group. My 2x2 accidentaly was taken apart. There are 3 axes which don't turn, 2 middle pieces with a longer side and 1 with a dent in it. Where must those peaces be? When I assemble it, the cube won't turn correctly. Please help

I use a longer "look" for these steps, and now that I've experimented a little in the last couple of hours, my new method goes as following: 1. Orient edges, if star point is facing towards you, the one in the top left will stay the same orientation, and the other four are oriented using FURU'R'F' or its inverse. (Fridrich algorithm) 2. Permute edges, line one up with its side, do a Sune but reposition that same edge. Now, keep on doing it until you get three of them properly in its place, then look at the other two. If they're correct, then move on. Depending on the Sune type you use (I use RUR'URU2R'[U2 ]) you'll have to perform this differently. For my Sune, go to the incorrect edge on the right, perform the Sune again, and do another U. 3. Permute corners, using Phillip Marshall Ultimate Solution's Corner Series. Two of the corners will stay stationary while the other three cycle. 4. Orient corners, using commutors. That's the easiest way for me, since it uses four algorithms that I know already.

Hello, I stumbled upon this site while trying to find the 2x2x2 mechanism: http://www.planet-puzzle.com/2x2x2_build.html This Japanese site has a lot of rebuilding things in it. -Tim

The 2x2x2 is a strange animal, indeed. The only puzzle I've seen with a less intuitive internal mechanism is the 1x1x1. On 2/24/06, Timothy Sun <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I stumbled upon this site while trying to find the 2x2x2 mechanism: > > http://www.planet-puzzle.com/2x2x2_build.html > > This Japanese site has a lot of rebuilding things in it. > > -Tim > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=irjrM9wdJDBnytECiSfUCw> Free > puzzle inlay games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=5IEF0wvHk31uvuXI6ReWEw> Educational > game and puzzle<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=37T2K_4zOte4R94IVKMFNQ> Word > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Word+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=3DsIilZKH4dSS_WgIx9QRg> Kid > puzzle game<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Kid+puzzle+game&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=2-DgzSlkRkTyIak1hdhkgQ> Puzzle > games<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Puzzle+games&w1=Jigsaw+puzzle+game&w2=Free+puzzle+inlay+games&w3=Educational+game+and+puzzle&w4=Word+puzzle+game&w5=Kid+puzzle+game&w6=Puzzle+games&c=6&s=147&.sig=EJHY58oeC85Up2uB7KhBMA> > ------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > - Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube>" > on the web. > > - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > > > ------------------------------ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > 2. Permute edges, line one up with its side, do a Sune but reposition > that same edge. Now, keep on doing it until you get three of them > properly in its place, then look at the other two. If they're correct, > then move on. And what do you do when they're not correct? Cheers! Stefan

THank you thom I think that CMLL can be the most efficient for cases where all pieces are permuted already. CoLLs I use sune, antisune, doublesune R'U2(RUR'U')(RUR'U')(RUR'U)R cll F(RUR'U')(RUR'U')F' (B'RB')(R2U)(RUR'U')(RB2) for my backwards T orientation I need something for the U orientation. as with the T, the twisted corners face towards you. THOM_1_what do you mean when you talk about corner recognition below? _2_ Can I steal your CMLL algs? I'm about 2/3 done with my table. Most of it is CLL, small % is COLL, and only 1 CMLL so far. (I love it though!) Thanks JASON --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > This is one of my favourite cases. > > U'FUF'U'l'U'l (do it with cube rotations, though) > > CMLL is very nice, especially some very fast cases. > > You're gonna wanna use a fast recognition technique and work out which > corners are swapped over time, opposite way Gilles does it ;) That's > what I'm doing, helps a lot in non-matching blocks. > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > <kovacic81@> wrote: > > > > HELLO Everyone > > > > > > I originally was planning on learning 2 algs for each case(COLL and > > CLL), but I have since given up that plan of action. Full COLL just > > isn't necessary for ROUX. > > At this point, I just want to finish the full table with 1 alg for > > each case. > > > > > > HERES my CAse > > T Orientation with twisted corners facing you(I have wierd corner > > configs). The two on the left need to switch. > > > > U (r'U')(RU)(rB'R'B) COLL > > U' (L'U'LU)(LF'L'F) CLL > > U2 (B'R'F)(RBR')(F'R) COLL > > > > > > U0: ? > > > > I think that there has to be something better. > > > > Originally I didn't want to learn any CMLL Algs, because I wanted to > > be able to do full CLL/ELL solves. Now I really like them. I want more. > > HEres a cool CMLL alg > > > > RU'(r'U2)(R2B')(R'BR') mirrored and inversed from GILLEs site > > > > (R2UR')B'(RU')(R2U)(RB'R') another cool CLL alg (its all RUB!) > > > > > > CAN ANYONE help me with CLL or CMLL algs?? > > > > > > The search continues... > > > > > > JAson K > > >

Hey everyone, Tomorrow at Harvard there will be a math competition for high school students, and one part of the schedule is mini-events that run in the afternoon. I have been invited to go to Harvard tomorrow to give a lecture to students about the cube. So I will give a presentation about some cube history, methods, how to derive the 4.3 x 10^19 configurations, and show a few pictures from competitions. The competition will provide 30 cubes, but I don't know if those are for participants to keep, or what they'll do with the cubes. The Harvard-MIT Math Tournament website is here: http://web.mit.edu/hmmt/ I will have pictures and (hopefully) videos that I can upload to my website after the events tomorrow. Happy cubing, Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

I just ordered one. Can this DYI cube be put together by a non-cube guru? Another words can anyone put this DYI cube together from scracth or does it require some cube expertise? --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Would it be bad form if I were to alert everyone > that the new white > cubes are in stock on rubiks.com? Because if it > would, I won't do it. > > Chris > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > I just ordered one. Can this DYI cube be put together > by a non-cube guru? Another words can anyone put this > DYI cube together from scracth or does it require some > cube expertise? It's easy, you just need to take more care to do things in the proper order. Cheers! Stefan

> I think that CMLL can be the most efficient for cases where all pieces > are permuted already. Why? CMLL buggers with permutation. 1) Do the alg backwards, look at the facelets you usually do for COLL, memorise :). 2) Of course you can steal my CMLL algs, but you're going to have to ask Gilles first, because I use all of his! :) The hardest thing in Gilles' table is that fact that some algs are missing and you have to work them out yourself by doing algs backwards, mirrored, in another dimension, etc. I'd much prefer if they were treated as 48 seperate algs. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" <kovacic81@...> wrote: > > THank you thom > > I think that CMLL can be the most efficient for cases where all pieces > are permuted already. > > CoLLs I use > sune, antisune, doublesune > R'U2(RUR'U')(RUR'U')(RUR'U)R > > cll > F(RUR'U')(RUR'U')F' > (B'RB')(R2U)(RUR'U')(RB2) for my backwards T orientation > I need something for the U orientation. > as with the T, the twisted corners face towards you. > > > THOM_1_what do you mean when you talk about corner recognition below? > _2_ Can I steal your CMLL algs? I'm about 2/3 done with my table. > Most of it is CLL, small % is COLL, and only 1 CMLL so far. (I love > it though!) > > Thanks JASON > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > This is one of my favourite cases. > > > > U'FUF'U'l'U'l (do it with cube rotations, though) > > > > CMLL is very nice, especially some very fast cases. > > > > You're gonna wanna use a fast recognition technique and work out which > > corners are swapped over time, opposite way Gilles does it ;) That's > > what I'm doing, helps a lot in non-matching blocks. > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "kovacic81" > > <kovacic81@> wrote: > > > > > > HELLO Everyone > > > > > > > > > I originally was planning on learning 2 algs for each case(COLL and > > > CLL), but I have since given up that plan of action. Full COLL just > > > isn't necessary for ROUX. > > > At this point, I just want to finish the full table with 1 alg for > > > each case. > > > > > > > > > HERES my CAse > > > T Orientation with twisted corners facing you(I have wierd corner > > > configs). The two on the left need to switch. > > > > > > U (r'U')(RU)(rB'R'B) COLL > > > U' (L'U'LU)(LF'L'F) CLL > > > U2 (B'R'F)(RBR')(F'R) COLL > > > > > > > > > U0: ? > > > > > > I think that there has to be something better. > > > > > > Originally I didn't want to learn any CMLL Algs, because I wanted to > > > be able to do full CLL/ELL solves. Now I really like them. I want > more. > > > HEres a cool CMLL alg > > > > > > RU'(r'U2)(R2B')(R'BR') mirrored and inversed from GILLEs site > > > > > > (R2UR')B'(RU')(R2U)(RB'R') another cool CLL alg (its all RUB!) > > > > > > > > > CAN ANYONE help me with CLL or CMLL algs?? > > > > > > > > > The search continues... > > > > > > > > > JAson K > > > > > >

Here's my MM solution: http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Megaminx%20Solution.doc MS word document, kinda big. If anyone wants to put this up somewhere more accessible, feel free. -Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David " <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Anyhow, apparently megaminx algs are harder to find online than 3x3 > algs... I did some searching and found one site which explained how to > solve the LL, but to me it seemed really ineffective. Could anyone > give me a link to a megaminx LL solution? All I really need is a list > of the algs. I want a basic 4LLL, and I don't want to learn something > and later find out that it'[s a bad system, so I figured I'd just ask. > > (also, if you have any tips for the minx pre-LL, feel free to give > those too!) > > Thanks! > > David >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > help. > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > I'm doing a set right now ... In which I just got a 27.xx solve a new PB. I use VH and ZBF2L algs which suit my style. I'm slow because I delay so much. I'm getting better and am going to learn empty slot algs that I got from a post here. Anyway the avg of 12 >> 46.03, 46.17, 40.14, 39.37, (49.48), (27.24), 42.58, 45.82, 32.09, 49.12, 41.24, 43.31 => 42.59 <== My Avg of 12

Hi Daniel! Thank you so much for sharing your method! I can definately use some of the algorithms from that file... I have one comment about the last step, in case you run into a three cycle. For a 3-cycle on the F face, like the ones on page 14 (at the bottom), try this: delta = R' / DR' / R epsilon = R' / DR / R algorithm: D / F / delta / F / epsilon / F2' / D' This way you need to insert/remove a corner only twice, using a setup move ;). Bye!! Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > Here's my MM solution: > http://members.cox.net/swedishlf/Megaminx%20Solution.doc > > MS word document, kinda big. If anyone wants to put this up somewhere > more accessible, feel free. > > -Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "David " > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > Anyhow, apparently megaminx algs are harder to find online than 3x3 > > algs... I did some searching and found one site which explained how to > > solve the LL, but to me it seemed really ineffective. Could anyone > > give me a link to a megaminx LL solution? All I really need is a list > > of the algs. I want a basic 4LLL, and I don't want to learn something > > and later find out that it'[s a bad system, so I figured I'd just ask. > > > > (also, if you have any tips for the minx pre-LL, feel free to give > > those too!) > > > > Thanks! > > > > David > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > For a 3-cycle on the F face, like the ones on page 14 (at the > bottom), try this: > > delta = R' / DR' / R > epsilon = R' / DR / R > > algorithm: D / F / delta / F / epsilon / F2' / D' You're happy with an 11-move alg when there's one with 9? Cheers! Stefan

nice times! im in the 50's range, what site did u use for ure alg's? i wanna learn them to get consistent 40's! thnx Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > help. > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > I'm doing a set right now ... In which I just got a 27.xx solve a new PB. I use VH and ZBF2L algs which suit my style. I'm slow because I delay so much. I'm getting better and am going to learn empty slot algs that I got from a post here. Anyway the avg of 12 >> 46.03, 46.17, 40.14, 39.37, (49.48), (27.24), 42.58, 45.82, 32.09, 49.12, 41.24, 43.31 => 42.59 <== My Avg of 12 SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ok stefan if you say so, I'll give it shot. Is there any part of the process I should be aware of or be extra careful of...thanks. --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> > wrote: > > > > I just ordered one. Can this DYI cube be put > together > > by a non-cube guru? Another words can anyone put > this > > DYI cube together from scracth or does it require > some > > cube expertise? > > It's easy, you just need to take more care to do > things in the proper > order. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

:O that's awesome. there's a rice competition tomorrow (same thing as harvard/mit, just in texas), but i don't think they have a cube thing. :-/ On 2/24/06, rubiks1938 <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Tomorrow at Harvard there will be a math competition for high school students, and one > part of the schedule is mini-events that run in the afternoon. I have been invited to go to > Harvard tomorrow to give a lecture to students about the cube. So I will give a > presentation about some cube history, methods, how to derive the 4.3 x 10^19 > configurations, and show a few pictures from competitions. The competition will provide > 30 cubes, but I don't know if those are for participants to keep, or what they'll do with the > cubes. > > The Harvard-MIT Math Tournament website is here: > http://web.mit.edu/hmmt/ > > I will have pictures and (hopefully) videos that I can upload to my website after the events > tomorrow. > > Happy cubing, > Andy > > http://andyscubepage.tk > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > help. > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > Hey guys, I'm about the same though my fastest single solve so far is 26.42, (using Fridrich method or CFOP) I've gotten a few other 26's and now often get high 20's. I can usually manage at least one or two high 20's solves a day. Best average is 34.14 but it's usually around 37/39. I'm curious about the empty slot F2L, I've heard about it before but I don't think I've seen any of the algs. Keith :)

Hey everyone, I just checked and saw that my WC Movie is now uploaded to Google Video. If you go to Google Video (www.google.com/video) and search for "rubik's" you can find it. It's 40 minutes long and may take a while to buffer. Have fun watching! Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

Hi, Does anyone know how to exchange corners UBR with UBL, and exchange edges UR with UL????...i know about "F", but is there an easier way to do it??? Can someone help me? ---Zarqa Malik---- p.s.Tyson=COOL...:D

(R' U) (R U') R2 y' R' U' R U y x R (U R') U' (R2 B') from cubezone.be :) On 2/24/06, zarqa156 <zarqa156@...> wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to exchange corners UBR with UBL, and exchange > edges UR with UL????...i know about "F", but is there an easier way to > do it??? Can someone help me? > > > ---Zarqa Malik---- > > p.s.Tyson=COOL...:D > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

I think pretty much the only thing you could do wrong is put the washer on the wrong side of the spring. It has to protect the plastic, not the screw head. Look here for a description of an earlier version: http://www.nascarjon.us/dyi.htm Haha, I just noticed even Jon spelled DIY wrong the same way :-) (though only in the URL) Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > Ok stefan if you say so, I'll give it shot. Is there > any part of the process I should be aware of or be > extra careful of...thanks. > > --- Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > <thunderpants16@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I just ordered one. Can this DYI cube be put > > together > > > by a non-cube guru? Another words can anyone put > > this > > > DYI cube together from scracth or does it require > > some > > > cube expertise? > > > > It's easy, you just need to take more care to do > > things in the proper > > order. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Speedcubing.com I'm learning Open Slot algs at http://www.puzzlingaddiction.com/Cube/f2l/ Traditional Algs at http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l_crossbottom_print.html I use case 1, 2, 5, and 7 ZB Algs (Case one is VH connected slots) At Hardwick's site on Speedcubing.com I'm learning COLL or use a 3 Look Last Layer for uncovered cases Dan Harris' Site is great too. Oh yea ... cubesmith.com for the new stickers that are on the way too! I still feel slow, like I can get so much faster ... I know I can do it :) So much hesitation and cube sticking :( --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > nice times! im in the 50's range, what site did u use for ure alg's? i wanna learn them to get consistent 40's! thnx > > Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" > <dbeyer816@> wrote: > > > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > > help. > > > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > > > > I'm doing a set right now ... In which I just got a 27.xx solve a new PB. > I use VH and ZBF2L algs which suit my style. I'm slow because I delay > so much. I'm getting better and am going to learn empty slot algs > that I got from a post here. > > Anyway the avg of 12 >> > > 46.03, 46.17, 40.14, 39.37, (49.48), (27.24), 42.58, 45.82, 32.09, > 49.12, 41.24, 43.31 => 42.59 <== My Avg of 12 >

thnx ill try that Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: Speedcubing.com I'm learning Open Slot algs at http://www.puzzlingaddiction.com/Cube/f2l/ Traditional Algs at http://www.speedcubing.com/f2l_crossbottom_print.html I use case 1, 2, 5, and 7 ZB Algs (Case one is VH connected slots) At Hardwick's site on Speedcubing.com I'm learning COLL or use a 3 Look Last Layer for uncovered cases Dan Harris' Site is great too. Oh yea ... cubesmith.com for the new stickers that are on the way too! I still feel slow, like I can get so much faster ... I know I can do it :) So much hesitation and cube sticking :( --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > nice times! im in the 50's range, what site did u use for ure alg's? i wanna learn them to get consistent 40's! thnx > > Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" > <dbeyer816@> wrote: > > > > I'm getting sub 30 solves now. I'm quite happy. Big thanks to > > Cubiks_Ruber for chatting w/ me while I practiced. He was a big big > > help. > > > > I'm sub 40 now and got two 28.xx solves today!! > > > > I'm doing a set right now ... In which I just got a 27.xx solve a new PB. > I use VH and ZBF2L algs which suit my style. I'm slow because I delay > so much. I'm getting better and am going to learn empty slot algs > that I got from a post here. > > Anyway the avg of 12 >> > > 46.03, 46.17, 40.14, 39.37, (49.48), (27.24), 42.58, 45.82, 32.09, > 49.12, 41.24, 43.31 => 42.59 <== My Avg of 12 > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" > <linkpoke@> wrote: > > > > 2. Permute edges, line one up with its side, do a Sune but > reposition > > that same edge. Now, keep on doing it until you get three of them > > properly in its place, then look at the other two. If they're > correct, > > then move on. > > And what do you do when they're not correct? > > Cheers! > Stefan > Oops, was just trying on one this morning. Figured out that you do the Sune until the one on the right is correct, turn the thing so that you're facing the right side, and keep on doing it until you get all the edges in the right place.

1 minute 13.37 seconds http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Where did you find that shirt? ;P -Mike On 2/24/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh my god! You memorized in about 26 and solved in about 47! You're a robot! That was amazing!!!! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > Where did you find that shirt? ;P > > -Mike > > On 2/24/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Wow that was impressive! Haha I like the smile at the very end! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Oh my god! You memorized in about 26 and solved in about 47! > You're a robot! That was amazing!!!! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikeisadumbname@> wrote: > > > > Where did you find that shirt? ;P > > > > -Mike > > > > On 2/24/06, Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Holy cow........

Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Did you laugh because it was such a fast time or because it was a 1337 time :D awesome vid... - Koen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology >

ei!!! anybody here who knows what website is the easiest to understand and the fastest blindfolded method??? i would really appreciate it. thanks, keep on cubing!! JB

http://cube.misto.cz/_MAIL_/corners.html I googled and found this. I can solve corners first in 15 minutes after looking at that. This can be a great mehtod. My teacher showed me his old method (Corners first just yesterday, so I decided to take a look. This is awsome. Are there any other sites that are faster? I just use COLL algs. I'm gonna practice this method now. I've gotten sub 30 w/ Cross first, sub 40 w/ Petrus. Not the fastest but I want to learn, so all you familiar with the cube take a look at this great site.

Oh, man...that's unbeliavable...Tyson, you're not human...definetly...haha Pedro Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: 1 minute 13.37 seconds http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And you're going to give us the scramble, right? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeee Pedro Pedro <pedrosino1@...> escreveu: Oh, man...that's unbeliavable...Tyson, you're not human...definetly...haha Pedro Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: 1 minute 13.37 seconds http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://rubikscube.info/ has some methods. On 2/25/06, Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > http://cube.misto.cz/_MAIL_/corners.html > > I googled and found this. I can solve corners first in 15 minutes > after looking at that. This can be a great mehtod. My teacher showed > me his old method (Corners first just yesterday, so I decided to take > a look. This is awsome. > > Are there any other sites that are faster? I just use COLL algs. I'm > gonna practice this method now. I've gotten sub 30 w/ Cross first, > sub 40 w/ Petrus. > > Not the fastest but I want to learn, so all you familiar with the > cube take a look at this great site. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David " <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Anyhow, apparently megaminx algs are harder to find online than 3x3 > algs... I did some searching and found one site which explained how to > solve the LL, but to me it seemed really ineffective. Could anyone > give me a link to a megaminx LL solution? All I really need is a list > of the algs. I want a basic 4LLL, and I don't want to learn something > and later find out that it'[s a bad system, so I figured I'd just ask. > > (also, if you have any tips for the minx pre-LL, feel free to give > those too!) > > Thanks! > > David > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner edge- pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o any algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy setup moves. Works for me.

get VLC player from http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ it plays everything. On 2/25/06, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > Ehy do u have the movie in wav format or what ever the other one is... i cant view it > > Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: And you're going to give us the scramble, right? > pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeee > > Pedro > > Pedro <pedrosino1@yahoo.com.br> escreveu: > Oh, man...that's unbeliavable...Tyson, you're not human...definetly...haha > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Hey Stefan, Well.. Yes I am happy with this alg... But what's the 9 move alg? :D :D - Joël --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > For a 3-cycle on the F face, like the ones on page 14 (at the > > bottom), try this: > > > > delta = R' / DR' / R > > epsilon = R' / DR / R > > > > algorithm: D / F / delta / F / epsilon / F2' / D' > > You're happy with an 11-move alg when there's one with 9? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Wow, Tyson!! Imagine doing that 5+2 seconds faster!! Whahaahah, I am just kidding Tyson, really. It's very cool to see you do this so fast. Nice work! - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology >

Joël, Well.. If you are a speedcuber, and you know what cycles are, the easiest method to get reasonable times would be this one: http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3/ Of course others might have other opinions about this, but I think this method is a method that enables you to memorise and solve efficiently, and once you are blindfolded, you don't have to think about anything at all. You just execute what you planned. I might be difficult to understand the method... If you need help, meet me on MSN: joel_vn [at] hotmail [dot] com. I like to help you. Here is another site that describes another method: http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/blindfoldcubing.html Good luck! Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ben41sbr2" <ben41sbr2@...> wrote: > > ei!!! > > anybody here who knows what website is the easiest to understand and > the fastest blindfolded method??? i would really appreciate it. > thanks, keep on cubing!! > > JB >

> Joël, > Where did that come from?! Sorry about that... I meant JB!!

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" <erik_jernqvist@...> wrote: > > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the > megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner edge- > pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o any > algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy setup > moves. Works for me. Another entry for the "you know you've been cubing to much if ..." list: ... if you realize that the above algorithm does nothing except U', just by looking at it (i.e. before actually trying it on a real Megaminx). But I understand the idea, and I'll try it. I've been interested in something very similar already, and I should finally find out how to solve those last 6 edges (5 for 3x3) directly... Cheers! Stefan

Hey http://www.rubikscuberecord.com/ also describes a good system for the corners... I use that one for the 2x2... Not a lot of algorithms, but very efficient. You can combine it with other methods/ or change the order of the steps in special cases, to be even faster. And, being color neutral is very easy with this method: the patterns are very easy to recognise if you start with other colors, so you can always choose the easiest cases during preinspection. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > http://cube.misto.cz/_MAIL_/corners.html > > I googled and found this. I can solve corners first in 15 minutes > after looking at that. This can be a great mehtod. My teacher showed > me his old method (Corners first just yesterday, so I decided to take > a look. This is awsome. > > Are there any other sites that are faster? I just use COLL algs. I'm > gonna practice this method now. I've gotten sub 30 w/ Cross first, > sub 40 w/ Petrus. > > Not the fastest but I want to learn, so all you familiar with the > cube take a look at this great site. >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > Well.. Yes I am happy with this alg... But what's the 9 move > alg? :D :D > > - Joël Yeah, it *is* good. I'm gonna try your way for 3-cycles. Very easy yet fast. The 9 move alg works the same way the corner-3-cycle PLL works in 9 moves, so if you understand that one then you should be able to translate it to Megaminx :-) Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hey Stefan, > > > > Well.. Yes I am happy with this alg... But what's the 9 move > > alg? :D :D > > > > - Joël > > Yeah, it *is* good. I'm gonna try your way for 3-cycles. Very easy yet > fast. It also works nicely for a double-swap... so in 35 out of 60 cases it saves 5 moves for permuting corners (not for the 24 five-cycles and the solved case). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" <erik_jernqvist@...> wrote: > > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the > megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner edge- > pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o any > algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy setup > moves. Works for me. > Can you tell how many moves you need on average for the edges and how many for corners? I just tried one solve and corners were I think lucky, 18 moves (two 3-cycles). But edges took me way too long I think (I didn't count...). Cheers! Stefan

Thanks for the help Sapan....it's helpful. Zarqa --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > (R' U) (R U') R2 y' R' U' R U y x R (U R') U' (R2 B') > > from cubezone.be > > :) > > On 2/24/06, zarqa156 <zarqa156@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know how to exchange corners UBR with UBL, and exchange > > edges UR with UL????...i know about "F", but is there an easier way to > > do it??? Can someone help me? > > > > > > ---Zarqa Malik---- > > > > p.s.Tyson=COOL...:D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -cubekid >

Greetings. I've been away, moving to Ohio. Anyways, what is the recommended way to learn COLL? Should I start with correctly permutated cases for the 6 formations or learn them as batches (i.e. all 6 T cases, then 6 U cases, etc.). As a side, I got a solve in 2 min 9 seconds, a personal best. The breakdown was cross 14 secs, F2L 1 min 26 and OLL/PLL 29 secs. Obviously, my F2L needs a lot of work. Thanks. Roger Wood

I'd say in "batches"...though I'm no COLL expert as I know around 15 cases myself and forget them regularly. Judging from your times, I'd say you need more practice before you move on to COLL. Make sure everything is solid and that you're doing it all in under a minute before you learn 40 new algorithms. Good luck! Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stacie Wood" <pawsnwhiskers@...> wrote: > > Greetings. > > I've been away, moving to Ohio. > > Anyways, what is the recommended way to learn COLL? Should I start > with correctly permutated cases for the 6 formations or learn them as > batches (i.e. all 6 T cases, then 6 U cases, etc.). > > As a side, I got a solve in 2 min 9 seconds, a personal best. The > breakdown was cross 14 secs, F2L 1 min 26 and OLL/PLL 29 secs. > Obviously, my F2L needs a lot of work. > > Thanks. > > Roger Wood >

Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it...

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42 cube marathon in 13 minutes 6 seconds. That's 18.71 seconds per cube. 3 in a row average 49.37 seconds, and best time 44.90. Average's times: (45.53) 51.14 48.68 46.43 51.93 49.24 (53.42) 48.71 52.87 48.82 45.93 49.91 Even the worst time is sub-55.

I'm up to the point where two sets of edges are incorrect. Is there any easy (I don't care if it's slow) method of doing this?

Wow, that's good. A couple of weeks ago my single solve average was at that. :P That marathon time is insane, though.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy Sun" <linkpoke@...> wrote: > > Wow, that's good. A couple of weeks ago my single solve average was at > that. :P > > That marathon time is insane, though. > I just improved it to 13 minutes 5 seconds. I must do sub-13 today.

I broke the record again: 12 minutes 20 seconds! About 17.62 seconds per cube. Thanks to Brent for the inspiration.

ei, thanks! i really appreciate it, ill check this sites out. i am currently sub 23 and quite frankly i am aslo currently fed up with single solves using the 3x3, i like to explore other categories like the one-handed, blindfolded, but i don't know about solving with feet. i'll ask some questions if there are some parts that needs questions. and again, thanks! your currently no.10 on the world ranking right? keep on cubing!! JB --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Joël, > > Well.. If you are a speedcuber, and you know what cycles are, the > easiest method to get reasonable times would be this one: > > http://www.stefan-pochmann.de/spocc/blindsolving/3x3/ > > Of course others might have other opinions about this, but I think > this method is a method that enables you to memorise and solve > efficiently, and once you are blindfolded, you don't have to think > about anything at all. You just execute what you planned. > > I might be difficult to understand the method... If you need help, > meet me on MSN: joel_vn [at] hotmail [dot] com. I like to help you. > > Here is another site that describes another method: > > http://cubefreak.hp.infoseek.co.jp/blindfoldcubing.html > > Good luck! > > Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "ben41sbr2" > <ben41sbr2@> wrote: > > > > ei!!! > > > > anybody here who knows what website is the easiest to understand and > > the fastest blindfolded method??? i would really appreciate it. > > thanks, keep on cubing!! > > > > JB > > >

Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for linux? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. .. >

The JNetCube runs on linux as well. though i have myself never tried it. You just have to install the Java Runtime Environment on linux and it works. As for stephens question, any application with buttons,graphics and stuff can be made in any linux dev environments like Qt or KDevelop. Sachin. On 2/26/06, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for > linux? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. > .. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a graphical library. I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works fine under linux. Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for > linux? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. > .. > > >

right now im trying to put some more stuff in it like having it make seesion averages and stuff. If you want to make a timer easily I would reccommend learning Visual Basic. In linux i used a program called "Gambas" and it is basically Visual Basic but for Linux. I wrote a timer for linux because the timer that is given on www.rubiks.dk only works in internet exlporer (well it works with Mozilla, but the sounds don't really work) and Linux doenst use Internet Explorer. And the other files on the yahoo speedcubing groups were made for windows and won't owrk on linux so i just decided to make my own. I'm gonna try to ask permission to use the sound files from the rubiks.dk timer so i can put it into the linux timer so it can have sound. here is what my newest version of it looks like. I just need to fix a small problem with the scrmabling algorithms: http://i1.tinypic.com/okodx5.png Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for linux? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. .. > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Ron already mentioned it in a mail to the people we know/suspect to come to the upcoming German Cube Day, now I'd like to give a little more detail... The German Cube Day will be on a Saturday. Only seldomly do I have the chance to meet other cubers in real life. So when I do, I'd like to get the most out of it. That's why I've decided to stay on Sunday as well, and I'll be very happy if others do the same so we can spend some more time together. I have booked my trains already. I will arrive Friday April 21 at 15:03. I will leave Sunday April 23 at 19:09. I have also reserved five two-bed-rooms in the youth hostel for the night from Saturday to Sunday. It costs 18 Euros per person (*) not including dinner/breakfast which cost about 3.50 Euros extra each if you want it. Please let me know as soon as you know whether you'd like to stay until Sunday as well. I can still cancel or add rooms, but the earlier I know the better. If you want to make it depend on others, e.g. "I'd like to stay if at least N others stay" that's ok, just let me know so I can collect and combine this data. I understand that reasoning, that's why I took the first step so you know at least one cuber (me) *will* be there. You can reach me at "pochmann at gmx dot de", please use "GCD" as email subject. (*) The 15 Euros is our overall average I was told for our main night Friday to Saturday. Normally beds in the large rooms cost a little less and in small rooms a little more. Sorry if that caused confusion. Cheers! Stefan Pochmann

Well ... :-) Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > graphical library. > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > fine under linux. > > Sven > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for > > linux? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. > > .. > > > > > >

most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file structure and stuff..lol Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Well ... :-) Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > graphical library. > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > fine under linux. > > Sven > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the last > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically for > > linux? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt to > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs it. > > .. > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ron, 5 - L' f b' (Rrl)2 (Ll)' (Dd)' R' U R U' (Dd) (Ll) Have fun, Frédérick --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Frédérick, > > Cool algorithm! > But how do you easily set up this 9 cycle? And what if there is a 5 cycle > instead of a 9 cycle? > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frédérick BADIE" <f_badie@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:06 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 4*4*4 : 9 pairs of edge at once > > > > Hi, > > > > I use this alg to solve 9 pairs of edge at once : > > > > L' F' U (Rr)' (Dd)' D' U' R U D R' (Dd) (Rr) > > > > 9 pairs is a max, 8 more often. > > The first 3 moves don't touch the edge-pair, but it's an help to > > preposition them. > > > > Frédérick. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

or 5 - L' d u' (Rrl)2 (Ll)' (Dd)' R' U R U' (Dd) (Ll) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frédérick BADIE <f_badie@...> wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > 5 - L' f b' (Rrl)2 (Ll)' (Dd)' R' U R U' (Dd) (Ll) > > Have fun, > Frédérick > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" > <ron@> wrote: > > > > Frédérick, > > > > Cool algorithm! > > But how do you easily set up this 9 cycle? And what if there is a 5 > cycle > > instead of a 9 cycle? > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frédérick BADIE" <f_badie@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:06 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 4*4*4 : 9 pairs of edge at once > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I use this alg to solve 9 pairs of edge at once : > > > > > > L' F' U (Rr)' (Dd)' D' U' R U D R' (Dd) (Rr) > > > > > > 9 pairs is a max, 8 more often. > > > The first 3 moves don't touch the edge-pair, but it's an help to > > > preposition them. > > > > > > Frédérick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

oh. I got like 14% geekish tendencies. im not a geek either. -parth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well I'm pretty sure that the program you made will not be compatible with Windows since Gambas (and its libraries) seems to be only available under Linux (but I might be mistaken). Stefan, you are right you can use GTK+ or/and QT programmed GUI under Windows as long as you have the associed libraries and you recompile the program for Windows (as windows executable are different from Linux ones). It's probably also compatible with cygwin (without recompiling it). Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file structure and stuff..lol > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Well ... :-) > > Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I > really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for > linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe > most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, > no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of > these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on > both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > > graphical library. > > > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > > fine under linux. > > > > Sven > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the > last > > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically > for > > > linux? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt > to > > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs > it. > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Gambas is the Visual Basic of Linux. Before I got my stackmat, I used JNetCube, no problems... And a little advice... don't use kubuntu, go slackware or something, it treats you like a kid.... ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Well I'm pretty sure that the program you made will not be compatible > with Windows since Gambas (and its libraries) seems to be only > available under Linux (but I might be mistaken). > > Stefan, you are right you can use GTK+ or/and QT programmed GUI under > Windows as long as you have the associed libraries and you recompile > the program for Windows (as windows executable are different from > Linux ones). It's probably also compatible with cygwin (without > recompiling it). > > Sven > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most > popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop > environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the > command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for > windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats > what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The > exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file > structure and stuff..lol > > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@> wrote: Well ... :-) > > > > Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I > > really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for > > linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe > > most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, > > no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of > > these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on > > both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > > > graphical library. > > > > > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > > > fine under linux. > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the > > last > > > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically > > for > > > > linux? > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt > > to > > > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs > > it. > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle > game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational game and puzzle > Word > puzzle game Kid puzzle game > Puzzle games > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Thnx for that. I didnt kno about JnetCube, but now i do so im prob gonna start using it now. I guess ill end the development of my program lol sgowal <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well I'm pretty sure that the program you made will not be compatible with Windows since Gambas (and its libraries) seems to be only available under Linux (but I might be mistaken). Stefan, you are right you can use GTK+ or/and QT programmed GUI under Windows as long as you have the associed libraries and you recompile the program for Windows (as windows executable are different from Linux ones). It's probably also compatible with cygwin (without recompiling it). Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file structure and stuff..lol > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Well ... :-) > > Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I > really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for > linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe > most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, > no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of > these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on > both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > > graphical library. > > > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > > fine under linux. > > > > Sven > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the > last > > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically > for > > > linux? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt > to > > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs > it. > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

no no, don't end development. just cause other people have things doesn't mean you can't write one. i mean, if nothing else, it would be good practice in programming. even though jnetcube is awesome, what's the harm in writing your own timer? On 2/26/06, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > Thnx for that. I didnt kno about JnetCube, but now i do so im prob gonna start using it now. I guess ill end the development of my program lol > > sgowal <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well I'm pretty sure that the program you made will not be compatible > with Windows since Gambas (and its libraries) seems to be only > available under Linux (but I might be mistaken). > > Stefan, you are right you can use GTK+ or/and QT programmed GUI under > Windows as long as you have the associed libraries and you recompile > the program for Windows (as windows executable are different from > Linux ones). It's probably also compatible with cygwin (without > recompiling it). > > Sven > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham > <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > > > most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most > popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop > environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the > command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for > windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats > what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The > exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file > structure and stuff..lol > > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Well ... :-) > > > > Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I > > really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for > > linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe > > most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, > > no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of > > these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on > > both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > > > graphical library. > > > > > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > > > fine under linux. > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the > > last > > > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer specifically > > for > > > > linux? > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an attempt > > to > > > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone needs > > it. > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle > game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational game and puzzle > Word > puzzle game Kid puzzle game > Puzzle games > > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

and...when I wrote JNetCube, there were plenty of other timers out there. Maybe everyone will like yours better and you will replace it! With programming, reinventing the wheel is usually a lot of fun because it trains you for the days when you decide to build something truly unique. Besides that, it's always fun to use your own stuff rather than programs written by other people :) -Chris On 2/26/06, Sapan Upadhyay <cubekid@...> wrote: > > no no, don't end development. just cause other people have things > doesn't mean you can't write one. i mean, if nothing else, it would be > good practice in programming. even though jnetcube is awesome, what's > the harm in writing your own timer? > > On 2/26/06, Hai Pham <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > Thnx for that. I didnt kno about JnetCube, but now i do so im prob gonna > start using it now. I guess ill end the development of my program lol > > > > sgowal <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well I'm pretty sure that > the program you made will not be compatible > > with Windows since Gambas (and its libraries) seems to be only > > available under Linux (but I might be mistaken). > > > > Stefan, you are right you can use GTK+ or/and QT programmed GUI under > > Windows as long as you have the associed libraries and you recompile > > the program for Windows (as windows executable are different from > > Linux ones). It's probably also compatible with cygwin (without > > recompiling it). > > > > Sven > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Hai Pham > > <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > > > > > most linux OS' these days come with either one of the two most > > popular gui's. KDE desktop environment and/or Gnome desktop > > environment. Not many linux distro's these day's come with only the > > command line interface. But this timer I made will not work for > > windows cuz it's not in a .exe format so wont run in windows if thats > > what u were asking.... im dong kinda understand your question lol. The > > exe files that windows has wont run in linux because of the file > > structure and stuff..lol > > > > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Well ... :-) > > > > > > Does "linux" really come with a standard graphical interface? What I > > > really meant was that I'm curious how you would create a timer for > > > linux that can *not* be used on let's say Windows. Cause I believe > > > most (or even all?) GUI's for linux are also available for Windows, > > > no? And I think most programming languages are available for both of > > > these OSs, too, so I'd expect a simple program like this to work on > > > both (at least the source code)... But I don't know Gambas... > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, sgowal <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think by "specifically for linux", he meant using GTK+ as a > > > > graphical library. > > > > > > > > I also do not see why one should need such a timer! JNetCube works > > > > fine under linux. > > > > > > > > Sven > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I've been *wanting* to install linux on my laptop for the > > > last > > > > > three years :-). Hey, how/why does one write a timer > specifically > > > for > > > > > linux? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" > > > > > <aznboi1234321@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone use linux on their computer? I have made an > attempt > > > to > > > > > > make a linux timer and i have a screenshot here: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://i1.tinypic.com/ok0ljd.png > > > > > > > > > > > > I will upload the files to the yahoogroups files if anyone > needs > > > it. > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Jigsaw puzzle > > game Free puzzle inlay games > > Educational game and puzzle > > Word > > puzzle game Kid puzzle game > > Puzzle games > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > I broke the record again: 12 minutes 20 seconds! > About 17.62 seconds per cube. Thanks to Brent for the inspiration. You should tell these guys how dumb they are: http://tinyurl.com/z4hst Wow, it also made its way to rubiks.com: http://tinyurl.com/fjljm Cheers! Stefan

> You should tell these guys how dumb they are: > http://tinyurl.com/z4hst Mmh, let me be a little more polite. Please replace "dumb" with "ignorant" or "naive". Cheers! Stefan

Hi Stefan! Me and Kåre will be there from Thursday to Sunday. Our flight arrives to Düsseldorf April 20, 1:55pm, so I guess we will be in Gütersloh 2-3 hours after that. Our flight back home leaves Düsseldorf at 4:10pm so I guess we're leaving around 12am on april 23. Are you saying that you are arranging the bookings of the rooms, or should I do that myself?? I'm really looking forward to thiscompetition, and to meet a lot of non-swedish cubers. I haven't been able to cube lately because my right thumb and lower arm is aching, but it's getting better so I'm ready to turn a few faces. :-) /Gunnar Krig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Ron already mentioned it in a mail to the people we know/suspect to > come to the upcoming German Cube Day, now I'd like to give a little > more detail... > > The German Cube Day will be on a Saturday. Only seldomly do I have the > chance to meet other cubers in real life. So when I do, I'd like to > get the most out of it. That's why I've decided to stay on Sunday as > well, and I'll be very happy if others do the same so we can spend > some more time together. I have booked my trains already. > > I will arrive Friday April 21 at 15:03. > I will leave Sunday April 23 at 19:09. > > I have also reserved five two-bed-rooms in the youth hostel for the > night from Saturday to Sunday. It costs 18 Euros per person (*) not > including dinner/breakfast which cost about 3.50 Euros extra each if > you want it. Please let me know as soon as you know whether you'd like > to stay until Sunday as well. I can still cancel or add rooms, but the > earlier I know the better. > > If you want to make it depend on others, e.g. "I'd like to stay if at > least N others stay" that's ok, just let me know so I can collect and > combine this data. I understand that reasoning, that's why I took the > first step so you know at least one cuber (me) *will* be there. > > You can reach me at "pochmann at gmx dot de", please use "GCD" as > email subject. > > (*) The 15 Euros is our overall average I was told for our main night > Friday to Saturday. Normally beds in the large rooms cost a little > less and in small rooms a little more. Sorry if that caused confusion. > > Cheers! > Stefan Pochmann >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > > I remember reading that (sorry cant remember who wrote it) it takes them around 20 moves average on f2l > is that tru for everbody that does isub 30s? > it takes me average 28-30 moves > Do u guys use the fredrich or some "Super complex/dangerous f2l shortcuts" like the ones on puzzling addiction . I remeber people also saying that they arent very comfortable and dangerous (if u mess up )since you move the cross layer. They rather do the 8 move to slot the pairs in > I use some but i rarely get around 20 moves. even without aligning and then reconizing what to do. > so what do you guys do? > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Fridrich says on her page that it takes her about 35 moves for the f2l (7 moves per cross and corner-edge pair up). 28 moves is really great, if you can do it fast. I can normally do the f2l quicker if I can plan a 2x2x2 during the inspection time.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" > <erik_jernqvist@> wrote: > > > > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the > > megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner edge- > > pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o any > > algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy setup > > moves. Works for me. > > > > Can you tell how many moves you need on average for the edges and how > many for corners? I just tried one solve and corners were I think > lucky, 18 moves (two 3-cycles). But edges took me way too long I think > (I didn't count...). > > Cheers! > Stefan > I did 10 solves with the edges, and I got these results (in moves): 12, 20, 19, 11, 12, 19, 12, 13, 16, 11 Avarage: 14.5 moves (I think) Try to position edges in the top layer while bringing bad edges down in the slot. My megaminx kills my wrists.

I average about 30 moves for F2L, and my average for the whole cube is under 16 seconds. Yes, I don't use all the ones from puzzling adiction... I prefer to use a lot of two generator moves. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > > I remember reading that (sorry cant remember who wrote it) it takes them around 20 moves average on f2l > is that tru for everbody that does isub 30s? > it takes me average 28-30 moves > Do u guys use the fredrich or some "Super complex/dangerous f2l shortcuts" like the ones on puzzling addiction . I remeber people also saying that they arent very comfortable and dangerous (if u mess up )since you move the cross layer. They rather do the 8 move to slot the pairs in > I use some but i rarely get around 20 moves. even without aligning and then reconizing what to do. > so what do you guys do? > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I bought a 4x4 minicube from mefferts recently. I loosened it to spray it, and i accidently let a bunch of pieces fall off... hmm. I am bad at putting stuff back together (not a very good engineer -.-). The directions that come with it are very confusing becacuse the person who wrote it was not fluent in English. So. Does anybody have a link that will explain to me how to reassemble this cube? If no such page exists, don't worry about it.. I'll just struggle through it -_-. I just figured that if someone had already written directions, it'd be nice to have. Thanks David __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one person...hahahaha) Pedro Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: 1 minute 13.37 seconds http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Macky's page: http://tinyurl.com/sy88j Good luck! Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I bought a 4x4 minicube from mefferts recently. I loosened it to spray it, and i accidently let a bunch of pieces fall off... hmm. I am bad at putting stuff back together (not a very good engineer -.- ). The directions that come with it are very confusing becacuse the person who wrote it was not fluent in English. > > So. Does anybody have a link that will explain to me how to reassemble this cube? > > If no such page exists, don't worry about it.. I'll just struggle through it -_-. I just figured that if someone had already written directions, it'd be nice to have. > > Thanks > > David > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" <erik_jernqvist@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" > > <erik_jernqvist@> wrote: > > > > > > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the > > > megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner > edge- > > > pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o > any > > > algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy > setup > > > moves. Works for me. > > > > > > > Can you tell how many moves you need on average for the edges and > how > > many for corners? I just tried one solve and corners were I think > > lucky, 18 moves (two 3-cycles). But edges took me way too long I > think > > (I didn't count...). > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > I did 10 solves with the edges, and I got these results (in moves): > 12, 20, 19, 11, 12, 19, 12, 13, 16, 11 > Avarage: 14.5 moves (I think) > Try to position edges in the top layer while bringing bad edges down > in the slot. My megaminx kills my wrists. > Thanks! I also did 10 solves now and this is what I got: 12 12 13 12 14 9 8 9 20 23 I'm so annoyed by the costly mistakes at the end that I refuse to compute the average :-) But I was terribly slow, I think mainly getting used to the relative order of the edges is hard for me now. I'll practice this further, it does look very good. Hey Per, any hints how I can solve some corners along the last edges on the fly? Cheers! Stefan

Hi David, Macky's page is very nice for nice.. I also used it. Important is: even if just a few pieces came out, its not a good idea to assamble the cube by sqeezing the parts in (like on some other puzzles). You have to use a screwdriver to take at least one screw of one of the centres out, then fit in the other pieces. Good luck! Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I bought a 4x4 minicube from mefferts recently. I loosened it to spray it, and i accidently let a bunch of pieces fall off... hmm. I am bad at putting stuff back together (not a very good engineer -.- ). The directions that come with it are very confusing becacuse the person who wrote it was not fluent in English. > > So. Does anybody have a link that will explain to me how to reassemble this cube? > > If no such page exists, don't worry about it.. I'll just struggle through it -_-. I just figured that if someone had already written directions, it'd be nice to have. > > Thanks > > David > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Ron already mentioned it in a mail to the people we know/suspect to > come to the upcoming German Cube Day, now I'd like to give a little > more detail... > > The German Cube Day will be on a Saturday. Only seldomly do I have the > chance to meet other cubers in real life. So when I do, I'd like to > get the most out of it. Yes! I know what you are saying... That's why I didn't get much sleep in Florida... Not because I love being tired and having jet lags :). But in this case, I think I'll just have to do whatever the Dutch guys do... That's probably easier for me. I am looking forward to seeing you again! - Joël.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan! > > Me and Kåre will be there from Thursday to Sunday. Our flight arrives > to Düsseldorf April 20, 1:55pm, so I guess we will be in Gütersloh 2-3 > hours after that. Our flight back home leaves Düsseldorf at 4:10pm so > I guess we're leaving around 12am on april 23. Are you saying that you > are arranging the bookings of the rooms, or should I do that myself? Hi Gunnar, well... Ron asked me to reserve rooms at the youth hostel, so I'm doing that part, but Ron keeps track of who wants beds/rooms of those that we have reserved. That's because not everybody wants to stay at the youth hostel or doesn't know yet or whatever. So far I have reserved 41 beds for the main night from Friday to Saturday. Earlier today Ron sent an email to the people already registered. I can see Kare but I don't see you, so maybe you didn't get that email? Kare is also listed with "NO BED", so if you want that changed, let Ron know. I have also reserved 10 beds (5 double rooms) for the night from Saturday to Sunday, since I was hoping some others might stay with me. I haven't reserved beds for the night Thursday to Friday yet, though I probably will soon. Ron has asked me about it because 6-10 Hungarians will arrive Thursday night (and leave Sunday morning). Cheers! Stefan

Hi! I saw the mail a moment ago. I wasn't on the list, but I mailed Ron about rooms so I'll just wait and see what he answers. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan! > > > > Me and Kåre will be there from Thursday to Sunday. Our flight > arrives > > to Düsseldorf April 20, 1:55pm, so I guess we will be in Gütersloh > 2-3 > > hours after that. Our flight back home leaves Düsseldorf at 4:10pm > so > > I guess we're leaving around 12am on april 23. Are you saying that > you > > are arranging the bookings of the rooms, or should I do that myself? > > > Hi Gunnar, > > well... Ron asked me to reserve rooms at the youth hostel, so I'm > doing that part, but Ron keeps track of who wants beds/rooms of those > that we have reserved. That's because not everybody wants to stay at > the youth hostel or doesn't know yet or whatever. > > So far I have reserved 41 beds for the main night from Friday to > Saturday. Earlier today Ron sent an email to the people already > registered. I can see Kare but I don't see you, so maybe you didn't > get that email? Kare is also listed with "NO BED", so if you want that > changed, let Ron know. > > I have also reserved 10 beds (5 double rooms) for the night from > Saturday to Sunday, since I was hoping some others might stay with me. > I haven't reserved beds for the night Thursday to Friday yet, though I > probably will soon. Ron has asked me about it because 6-10 Hungarians > will arrive Thursday night (and leave Sunday morning). > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hey everyone, It seems that a few people couldn't get on to Google Video yesterday, and couldn't view my movie. It's working again now, and I am wondering if anyone else has been able to view it from Google Video. When you get there, just search for "camann" and my movie will come up. Have fun! Andy http://andyscubepage.tk

hi, i joined this group today and just wanted to introduce myself. my name is kyle simmons, im from Toronto Canada. i began solving the rubik's cube about nine months ago. im not a really serious speedcuber, in that i dont go to competitions, but im not that fast anyway. thats is one reason i joined this group. the other is that there is only one other kid that can solve the cube in my area. he godsolves anyway. my current records are as follows: 2x2x2 - 19 sec. 2x2x2 - 53 sec.(one hand) 3x3x3 - 49 sec. 3x3x3 - aprox 5 mins(one hand) 4x4x4 - only solved once 5x5x5 - only solved 4 times.(about 40 mins) so im not really very good yet but my goal is to get to about 30 sec. for 3x3x3. i dont really practice much for anything else. -kyle simmons __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca

I watched it a few days ago off google with no trouble at all. Thanks for providing a means to your video for those of us with out any way to download a torrent :) Nice video. -Chris On 2/26/06, rubiks1938 <rubiks1938@...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > It seems that a few people couldn't get on to Google Video yesterday, and > couldn't view my > movie. It's working again now, and I am wondering if anyone else has been > able to view it > from Google Video. When you get there, just search for "camann" and my > movie will come up. > Have fun! > > Andy > > http://andyscubepage.tk > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > person...hahahaha) > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...tech.edu> escreveu: > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

The 42 cube marathon is really just an unofficial thing. It's not recognized by the WCA as a category and I don't think it's recognized by Guinness either... not that the latter matters. It's sad that the press picks up on things inaccurately. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: >> You should tell these guys how dumb they are: >> http://tinyurl.com/z4hst > > Mmh, let me be a little more polite. Please replace "dumb" with > "ignorant" or "naive". > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Doesn't anyone here stalk Tyson? ***spoiler alert*** >From http://www.xanga.com/FiddleTFM "Good strong BLD solve: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' Interesting you try reading the following, and then attempting the solve. Edge Orientation: spot the hex-flip Corner Orientation: The 5-corner twist is setup so you don't need to do setup moves, but you will have to rotate the cube slightly. Then, there are three more corners to deal with. Corner Permutation: The first group of 6 should be quick, but try to fix the corner parity only using 14 moves. (R' U R U')x3 Edge Orientation: Just go!" Good job. =) Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > > person...hahahaha) > > > > Pedro > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > >

(look at L face) R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' (look at F face, then D face) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' (turn quarter turn clockwise) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' (back to F face) D2 R2 (corner cycle UBL UFL UFR) R2 D2 D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D B2 (corner cycle UFL UFR UBR) (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 F' (R2 D' R2 M2 4(M'U) R2 M2 D R2) F F2 (turn quarter turn clockwise) (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) F2 (back to F face) U B' F' (edge cycle forwards) F B U' F2 B2 (edge cycle backwards) B2 F2 D B2 (edge cycle forwards) B2 D' D F2 (PLL alg, dual adjacent-edge swap) F2 D' 1:22 Memorization was very easy on this one but there were a lot of steps; the corner orientations were such that all U/D colors were on the L face, and there were two pairs of corresponding 2-1-corner twist orientations across the U and D faces on the R face. The corners took me the longest but in general there wasn't anything gross. The edges were very agreeable and didn't have any real issues at all -- no pausing needed, especially the last step which usually requires a bit of finaggling to get it to work (since the edge permutation cycles were in two large cycles, usually I simplify until the end and then figure out how to arrange them, but in this case it was a quick setup to a PLL alg). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > > person...hahahaha) > > > > Pedro > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, Well done, congrats for super human bld solve!! I could not download your video as it 16 MB and it takes minimum 5 hrs to download. Is there anyway I could watch your video? Wow. no cornor is oriented correctly in that scramble! j. bernett orlando Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > person...hahahaha) > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, Well done, congrats for super human bld solve!! I could not download your video as it 16 MB and it takes minimum 5 hrs to download. Is there anyway I could watch your video? Wow. no cornor is oriented correctly in that scramble! by best time so far j. bernett orlando Tyson Mao <tmao@....edu> wrote: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > person...hahahaha) > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, Well done, congrats for super human bld solve!! I could not download your video as it 16 MB and it takes minimum 5 hrs to download. Is there anyway I could watch your video? Wow. no cornor is oriented correctly in that scramble! My best time so far by your method is 4 min 54.xy sec. Avg is 5 to 6 min. j. bernett orlando Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > person...hahahaha) > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...u> escreveu: > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Everyone, I wanted to let everyone know that my solve was fake. I did not solve the Rubik's Cube blindfolded in 1:13.37 seconds. (Though, when I hit the timer, I did indeed read 1:13.37. Funny isn't it?) I saw the solve and decided to practice a few times just to see what type of execution I could do. You'll see that with a 23 second memorization time (which of course was fake...) the execution time was 50 seconds, which actually is quite doable. Anyway, this fake solve brought up a few interesting points. I think 23 second memorization is near impossible. You'll notice my tapping of the cube. Did I actually look at each piece when i tapped it? The tapping, as one may assume, is me going through each piece in the cycle. Well, to go from one piece to the next in the cycle, you have to look at one position, process the piece, and then look to the next position. You'll see that I don't really turn the cube so I'm not really "looking" at the next position because I memorized it previously, I already knew where it was. This is, of course, unless my tapping was fake as well, but that would have been such a nasty distraction. So I guess I'm very interested in what type of memory techniques are used to memorize the cube in under 25 seconds. Even if I could look around the three-dimensional cube that fast, how can one process information in the mind so quickly? If you could process information in a one-pass memorization format at 1 second per piece of information, memorization of the cube could take place in about 30 seconds every time. That, my friend, would be absolutely beautiful. Also, solving with absolutely no delays is very difficult at that speed. If I'm moving a cube that fast, I'm focusing on the physical moving of the cubes. If I slow down a little bit, which might increase the overall physical execution time of the cube by as little as five seconds, the execution would be mindless enough for me to think ahead. Anyway, I have some interesting question regarding the way Marcus did the solve because 1:22 is 7 seconds faster than my fastest real solve. Again, sorry for lying to everyone. The algorithm R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' you used to orient four corners... where did you find that? Did you find that in A-cube or something? I'm wondering why you use this algorithm. Is it because of hand pain or some reason? Because for five moves more, you could execute that using a two generator (only R and U) and furthermore, the 22-move algorithm for the four corner twist way easier to execute than that 17 move pain in the butt you're using. Try a "Double Sune (TM by Lars Petrus Grand Copywriter of All Cubing)" + a U-permutation. An example of this algorithm is: (R U R' U R U' R' U R U2 R')(R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R). I know the R' connected to the R2 is redundant, but it illustrates the connectedness of the two algorithms and the speed at which it could be done with. I would definitely suggest using this algorithm as opposed to the 17-move algorithm you have there. I could easily shave off a few seconds. Just to let you know, F D2 (L' B' L U')x5 D2 F solves all six-edges much more quickly. Your general solve technique is very similar to what I used to do. When I started BLD cubing in New Mexico, especially with the orientations, I favored simplicity over efficiency. Unfortunately, the sheer number of moves with me moving at maximum hand speed still produced execution times of around 70 seconds. I'm much better now that I'm able to find more artful solutions to corner orientations and edge orientations (see hex-flip). For the corner orientation in this case, I did y' [(U2 R U2 R')(U R U' R')]x2 y and then solved the remaining three (which is probably faster unless your pair-corner orientation of Sunes is absolutely insane). Anyway, you said you memorized this one relatively fast but didn't give an actual time. I typically don't know the times of my memorization if I don't look up at the clock. Anyway, if you had 15 second memorization, that would leave under 70 seconds for the solve. Your execution must be at the same hand speed as mine to accomplish this, and you must be lacking delays in totality. How do you cube through this hand pain? Also, is the reason that you remember these obscure BLD algorithms, such as odd 4-twists and corner diagonal permutations, but not OLL and PLL because you practice BLD more? Why are you using algorithms such as (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') in favor of more rudimentary algorithms such as (R' F R F')x3, especially if algorithm retention is difficult for you? By the way, my actual time for this solve was a big fat fail. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:41 PM, kyuubree wrote: > (look at L face) R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' > (look at F face, then D face) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > R' > (turn quarter turn clockwise) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > R' (back to F face) > > D2 R2 (corner cycle UBL UFL UFR) R2 D2 > D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D > B2 (corner cycle UFL UFR UBR) > (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 > > F' (R2 D' R2 M2 4(M'U) R2 M2 D R2) F > F2 (turn quarter turn clockwise) (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) F2 > (back to F face) > > U B' F' (edge cycle forwards) F B U' > F2 B2 (edge cycle backwards) B2 F2 > D B2 (edge cycle forwards) B2 D' > D F2 (PLL alg, dual adjacent-edge swap) F2 D' > > > 1:22 > > Memorization was very easy on this one but there were a lot of > steps; the corner orientations were such that all U/D colors were on > the L face, and there were two pairs of corresponding 2-1-corner > twist orientations across the U and D faces on the R face. The > corners took me the longest but in general there wasn't anything > gross. The edges were very agreeable and didn't have any real > issues at all -- no pausing needed, especially the last step which > usually requires a bit of finaggling to get it to work (since the > edge permutation cycles were in two large cycles, usually I simplify > until the end and then figure out how to arrange them, but in this > case it was a quick setup to a PLL alg). > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> > wrote: >> >> D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 > D' >> >> I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: >> >>> Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least > one >>> person...hahahaha) >>> >>> Pedro >>> >>> Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: >>> 1 minute 13.37 seconds >>> >>> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI >>> >>> Tyson Mao >>> Astrophysics '06 >>> California Institute of Technology >>> >>> >>> >>> SPONSORED LINKS >>> Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational >>> game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle > games >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >>> >>> >>> Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>> Service. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! Acesso Grátis >>> Internet rápida e grátis. 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Hey J. Bernett Orlando, Don't download the video. It's fake. I was just curious what other people would do with the solve, and what better motivation to get everyone to try it when they think I did a 1:13? Sorry for abusing all of your trust. I'll never do it again—I promise! Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:47 PM, JohnLouis Louis wrote: > Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, > Well done, congrats for super human bld solve!! I > could not download your video as it 16 MB and it takes minimum 5 hrs > to download. Is there anyway I could watch your video? > Wow. no cornor is oriented correctly in that scramble! > My best time so far by your method is 4 min 54.xy sec. > Avg is 5 to 6 min. > j. bernett orlando > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > >> Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one >> person...hahahaha) >> >> Pedro >> >> Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: >> 1 minute 13.37 seconds >> >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> SPONSORED LINKS >> Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational >> game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games >> >> --------------------------------- >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> >> Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Acesso Grátis >> Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, Sorry for hitting the same message 3 times(fighting with my key board). Ha! Ha! At last you bit not only our ears but also our eyes. Do not take it seriously. It is just fun!!! I recently watched the video of Mike Tyson biting the ears of his oppenent. Hmmm. If you learn phonetic sound and its value system, memorising the cube in sub-20 sec is possible. You need to remember only 10 nouns for EP + CP. I will try my best to prove it. I am motivated and inspired. J.Bernett Orlando Tyson Mao <tmao@....edu> wrote: Hey J. Bernett Orlando, Don't download the video. It's fake. I was just curious what other people would do with the solve, and what better motivation to get everyone to try it when they think I did a 1:13? Sorry for abusing all of your trust. I'll never do it again—I promise! Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:47 PM, JohnLouis Louis wrote: > Dear Mr.(Mike) Tyson of cube, > Well done, congrats for super human bld solve!! I > could not download your video as it 16 MB and it takes minimum 5 hrs > to download. Is there anyway I could watch your video? > Wow. no cornor is oriented correctly in that scramble! > My best time so far by your method is 4 min 54.xy sec. > Avg is 5 to 6 min. > j. bernett orlando > > Tyson Mao wrote: > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > >> Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one >> person...hahahaha) >> >> Pedro >> >> Tyson Mao escreveu: >> 1 minute 13.37 seconds >> >> http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> SPONSORED LINKS >> Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational >> game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games >> >> --------------------------------- >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> >> >> Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Acesso Grátis >> Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Blindfold solvers, The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit http://usamemorychampionship.com/ J.Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Also, if you have any links for certain memorization techniques that you might use, I would be interested in that! -Chris On 2/26/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Blindfold solvers, > The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram > Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of > Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit > http://usamemorychampionship.com/ > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you J.Bernett Orlando. After reading about the meeting you had with Ron, I am extremely impressed by both you and your father's ability to memorize. Thanks for the link, it is very interesting! -Chris On 2/26/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Blindfold solvers, > The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram > Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of > Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit > http://usamemorychampionship.com/ > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello everyone, Life has been extremely busy, but the nominations have been tallied. A poll will be setup shortly. Thank you all for your patience! -Richard

Dear Mr.Chris Hunt, We learnt a lot from Ron uncle. I love him. You can visit my site www.freewebs.com/bernett. There you can find my techniques in memory techniques page. I am learning by attending memory workshops conducted by my dad at various places. I am lucky to attend many times.it helped me to master it. Now it has started boring to learn the same techniques again and again. But when I apply the techniques in my learning school subjects, blindfold cubing, memorising numbers, cards etc are very interesting. Have fun! J.Bernett Orlando Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: Also, if you have any links for certain memorization techniques that you might use, I would be interested in that! -Chris On 2/26/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Blindfold solvers, > The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram > Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of > Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit > http://usamemorychampionship.com/ > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Mr.Chris Hunt, We learnt a lot from Ron uncle. I love him. You can visit my site www.freewebs.com/bernett. There you can find my techniques in memory techniques page. I am learning by attending memory workshops conducted by my dad at various places. I am lucky to attend many times.it helped me to master it. Now it has started boring to learn the same techniques again and again. But when I apply the techniques in my learning school subjects, blindfold cubing, memorising numbers, cards etc are very interesting. Have fun! J.Bernett Orlando Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: Also, if you have any links for certain memorization techniques that you might use, I would be interested in that! -Chris On 2/26/06, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Blindfold solvers, > The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram > Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of > Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit > http://usamemorychampionship.com/ > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gah I feel like I am always under interrogation by you Tyson, but here goes: With regards to the corner orienting alg: I suppose you can do it that way, yes. I just have a set of algs I use for certain corner cases. This also allows for easier memorization. For instance, when you see a Sune, you don't think "this corner has a twist of 1, this one of 2, etc". You see the pattern and know what to execute. This move doesn't hurt so much because it is nice and smooth for me; I found the move by using Cube Explorer. "Just to let you know, F D2 (L' B' L U')x5 D2 F solves all six-edges much more quickly." I have seen this alg somewhere before and it was interesting, but I tend to avoid moves that involve lots of L's (I am not very good with my left hand in terms of triggering). I tend to stick with algs that involve U, R, and F. Also if you wonder about processing information quickly, I was hoping my DDR videos would help hint at this. As you build certain reflexes to things you can glance at them or even do them without much thought. Even if there's a heavy arrow-load coming up the screen at 600+ beats per minute my fingers will just go automatically. It's strange when sometimes I will see a huge gross pattern and my hands are hitting them just fine, but my eyes are going "how am I reading this? I can't read this crap!" For example, PSMO is something I can barely see consciously with my eyes at that speed, but my brain/hands are faster and can read them more quickly. Consider when someone scares you -- you react before you consciously know what happened. I never said algorithm retention was hard, I just didn't care to practice speedcubing much anymore. I do it once in a while but not for speed. If I want to practice visual+speed simultaneously I play DDR, lol. As for memorization time, I didn't take note but I can estimate it was around this: 1.5 seconds for corner orientation, seeing all the U/D colors on the L face plus the easy pairs on the R face was too blatant to forget easily (the patterns on the R face I associate with a mental hook called a devil skull, similar to the cowskull OLL arrangement only the horns point "up" and not "out"). 4 seconds for the corners maybe. If you start at corner 1 you find that it's a very smooth curve as you turn the cube around, by this I mean you don't have to flip the cube around crazily each time you see a new corner. It starts on the left side and generally flows around to the right. I spent an extra second or so looking for that last corner pair. A quick glance at the D face shows that everything's fine down there in terms of edge orientation. There's an glaring orientation error on the F face on the right side, as well as the back (even more obvious since it's correctly permuted). The top layer has three wrong but the UF piece has a D color, so it's fine). This observation took maybe 3.5 seconds. Edge permutations, I see an arrow shape in terms of vector placements for the first four edges in the cycle. I keep my fingers on the edges as I observe. This also helps you keep track and lets you know where not to look. The second "cycle" curves down to a three-cycle vector-arrangement of edges going back with yet another curve starting from UF to DL identical to the one that begins this very cycle (UR to DF). If you understand vectors much, they can be picked up and thrown about. The beginning "vector" here is the same as the "end" vector of the cycle. In all, memorizing this took 7 seconds I am guessing. So a total of 16 seconds for memorization or so. Mind you that time is unusual and by no means average, but this solve is just loaded with streams and easy-to-recall patterns. As for handspeed, it might differ from yours. When I solve I don't stop to think much unless there's a really disgusting arrangement or parity error. This solve did not have a parity error, at that. Also in terms of handspeed, the edges were very fast for me. No awkward setups and very easy cycles. Try the moves I listed above, they are quick to fly through. Strangely enough I did not know of (R' F R F')x3! I will have to try this out. With regard to fast memory techniques, all I can say is move things into the realm of reflex. Stories and memory hooks and binary conversions are very effective for relays and larger cubes, but for the 3x3x3 at least, looking for recognizable corner patterns and thinking of cycles as visual vectors (Chris Hardwick can attest for the speedup in memory with this approach) will help tons. It is also useful to practice learning where a piece should go relative to the cube. If you see, say a red-and-yellow edge somewhere, you should instantly know where it should go relative to where you're looking. This will allow you to make a quicker vector arrangement. I am a little disappointed though! I thought that was a real solve. Why would you create a fake video? Anyways hope that answers your questions. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I wanted to let everyone know that my solve was fake. I did not solve > the Rubik's Cube blindfolded in 1:13.37 seconds. (Though, when I hit > the timer, I did indeed read 1:13.37. Funny isn't it?) I saw the > solve and decided to practice a few times just to see what type of > execution I could do. You'll see that with a 23 second memorization > time (which of course was fake...) the execution time was 50 seconds, > which actually is quite doable. Anyway, this fake solve brought up a > few interesting points. > > I think 23 second memorization is near impossible. You'll notice my > tapping of the cube. Did I actually look at each piece when i tapped > it? The tapping, as one may assume, is me going through each piece in > the cycle. Well, to go from one piece to the next in the cycle, you > have to look at one position, process the piece, and then look to the > next position. You'll see that I don't really turn the cube so I'm not > really "looking" at the next position because I memorized it > previously, I already knew where it was. This is, of course, unless my > tapping was fake as well, but that would have been such a nasty > distraction. > > So I guess I'm very interested in what type of memory techniques are > used to memorize the cube in under 25 seconds. Even if I could look > around the three-dimensional cube that fast, how can one process > information in the mind so quickly? If you could process information > in a one-pass memorization format at 1 second per piece of information, > memorization of the cube could take place in about 30 seconds every > time. That, my friend, would be absolutely beautiful. > > Also, solving with absolutely no delays is very difficult at that > speed. If I'm moving a cube that fast, I'm focusing on the physical > moving of the cubes. If I slow down a little bit, which might increase > the overall physical execution time of the cube by as little as five > seconds, the execution would be mindless enough for me to think ahead. > > Anyway, I have some interesting question regarding the way Marcus did > the solve because 1:22 is 7 seconds faster than my fastest real solve. > Again, sorry for lying to everyone. > > The algorithm R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' you used > to orient four corners... where did you find that? Did you find that > in A-cube or something? I'm wondering why you use this algorithm. Is > it because of hand pain or some reason? Because for five moves more, > you could execute that using a two generator (only R and U) and > furthermore, the 22-move algorithm for the four corner twist way easier > to execute than that 17 move pain in the butt you're using. Try a > "Double Sune (TM by Lars Petrus Grand Copywriter of All Cubing)" + a > U-permutation. An example of this algorithm is: (R U R' U R U' R' U R > U2 R')(R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R). I know the R' connected to the R2 > is redundant, but it illustrates the connectedness of the two > algorithms and the speed at which it could be done with. I would > definitely suggest using this algorithm as opposed to the 17-move > algorithm you have there. I could easily shave off a few seconds. > > Just to let you know, F D2 (L' B' L U')x5 D2 F solves all six- edges > much more quickly. > > Your general solve technique is very similar to what I used to do. > When I started BLD cubing in New Mexico, especially with the > orientations, I favored simplicity over efficiency. Unfortunately, the > sheer number of moves with me moving at maximum hand speed still > produced execution times of around 70 seconds. I'm much better now > that I'm able to find more artful solutions to corner orientations and > edge orientations (see hex-flip). For the corner orientation in this > case, I did y' [(U2 R U2 R')(U R U' R')]x2 y and then solved the > remaining three (which is probably faster unless your pair-corner > orientation of Sunes is absolutely insane). > > Anyway, you said you memorized this one relatively fast but didn't give > an actual time. I typically don't know the times of my memorization if > I don't look up at the clock. Anyway, if you had 15 second > memorization, that would leave under 70 seconds for the solve. Your > execution must be at the same hand speed as mine to accomplish this, > and you must be lacking delays in totality. How do you cube through > this hand pain? > > Also, is the reason that you remember these obscure BLD algorithms, > such as odd 4-twists and corner diagonal permutations, but not OLL and > PLL because you practice BLD more? Why are you using algorithms such > as (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') in favor of more rudimentary > algorithms such as (R' F R F')x3, especially if algorithm retention is > difficult for you? > > By the way, my actual time for this solve was a big fat fail. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 9:41 PM, kyuubree wrote: > > > (look at L face) R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' > > (look at F face, then D face) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > > R' > > (turn quarter turn clockwise) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > > R' (back to F face) > > > > D2 R2 (corner cycle UBL UFL UFR) R2 D2 > > D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D > > B2 (corner cycle UFL UFR UBR) > > (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 > > > > F' (R2 D' R2 M2 4(M'U) R2 M2 D R2) F > > F2 (turn quarter turn clockwise) (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) F2 > > (back to F face) > > > > U B' F' (edge cycle forwards) F B U' > > F2 B2 (edge cycle backwards) B2 F2 > > D B2 (edge cycle forwards) B2 D' > > D F2 (PLL alg, dual adjacent-edge swap) F2 D' > > > > > > 1:22 > > > > Memorization was very easy on this one but there were a lot of > > steps; the corner orientations were such that all U/D colors were on > > the L face, and there were two pairs of corresponding 2-1-corner > > twist orientations across the U and D faces on the R face. The > > corners took me the longest but in general there wasn't anything > > gross. The edges were very agreeable and didn't have any real > > issues at all -- no pausing needed, especially the last step which > > usually requires a bit of finaggling to get it to work (since the > > edge permutation cycles were in two large cycles, usually I simplify > > until the end and then figure out how to arrange them, but in this > > case it was a quick setup to a PLL alg). > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > >> > >> D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 > > D' > >> > >> I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > >> > >> Tyson Mao > >> Astrophysics '06 > >> California Institute of Technology > >> > >> On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > >> > >>> Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! 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Hi Kyle, Welcome in this group. If you have any questions, you can post them in this group, or e-mail me...: jnoort [at] gmail [dot] com. Byeee! Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > hi, > i joined this group today and just wanted to introduce > myself. > my name is kyle simmons, im from Toronto Canada. > i began solving the rubik's cube about nine months > ago. im not a really serious speedcuber, in that i > dont go to competitions, but im not that fast anyway. > thats is one reason i joined this group. the other is > that there is only one other kid that can solve the > cube in my area. he godsolves anyway. my current > records are as follows: > 2x2x2 - 19 sec. > 2x2x2 - 53 sec.(one hand) > 3x3x3 - 49 sec. > 3x3x3 - aprox 5 mins(one hand) > 4x4x4 - only solved once > 5x5x5 - only solved 4 times.(about 40 mins) > > so im not really very good yet but my goal is to get > to about 30 sec. for 3x3x3. i dont really practice > much for anything else. > > -kyle simmons > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" > <erik_jernqvist@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" > > > <erik_jernqvist@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, not really what you want, but I'll tell you how I solve the > > > > megaminx: I solve the minx until the last layer and a corner > > edge- > > > > pair remains unsolved. I'll then solve the remaining 6 edges w/o > > any > > > > algs. Next I solve the corners with URU'L'UR'U'LU'+some easy > > setup > > > > moves. Works for me. > > > > > > > > > > Can you tell how many moves you need on average for the edges and > > how > > > many for corners? I just tried one solve and corners were I think > > > lucky, 18 moves (two 3-cycles). But edges took me way too long I > > think > > > (I didn't count...). > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > I did 10 solves with the edges, and I got these results (in moves): > > 12, 20, 19, 11, 12, 19, 12, 13, 16, 11 > > Avarage: 14.5 moves (I think) > > Try to position edges in the top layer while bringing bad edges down > > in the slot. My megaminx kills my wrists. > > > > Thanks! I also did 10 solves now and this is what I got: > 12 12 13 12 14 9 8 9 20 23 > > I'm so annoyed by the costly mistakes at the end that I refuse to > compute the average :-) > > But I was terribly slow, I think mainly getting used to the relative > order of the edges is hard for me now. I'll practice this further, it > does look very good. Hey Per, any hints how I can solve some corners > along the last edges on the fly? > > Cheers! > Stefan > Keep in mind that the cases I did was with 4 or 6 bad edges (since I didn't want any lucky cases). I recently did a solve with the edges were solved in 7 moves, the corners take way to many moves, I think. Keeping a 2x2 block in the last layer is very easy, and could speed up the solving of the corners somewhat.

This is Creepy... Just yesterday I was thinking about this sort of thing...hmmm...Only I only thought about maybe numbers...and then this shows up ?!?!?! Weird... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Blindfold solvers, > The memory champs in usa might help you. The defending champion is Ram Prasad, who is a MS student and a friend of my dad. The only Grand Master of Memory from USA is Scott Hagwood. Plz visit > http://usamemorychampionship.com/ > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

So when does it premiere? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Doesn't anyone here stalk Tyson? > > > ***spoiler alert*** > From http://www.xanga.com/FiddleTFM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good strong BLD solve: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' > F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > Interesting you try reading the following, and then attempting the solve. > > Edge Orientation: spot the hex-flip > Corner Orientation: The 5-corner twist is setup so you don't need to > do setup moves, but you will have to rotate the cube slightly. Then, > there are three more corners to deal with. > Corner Permutation: The first group of 6 should be quick, but try to > fix the corner parity only using 14 moves. (R' U R U')x3 > Edge Orientation: Just go!" > > Good job. =) > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > > > person...hahahaha) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@> escreveu: > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > >

Chris, Do you have yahoo or MSN??? If so add me: yahoo: chbouchard777 MSN: logitewty [AT] hotmail [DOT] com Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > So when does it premiere? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > Doesn't anyone here stalk Tyson? > > > > > > ***spoiler alert*** > > From http://www.xanga.com/FiddleTFM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good strong BLD solve: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F > D' > > F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > > > Interesting you try reading the following, and then attempting the > solve. > > > > Edge Orientation: spot the hex-flip > > Corner Orientation: The 5-corner twist is setup so you don't need > to > > do setup moves, but you will have to rotate the cube slightly. > Then, > > there are three more corners to deal with. > > Corner Permutation: The first group of 6 should be quick, but try > to > > fix the corner parity only using 14 moves. (R' U R U')x3 > > Edge Orientation: Just go!" > > > > Good job. =) > > > > Macky > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > wrote: > > > > > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 > U2 D' > > > > > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > > > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at > least one > > > > person...hahahaha) > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@> escreveu: > > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > >

Well, Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. Ok, here goes... 1: Solve all Centers 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in place 3: Put in first layer (white) corners 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. 5: Solve LL corners 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you want) I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today sometime hopefully. Craig PS - This post is long for me...

OK I added you to MSN. But you're offline :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Chris, > > Do you have yahoo or MSN??? If so add me: yahoo: chbouchard777 > MSN: logitewty [AT] hotmail [DOT] com > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > So when does it premiere? > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > Doesn't anyone here stalk Tyson? > > > > > > > > > ***spoiler alert*** > > > From http://www.xanga.com/FiddleTFM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Good strong BLD solve: D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F > > D' > > > F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > > > > > Interesting you try reading the following, and then attempting the > > solve. > > > > > > Edge Orientation: spot the hex-flip > > > Corner Orientation: The 5-corner twist is setup so you don't need > > to > > > do setup moves, but you will have to rotate the cube slightly. > > Then, > > > there are three more corners to deal with. > > > Corner Permutation: The first group of 6 should be quick, but try > > to > > > fix the corner parity only using 14 moves. (R' U R U')x3 > > > Edge Orientation: Just go!" > > > > > > Good job. =) > > > > > > Macky > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 > > U2 D' > > > > > > > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at > > least one > > > > > person...hahahaha) > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@> escreveu: > > > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > > > > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I couldn't solve with this...I had 4 edges unoriented... and what "(turn quarter turn clockwise)" means? Pedro kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: (look at L face) R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' (look at F face, then D face) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' (turn quarter turn clockwise) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' (back to F face) D2 R2 (corner cycle UBL UFL UFR) R2 D2 D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D B2 (corner cycle UFL UFR UBR) (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 F' (R2 D' R2 M2 4(M'U) R2 M2 D R2) F F2 (turn quarter turn clockwise) (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) F2 (back to F face) U B' F' (edge cycle forwards) F B U' F2 B2 (edge cycle backwards) B2 F2 D B2 (edge cycle forwards) B2 D' D F2 (PLL alg, dual adjacent-edge swap) F2 D' 1:22 Memorization was very easy on this one but there were a lot of steps; the corner orientations were such that all U/D colors were on the L face, and there were two pairs of corresponding 2-1-corner twist orientations across the U and D faces on the R face. The corners took me the longest but in general there wasn't anything gross. The edges were very agreeable and didn't have any real issues at all -- no pausing needed, especially the last step which usually requires a bit of finaggling to get it to work (since the edge permutation cycles were in two large cycles, usually I simplify until the end and then figure out how to arrange them, but in this case it was a quick setup to a PLL alg). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least one > > person...hahahaha) > > > > Pedro > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I found and tried this method in www.speedcubing.com in the links section in the page http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/math/rp/RubPro1.htm In my opinion, it may not be as fast as converting into 3*3*3. I learnt the method but did not master it as my initial feeling was that "it is not so fast as the normal 3*3*3 method". When I find time I will try my best. How long it takes you in both the method? Plz share your views. J.Bernett Orlando Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: Well, Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. Ok, here goes... 1: Solve all Centers 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in place 3: Put in first layer (white) corners 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. 5: Solve LL corners 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you want) I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today sometime hopefully. Craig PS - This post is long for me... SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Bernett, That method is similar to the method I was talking about, but not the same. Right now I use a modification of Per's cage method, and average between 5 and 6 minutes with it. I tried to learn the convert to 3x3x3 way back when, but didn't want to memorise all the algorithms for the last 2 edges, I'd be able to do it now because of my knowledge of 3 cycles and the like. But I think that solving everything directly like this is a lot like Per's cage method, except you get more freedom for the centers. THat is pretty much the only advantage of this over the cage method. I'll try it during my spare which is next period. I'll let you know what I think about it. Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > I found and tried this method in www.speedcubing.com in the links section in the page http://www.geocities.com/abcmcfarren/math/rp/RubPro1.htm > In my opinion, it may not be as fast as converting into 3*3*3. I learnt the method but did not master it as my initial feeling was that "it is not so fast as the normal 3*3*3 method". When I find time I will try my best. > > How long it takes you in both the method? Plz share your views. > J.Bernett Orlando > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > Well, > > Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I > started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, > and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most > efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. > > Ok, here goes... > 1: Solve all Centers > 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in place > 3: Put in first layer (white) corners > 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them > directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. > 5: Solve LL corners > 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you want) > > I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the > first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, > so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today > sometime hopefully. > > Craig > > PS - This post is long for me... > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" <erik_jernqvist@...> wrote: > > Keep in mind that the cases I did was with 4 or 6 bad edges (since I > didn't want any lucky cases). I recently did a solve with the edges > were solved in 7 moves, the corners take way to many moves, I think. > Keeping a 2x2 block in the last layer is very easy, and could speed > up the solving of the corners somewhat. Ah, ok... yeah, I didn't look for that. I think my first 9-mover had all edge oriented already. The 8-mover had two badly oriented I think, but overall the situation was easy to solve (obviously :-). What are your times for the whole Megaminx, and what for those last 6 edges and 6 corners? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > hi, > i joined this group today and just wanted to introduce > myself. > my name is kyle simmons, im from Toronto Canada. > i began solving the rubik's cube about nine months > ago. im not a really serious speedcuber, in that i > dont go to competitions, but im not that fast anyway. > thats is one reason i joined this group. the other is > that there is only one other kid that can solve the > cube in my area. he godsolves anyway. my current > records are as follows:> > -kyle simmons > Yes, welcome to the group. However, if you are from Toronto, Canada, you are mistaken in stating there is only one other kid in your area that can solve the cube. There are a few cubers in the GTA. Some are quite fast, too. What does it mean this other kid of which you speak "godsolves"? Does that have something to do with God's Algorithm? -Dave Campbell

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > "Just to let you know, F D2 (L' B' L U')x5 D2 F solves all six-edges > much more quickly." > > I have seen this alg somewhere before and it was interesting, but I > tend to avoid moves that involve lots of L's (I am not very good > with my left hand in terms of triggering). I tend to stick with > algs that involve U, R, and F. (F E2) (R' F R U)*5 (E2 F') or (R' D' U') (R U R' F)*5 (U D R) or (my favourite) (z' y') (U R) (R U R' F)*5 (R' U') (y z) Cheers! Stefan

Hi Stefan, A while ago, you said you have a 9 move threecycle for the LL corners (with corners already oriented)... I asked for the alg, but you didn't give it :s... Can you give me the alg you use for that? - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "erik_jernqvist" > <erik_jernqvist@> wrote: > > > > Keep in mind that the cases I did was with 4 or 6 bad edges (since I > > didn't want any lucky cases). I recently did a solve with the edges > > were solved in 7 moves, the corners take way to many moves, I think. > > Keeping a 2x2 block in the last layer is very easy, and could speed > > up the solving of the corners somewhat. > > Ah, ok... yeah, I didn't look for that. I think my first 9-mover had > all edge oriented already. The 8-mover had two badly oriented I think, > but overall the situation was easy to solve (obviously :-). > > What are your times for the whole Megaminx, and what for those last 6 > edges and 6 corners? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > > A while ago, you said you have a 9 move threecycle for the LL > corners (with corners already oriented)... I asked for the alg, but > you didn't give it :s... Can you give me the alg you use for that? > > - Joël. A "while" ago? Wasn't that just the day before yesterday? :-) I did answer that it's basically the same as for 3x3, but I didn't explicitly write it down cause I thought you'd find out yourself, and more importantly because of the lack of common notation for Megaminx : -) Ok, I'll try... (R2 DR' R) L2 (R' DR R) L2' R2 Is that understandable/correct? It's not at all like I'd execute it, but I tried to use the same faces you and Daniel used. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > A while ago, you said you have a 9 move threecycle for the LL > > corners (with corners already oriented)... I asked for the alg, but > > you didn't give it :s... Can you give me the alg you use for that? > > > > - Joël. > > A "while" ago? Wasn't that just the day before yesterday? :-) > > I did answer that it's basically the same as for 3x3, but I didn't > explicitly write it down cause I thought you'd find out yourself, and > more importantly because of the lack of common notation for Megaminx : > -) > > Ok, I'll try... > (R2 DR' R) L2 (R' DR R) L2' R2 Uh, to make it more obvious, let me write it down as a conjugated commutator: R2' [R' DR' R, L2] R2 For 3x3, it would be (R B' R) F2 (R' B R) F2 R2 or R2 [R' B' R, F2] R2 Cheers! Stefan

Hey Stefan, In Daniel Hayes notations, L and DR commute, so do L and R... So your moves don't really do anything at all... I'll try to figure it out though.. I also had a hard time with the notation, btw.. :) - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Stefan, > > > > > > A while ago, you said you have a 9 move threecycle for the LL > > > corners (with corners already oriented)... I asked for the alg, > but > > > you didn't give it :s... Can you give me the alg you use for that? > > > > > > - Joël. > > > > A "while" ago? Wasn't that just the day before yesterday? :-) > > > > I did answer that it's basically the same as for 3x3, but I didn't > > explicitly write it down cause I thought you'd find out yourself, > and > > more importantly because of the lack of common notation for Megaminx > : > > -) > > > > Ok, I'll try... > > (R2 DR' R) L2 (R' DR R) L2' R2 > > Uh, to make it more obvious, let me write it down as a conjugated > commutator: > R2' [R' DR' R, L2] R2 > > For 3x3, it would be > (R B' R) F2 (R' B R) F2 R2 > or > R2 [R' B' R, F2] R2 > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > In Daniel Hayes notations, L and DR commute, so do L and R... So > your moves don't really do anything at all... I'll try to figure it > out though.. > > I also had a hard time with the notation, btw.. :) > > - Joël. Yeah ok... comes from his sick way of holding the Megaminx :-). Looking at his notation diagram I must replace my R with D, then we have: (D2 DR' D) L2 (D' DR D) L2' D2 Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > but didn't want to memorise all the > algorithms for the last 2 edges, I'd be able to do it now because of > my knowledge of 3 cycles and the like. Perhaps I've misunderstood your proposal: Surely you /will/ still end up with 2 swapped edges (5x5x5 "wings") in 50% of cases. If so, 3-cycles won't be enough. Mike

Hey Craig, Oddly enough...I used to be really in to computer cubes and then took about a two year break. Just last week I got involved again, and my upcoming goal is to solve the 20x20x20 in sub-2hrs. But anyway, I use David Barr's applet on www.puzzlingaddiction.com (follow the links), and the neat thing about it is it will record the times you get for solving each different cube, and record them in a database. Then if you visit the best times list, you will find everyone else's solve, and by clicking on them, you will be able to see how they were solved. So if you are looking for methods that some people use, I would suggest checking out that site. By the way, where do go to find those larger order cubes? Joe Allen --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Well, > > Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I > started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, > and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most > efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. > > Ok, here goes... > 1: Solve all Centers > 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in place > 3: Put in first layer (white) corners > 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them > directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. > 5: Solve LL corners > 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you want) > > I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the > first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, > so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today > sometime hopefully. > > Craig > > PS - This post is long for me... >

I'll reply to Mike and Joe in one post: Mike: In that case you would do the 4x4 parity fix, and yes, it does come up a lot... Joe: I use Gabbasoft Cube Demo, I don't like the other interface... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Allen" <wallen@...> wrote: > > Hey Craig, > > Oddly enough...I used to be really in to computer cubes and then > took about a two year break. Just last week I got involved again, and > my upcoming goal is to solve the 20x20x20 in sub-2hrs. But anyway, I > use David Barr's applet on www.puzzlingaddiction.com (follow the > links), and the neat thing about it is it will record the times you > get for solving each different cube, and record them in a database. > Then if you visit the best times list, you will find everyone else's > solve, and by clicking on them, you will be able to see how they were > solved. > > So if you are looking for methods that some people use, I would > suggest checking out that site. By the way, where do go to find those > larger order cubes? > > Joe Allen > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Well, > > > > Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I > > started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, > > and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most > > efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. > > > > Ok, here goes... > > 1: Solve all Centers > > 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in > place > > 3: Put in first layer (white) corners > > 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them > > directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. > > 5: Solve LL corners > > 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you want) > > > > I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the > > first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, > > so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today > > sometime hopefully. > > > > Craig > > > > PS - This post is long for me... > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > hi, > i joined this group today and just wanted to introduce > myself. > my name is kyle simmons, im from Toronto Canada. > i began solving the rubik's cube about nine months > ago. im not a really serious speedcuber, in that i > dont go to competitions, but im not that fast anyway. > thats is one reason i joined this group. the other is > that there is only one other kid that can solve the > cube in my area. he godsolves anyway. my current > records are as follows:> > -kyle simmons > Yes, welcome to the group. However, if you are from Toronto, Canada, you are mistaken in stating there is only one other kid in your area that can solve the cube. There are a few cubers in the GTA. Some are quite fast, too. What does it mean this other kid of which you speak "godsolves"? Does that have something to do with God's Algorithm? -Dave Campbell i only mean in my school or in the etobicoke area that i know. and yes, he solves for the least moves posible with no time limit, i have heard of this being called "godsolving". actually, i found out today that he has joined this group (i think) but has not yet posted. -kyle simmons __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca

On 2/27/06, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > and yes, he solves for the least moves posible > with no time limit, i have heard of this being called > "godsolving". actually, i found out today that he has > joined this group (i think) but has not yet posted. > > -kyle simmons That's generally referred to as fewest moves solving in the cubing community. -Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My name is Kelvin Cracknell, I am currently studing for a Bsc(Hons) degree in software Engineering at Suffolk College in the UK. For my final project i have decided to research and develop a 2D model of the 3x3 Rubik Cube in VBA in the hope that I Shall be able to provide an automatic computerised solution to the problem Although in the course of my research i have found many solution guides to the 3D cube and many 3D simulations, freely available on the internet, I have discoverd through my research that many of them although not all, are incorrectly modelled i was wondering if you would be willing to assist me by providing me with a rough outline of the mathmatical algorithm for solving the cube. as a child i could never get close to solving the cube, it is my hope that develping a two dimentional aproach will not only be able to help me achive a solution but also help develop my algorithmic problem solving ability. any assistance you are willing to give is greatfully recieved. thankyou very much for your time sincerly, Kelvin Cracknell

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > i only mean in my school or in the etobicoke area that > i know. and yes, he solves for the least moves posible > with no time limit, i have heard of this being called > "godsolving". Can you tell how many moves he usually needs (and how he counts)? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kelvin Cracknell" <kelvin@...> wrote: > > Although in the > course of my research i have found many solution guides to the 3D > cube and many 3D simulations, freely available on the internet, I > have discoverd through my research that many of them although not > all, are incorrectly modelled Can you tell what's incorrect about them? Cheers! Stefan

Hi Kelvin, Welcome. Try this page for more info: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/compcube.htm Try these pages for the best programs around: http://www.kociemba.homepage.t-online.de/cube.htm http://software.rubikscube.info/JACube/index.html Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelvin Cracknell To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:28 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] New Member - Rubik help My name is Kelvin Cracknell, I am currently studing for a Bsc(Hons) degree in software Engineering at Suffolk College in the UK. For my final project i have decided to research and develop a 2D model of the 3x3 Rubik Cube in VBA in the hope that I Shall be able to provide an automatic computerised solution to the problem Although in the course of my research i have found many solution guides to the 3D cube and many 3D simulations, freely available on the internet, I have discoverd through my research that many of them although not all, are incorrectly modelled i was wondering if you would be willing to assist me by providing me with a rough outline of the mathmatical algorithm for solving the cube. as a child i could never get close to solving the cube, it is my hope that develping a two dimentional aproach will not only be able to help me achive a solution but also help develop my algorithmic problem solving ability. any assistance you are willing to give is greatfully recieved. thankyou very much for your time sincerly, Kelvin Cracknell SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > i only mean in my school or in the etobicoke area that > i know. and yes, he solves for the least moves posible > with no time limit, i have heard of this being called > "godsolving". Can you tell how many moves he usually needs (and how he counts)? Cheers! Stefan i have no idea but, i will ask him tomorrow and reply in the evening. -kyle simmons __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca

i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an hour or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely happy.. it turned great. Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can see through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F faces, it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could not see through as I could on every other edge. I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after a little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I was then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 cube, so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, I noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well it's 2:25AM and I have school at 8.00, but I did manage to get the cube working again. However, I realized once i put it together that I switched 2 edges. So, I switched 2 center pieces b.c i figured that might make it solveable. Is this right? (btw, where is a GOOD applet/program for solving this cube, beacuse i am TIRED of reading "left down" "inner right up"...) More importantly: What do people think about eastsheen 4x4s? Are they as horrible as my experience with them has been thus far? What can I do to make the best of my 4x4 experience? Thanks!!! david David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an hour or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely happy.. it turned great. Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can see through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F faces, it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could not see through as I could on every other edge. I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after a little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I was then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 cube, so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, I noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi guys..i just found this site www.fluteys.com they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a really nice rubik's snake, which lets you play witha virtual snake with unlimited number of pieces...please try it guys.. u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to have any number of pieces made me be able to make really big designs shady el mously

Look at this thread: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/27 014 Maybe it helps when you use Macky's page to assable your cube again... Did you try to assamble it by sqeezing the last few pieces in? Because that's awkward to do, and it will result in a not-working- 4x4. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an hour or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely happy.. it turned great. > > Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. > > I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can see through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F faces, it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could not see through as I could on every other edge. > > I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. > > I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after a little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I was then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 cube, so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, I noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! > > im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Here's the full solve (with algs inserted), ready for watching at http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp [scramble] D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 D' [orient corners] y' R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' y x U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' z' U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 R' z x' [permute corners] D2 R2 (F R' F L2 F' R F L2 F2) R2 D2 D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D B2 (R B' R F2 R' B R F2 R2) (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 [orient edges] F' (R2 D' R2 M2 (M'U)*4 R2 M2 D R2) F F2 z' (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) z F2 [permute edges] U B' F' (R2 U' S' U2 S U' R2) F B U' F2 B2 (R2 U S' U2 S U R2) B2 F2 D B2 (R2 U' S' U2 S U' R2) B2 D' D F2 (M2 U' F2 M2 F2 M2 U M2) F2 D' Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > I couldn't solve with this...I had 4 edges unoriented... > and what "(turn quarter turn clockwise)" means? > > Pedro > > > kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: > (look at L face) R U2 R2 F2 R' U2 F2 R U' R2 U' R2 U' F2 D R2 D' > (look at F face, then D face) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > R' > (turn quarter turn clockwise) U2 R' U' R U' R' U2 R U2 R U R' U R U2 > R' (back to F face) > > D2 R2 (corner cycle UBL UFL UFR) R2 D2 > D' (R2 U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U') D > B2 (corner cycle UFL UFR UBR) > (U F2 U' F2 U' R2 U F2 U F2 U' R2) B2 > > F' (R2 D' R2 M2 4(M'U) R2 M2 D R2) F > F2 (turn quarter turn clockwise) (M' U M' U M' U2 M U M U M U2) F2 > (back to F face) > > U B' F' (edge cycle forwards) F B U' > F2 B2 (edge cycle backwards) B2 F2 > D B2 (edge cycle forwards) B2 D' > D F2 (PLL alg, dual adjacent-edge swap) F2 D' > > > 1:22 > > Memorization was very easy on this one but there were a lot of > steps; the corner orientations were such that all U/D colors were on > the L face, and there were two pairs of corresponding 2-1-corner > twist orientations across the U and D faces on the R face. The > corners took me the longest but in general there wasn't anything > gross. The edges were very agreeable and didn't have any real > issues at all -- no pausing needed, especially the last step which > usually requires a bit of finaggling to get it to work (since the > edge permutation cycles were in two large cycles, usually I simplify > until the end and then figure out how to arrange them, but in this > case it was a quick setup to a PLL alg). > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@> > wrote: > > > > D2 F2 U' F' D2 B' U' L F' D2 L F' L2 B2 F D' F' U2 D2 B D2 L B2 U2 > D' > > > > I scramble white on top, green in front, and solve the same way. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Pedro wrote: > > > > > Tyson...the crowd is asking for the scramble! Please...(at least > one > > > person...hahahaha) > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > Tyson Mao <tmao@> escreveu: > > > 1 minute 13.37 seconds > > > > > > http://www.astro.caltech.edu/~tmao/73.37BLD.AVI > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational > > > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle > games > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > > > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Here's the full solve (with algs inserted), ready for watching at > http://thearufam.brinkster.net/cube/wrapplet.asp > > F2 B2 (R2 U S' U2 S U R2) B2 F2 Marcus, any particular reason you didn't do this as (D' S D2 S' D')? Did you purposely restrict yourself to only PLL algs? If I remember correctly, in a recent post in the blindsolving forum you made extensive use of that nice 4/5 move 3-cycle using the S-slice. Cheers! Stefan

Reminds me of one of the KDE screensavers, it's just a 3D rubiks snake floating about changing shape and colour. Ah, *nix ;) ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "elmausselly" <elmausselly@...> wrote: > > hi guys..i just found this site > > www.fluteys.com > > they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a really nice > rubik's snake, which lets you play witha virtual snake with unlimited > number of pieces...please try it guys.. > > u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to have any number of > pieces made me be able to make really big designs > > > > shady el mously >

Hi :-) You can also check my page : http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/EastSheen_4x4x4.htm Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Look at this thread: > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/27 > 014 > > Maybe it helps when you use Macky's page to assable your cube > again... > > Did you try to assamble it by sqeezing the last few pieces in? > Because that's awkward to do, and it will result in a not-working- > 4x4. > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to > lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I > did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an hour > or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely > happy.. it turned great. > > > > Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto > carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns > work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn > horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. > > > > I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was > wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can see > through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F faces, > it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could > not see through as I could on every other edge. > > > > I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was > end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to > start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. > > > > I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after a > little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I was > then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 cube, > so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, I > noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! > > > > im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? > > > > David > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Per -- have you had other 4x4's before? I assume you have since you are not a newbie like me -.-.. even if you only have an eastsheen, surely you've used the rubik's one. How do you like the Eastsheen cube? I have used hte Rubik.com 5x5 cubes and it (admittedly) doesn't get as smooth as the Eastsheen one, but it seemed to never really lock up. I am aware that the 4x4 and 5x5 are different, but I assume the rubik's.com 4x4 is similar to the 5x5. Bottom line: Eastsheen has made a very bad first impression on me, and I just want some reassurance that I have a quality cube which isn't going to break quickly or slow me down -.- Thanks! david Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Hi :-) You can also check my page : http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/EastSheen_4x4x4.htm Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Look at this thread: > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/27 > 014 > > Maybe it helps when you use Macky's page to assable your cube > again... > > Did you try to assamble it by sqeezing the last few pieces in? > Because that's awkward to do, and it will result in a not-working- > 4x4. > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to > lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I > did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an hour > or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely > happy.. it turned great. > > > > Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto > carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns > work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn > horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. > > > > I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was > wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can see > through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F faces, > it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could > not see through as I could on every other edge. > > > > I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was > end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to > start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. > > > > I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after a > little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I was > then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 cube, > so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, I > noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! > > > > im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? > > > > David > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Mail > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will be hosting an Eastern Spring competition on April 22nd (as some of you may know). Full details are available by the following link: http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt If you are interested in coming please send me an email. Registration forms will be available shortly. -Richard

Anyone else here attending this event? http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 Chris

Can you tell how many moves he usually needs (and how he counts)? Cheers! Stefan ok i talked to him today, his best so far is 68 moves. he counts in his head, or on paper. -kyle simons __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca

I am I am! Are you going Chris? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Anyone else here attending this event? > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 > > Chris >

Yes! All events except blindfolded. Haven't tackled that one yet. Look forward to seeing you there. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I am I am! > > Are you going Chris? > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Anyone else here attending this event? > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 > > > > Chris > > >

Maybe I can help. What I found happens is that, on the eastsheen 4x4, the inner edge simulators get dislodged. First, let me clarify. Eastsheen 4x4s are the same exact things as 5x5's, except the M, E, and S slices are internal and invisible. Basically, you have to pinpoint the "problem edges" by seeing which slices can split (ie the M slice, E slice, S slice), and which edge pairs change a slice from "bad" to "good". For each edge pair identified as a "problem", take out the two visible edges along with the inner edge simulator (IES) that's between them. Then put the IES back in (easier than a 3x3 edge), slide it to one side and put the edge in that belongs on the other side. Then, slide the IES dead center, and push the other edge in. If you get used to it (like I did from the many, many times mine popped inside), its not bad. I made a little video of it at http://tinyurl.com/msaaa Now for the other questions Personally...4x4, I vastly prefer the rubik.com one. It doesn't have that stupid internal popping that I described above (although it does pop fairly often). Also, it gets caught on itself less often. 5x5...well, my rubiks 5x5 is semicrappy...well, I can't break it in or I won't be able to write for a week, it's so stiff right now...but my eastsheen one aint too bad. Rubiks 4x4 is very different from 5x5. 5x5 is basically a two- layered spherical core, the pieces that come from the 3x3 go all the way to the center while the others just kinda fit in around them on the top layer. 4x4 is a ball on the inside with the centers in little ridges in the ball, with the other pieces fitting in around them. It might sound similar, but its not really. Hope everything made sense, it's 11 PM and I've been at play rehearsal since 3 so I might be talking jibberish and not notice. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > Per -- have you had other 4x4's before? I assume you have since you are not a newbie like me -.-.. even if you only have an eastsheen, surely you've used the rubik's one. > > How do you like the Eastsheen cube? I have used hte Rubik.com 5x5 cubes and it (admittedly) doesn't get as smooth as the Eastsheen one, but it seemed to never really lock up. I am aware that the 4x4 and 5x5 are different, but I assume the rubik's.com 4x4 is similar to the 5x5. > > Bottom line: Eastsheen has made a very bad first impression on me, and I just want some reassurance that I have a quality cube which isn't going to break quickly or slow me down -.- > > Thanks! > > david > > Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > Hi :-) > > You can also check my page : > > http://vakt.idi.ntnu.no/apartment/EastSheen_4x4x4.htm > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Look at this thread: > > > > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/27 > > 014 > > > > Maybe it helps when you use Macky's page to assable your cube > > again... > > > > Did you try to assamble it by sqeezing the last few pieces in? > > Because that's awkward to do, and it will result in a not- working- > > 4x4. > > > > - Joël. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts > > <ladartfrog@> wrote: > > > > > > i JUST bought the 4x4 eastsheen minicube. when I opened it up to > > lube it, I hadn't planned on taking out any pieces... but, when I > > did so, it ended up knocking a few pieces out. I had to take an > hour > > or so to re-assemble the cube. When I was done, i was extremely > > happy.. it turned great. > > > > > > Today the cube was dropped from approximately 3 ft up onto > > carpet (NOT by me), and afterwards, it stopped working. U turns > > work, D works, L, R, F, B, etc all work. However, I could not turn > > horizontally at the middle. IE, I could not do any u or u' moves. > > > > > > I took off all the center caps. i tried to figure out what was > > wrong. I noticed that when all the center caps are off, you can > see > > through between adjacent sides. However, between the L and F > faces, > > it seemed there was a piece jiggling around in there, and I could > > not see through as I could on every other edge. > > > > > > I tried to fix it. I couldn't.., all that I was able to do was > > end up knocking out tons of pieces, and evnetually I decided to > > start ALL over. I disassembled the cube completely. > > > > > > I reassembled it. It took THREE HOURS. When I was done, after > a > > little bit of tightening and adjustment, the cube worked great.I > was > > then playing with it a little bit (using it to simulate a 2x2 > cube, > > so I was doing only r, l, u, d, moves, etc), when all of a sudden, > I > > noticed that the same problem was happening again!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > im about to try and fix it, but arrrrgghh!! what do I do?? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! Mail > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! 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Grr...it's opening weekend for my school's musical so I'm stuck up at home...have fun, wish I could be there... Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Anyone else here attending this event? > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 > > Chris >

already put some rubiks lube in there but wanted to know if theres anything else i can do to get its full potential in terms of being slick and loose. any suggestions?? ryan

I'm reminded of how chess masters can be shown a complex chess position for a fraction of a second, and remember it exactly. Not because they have fantastic memorization techniques, but because they UNDERSTAND chess so well. Or how most of us can spot complex emotions on a face immediately. That one's mostly instinctual, but it shows the visual/cognitive processing power we have and can tap into. I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. People have only begun to scratch the surface of what's possible to do in blindfold cubing. /Lars (tm) On Feb 26, 2006, at 22:45, Tyson Mao wrote: > So I guess I'm very interested in what type of memory techniques are > used to memorize the cube in under 25 seconds. Even if I could look > around the three-dimensional cube that fast, how can one process > information in the mind so quickly? If you could process information > in a one-pass memorization format at 1 second per piece of > information, > memorization of the cube could take place in about 30 seconds every > time. That, my friend, would be absolutely beautiful.

shouldn't you learn to solve a 5x5 before you ask about lubing it? 1.09

Finnish curling player Markku Uusipaavalniemi (nice name!) has been cubing on tv and his best time is 25 seconds. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, pjgat09 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > There was a cube on a table during the olympics. It was scrambled (not > surprising) during a curling game. It was in front of the announcers. > > Peter Greenwood >

Leyan and I will be attending as well. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 28, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Tim Reynolds wrote: > Grr...it's opening weekend for my school's musical so I'm stuck up at > home...have fun, wish I could be there... > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@...> wrote: >> >> Anyone else here attending this event? >> >> http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 >> >> Chris >> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hi Lars, Sure... people have only begun to scratch the surface of what's possible to do in blindfold cubing, which is why I do not believe people can memorize in 10 seconds at this point. Maybe later, but right now, I haven't heard of anyone dedicated enough to the sport. Someone who could come close to memorizing in 10 seconds, 15, or even 20 seconds, would have to have practiced the cube very much... just like the chess masters you're talking about. They would be able to give us novel insight to the sport. I have yet to see anyone produce this kind of knowledge regarding blindfold cubing... except for maybe Stefan. Stefan's just holding back because he doesn't want to make me feel bad. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:07 PM, Lars Petrus wrote: > I'm reminded of how chess masters can be shown a complex chess > position for a fraction of a second, and remember it exactly. Not > because they have fantastic memorization techniques, but because they > UNDERSTAND chess so well. Or how most of us can spot complex emotions > on a face immediately. That one's mostly instinctual, but it shows > the visual/cognitive processing power we have and can tap into. > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. > > People have only begun to scratch the surface of what's possible to > do in blindfold cubing. > > /Lars (tm) > > On Feb 26, 2006, at 22:45, Tyson Mao wrote: > >> So I guess I'm very interested in what type of memory techniques are >> used to memorize the cube in under 25 seconds. Even if I could look >> around the three-dimensional cube that fast, how can one process >> information in the mind so quickly? If you could process information >> in a one-pass memorization format at 1 second per piece of >> information, >> memorization of the cube could take place in about 30 seconds every >> time. That, my friend, would be absolutely beautiful. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

It has been brought to my attention that some people actually thought "llama llama duck" is my memorization method. Just to clarify, that was a joke. To understand this joke, check out the link: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php Yeah... sorry for the confusion. Don't use the llama method. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip four edges? I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more than two setups moves, or more than three, etc... Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles? I remember Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do you the same with edge orientation? Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

You had better go to bed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] edge-orientation generator > Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles? I remember > Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do you > the same with edge orientation? > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Yeah, I get that a lot... especially from Dave Jones when I respond to his e-mails at 4 AM Pacific Standard Time. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 1, 2006, at 2:25 AM, Rune Wesström wrote: > You had better go to bed! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyson Mao" <tmao@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:49 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] edge-orientation generator > > >> Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles? I remember >> Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do >> you >> the same with edge orientation? >> >> Tyson Mao >> Astrophysics '06 >> California Institute of Technology >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Overall, they are nice programs. However, it feels like it is too dark. I even tried to make the pieces white but it come out too pale. You can rotate the whole cube, but you can't hold onto individual layers like at http://www.math.uu.nl/people/beukers/rubik/rubik.html --- elmausselly <elmausselly@...> wrote: > hi guys..i just found this site > > www.fluteys.com > > they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a > really nice > rubik's snake, which lets you play witha virtual > snake with unlimited > number of pieces...please try it guys.. > > u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to > have any number of > pieces made me be able to make really big designs > > > > shady el mously > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2 Pedro Tyson Mao <tmao@...ch.edu> escreveu: Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip four edges? I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more than two setups moves, or more than three, etc... Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message ----- From: "www dot com" <wwwdotcomhere@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] virtual version of the rubik snake > Overall, they are nice programs. However, it feels > like it is too dark. I even tried to make the pieces > white but it come out too pale. > > You can rotate the whole cube, but you can't hold onto > individual layers like at > http://www.math.uu.nl/people/beukers/rubik/rubik.html > Is it difficult to implement slice moves? > --- elmausselly <elmausselly@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > hi guys..i just found this site > > > > www.fluteys.com > > > > they have a version of the rubik's cube , and also a > > really nice > > rubik's snake, which lets you play witha virtual > > snake with unlimited > > number of pieces...please try it guys.. > > > > u can also save and load the snake..ithe ability to > > have any number of > > pieces made me be able to make really big designs > > > > > > > > shady el mously > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

(L' F' L) (M' U)4 (L' F L) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2 > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip > four edges? I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more > than two setups moves, or more than three, etc... > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi Chris and Chris, That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make the Chris-venture to Tennechris. If any other Chris's decide to go, we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track. I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring Tournament. -Chris (Parlette) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Yes! All events except blindfolded. Haven't tackled that one yet. > Look forward to seeing you there. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I am I am! > > > > Are you going Chris? > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Anyone else here attending this event? > > > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 > > > > > > Chris > > > > > >

Hey! That's a good one...and you haven't tackled BLD yet...hehe Pedro christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: (L' F' L) (M' U)4 (L' F L) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2 > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tmao@...> escreveu: > Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip > four edges? I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more > than two setups moves, or more than three, etc... > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> wrote: > > Can you tell how many moves he usually needs (and how > he counts)? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > ok i talked to him today, > his best so far is 68 moves. > he counts in his head, or on paper. > > -kyle simons Ok, thanks. I guess I should've been more clear what I meant about how he's counting. I meant for example whether he counts R2 as one or two moves. But with 68, it doesn't matter much, sorry to say this but it's very long :-). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > I have yet to see anyone produce > this kind of knowledge regarding blindfold cubing... except for maybe > Stefan. Stefan's just holding back because he doesn't want to make me > feel bad. Yeah, that's the real reason. My absolute complete laziness is just a fake excuse I made up. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random* cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a meaningful chess situation. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Can someone come up with the worst possible case for having to flip > four edges? I'm just wondering if there's anything that requires more > than two setups moves, or more than three, etc... To answer this, we must know some more: - You mean pure flip (like in BLD) or maybe OLL cases? - What algs do you know? With 2048 algs you never need setup moves. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > Is there an easy way to get edge-orientation scrambles? I remember > Stefan generated a bunch of edge-permutation cases for us... can do you > the same with edge orientation? Yes, you can tell my scrambler to turn each of the four things (you know what I mean) on and off. Here are its example scrambles for edge orientation: http://tinyurl.com/kdbjh Cheers! Stefan

Actually the Chattahoochee (March 11) one is in Georgia. The Tennessee one is in April. Hope you can make it, the more Chris's the better :) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris and Chris, > > That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make > the Chris-venture to Tennechris. If any other Chris's decide to go, > we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track. > I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring > Tournament. > > -Chris (Parlette) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Yes! All events except blindfolded. Haven't tackled that one yet. > > Look forward to seeing you there. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I am I am! > > > > > > Are you going Chris? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Anyone else here attending this event? > > > > > > > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/2006/#ChattahoocheeSpring2006 > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > hmm...maybe...orient UL, UB, DL, DB...unless you have a special alg for that, I'd do D2 F2 R2 (4-flip) R2 F2 D2 > > Pedro With two setup moves: (f M) (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) (M' f') However, "my alg" fits better into your set moves: D2 F2 R2 (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2 = D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2 Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > However, "my alg" fits better into your set moves: > D2 F2 R2 (R2 F2 R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2 > = D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U) R2 F2 D2 Umh, better write it like this: D2 (R2 U2 M' U M U2 R2 F2 R2 U R2 F2) D2 Hey, nice "new" 4-flipper in there. Too bad it's quite slow :-) Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@> > wrote: > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess > situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give > them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random* > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a > meaningful chess situation. > > Cheers! > Stefan > I don't know where I read this first, but now Google quickly found this: http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/learn/html/e.8.1.html Quote: "[...] human chess masters are far more accurate than non-chess players at remembering chess board positions taken from real games, where the placement of pieces arose in strategic play and represented meaningful tactical positions. However, these masters were no better than non-chess players at memorizing random arrangements of pieces." Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > I'm reminded of how chess masters can be shown a complex chess > position for a fraction of a second, and remember it exactly. Do you remember a place where I could read about these results? The research I've found so far allowed 3-5 seconds to look at the board, then they looked how much the players remembered. And not even the grand masters remembered the whole board exactly. So that's quite a different result. Here's two pages I've found describing results of studies of Chase and Simon as well as of de Groot (search for "random" inside the pages): http://www.psy.fsu.edu/faculty/ericsson/ericsson.mem.exp.html http://jeays.net/files/psychchess.htm Cheers! Stefan

What do you mean by a "random" board? A board with e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less than, say 20 seconds? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> > wrote: > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess > situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give > them *random* boards they're not any better than other people (oh > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street who doesn't even > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're dealing with *random* > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters memorizing a > meaningful chess situation. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hey Chris, lol this made me crackup. I was just picturing a scene where every solver at a timer was a Chris with a jersey on with our last names, and people in the audience shouting "Go Chris!!" :-) And yes definitely, you should come! I agree with Chris Pelley, the more Chris's the better! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@...> wrote: > > Hi Chris and Chris, > > That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make > the Chris-venture to Tennechris. If any other Chris's decide to go, > we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track. > I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring > Tournament. > > -Chris (Parlette)

1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an impossible/illegal chess position 2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make sense. for example let's say I can take your queen with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much harder to memorize... just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever sander --- Rune Wesstr�m <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board with > e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other > case I can�t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious > problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the > board. Don�t you think a chess master would catch > this position in less than, say 20 seconds? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > Lars Petrus <lars@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with > a lot of talent and > > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing > with a 3x3x3. It > > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a > chess position. > > > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess > players can memorize > > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for > *real* chess > > situations coming from a *real* game that makes > sense. If you give > > them *random* boards they're not any better than > other people (oh > > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street > who doesn't even > > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're > dealing with *random* > > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters > memorizing a > > meaningful chess situation. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, I just got my mefferts megaminx, since there are so few on ebay, I bought there one. The problem is, that when I turn left, the center piece acts like a screw drive and the screw is coming out! I could of course try to solve it by only turning right (clockwise), but that is not good of course. Stefan, you're an expert, maybe you can help? I registered for megaminx at GCD, but now I can't even learn it :( If the crew would be glued to the core, I think it could turn good, but maybe I glue the center too... Help!

And what tells you that a "random board" must reflect a legal chess position? ----- Original Message ----- From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > 1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an > impossible/illegal chess position > 2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up > with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make > sense. for example let's say I can take your queen > with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of > your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make > sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much > harder to memorize... > > just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever > sander > > --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@hem.utfors.se> wrote: > > > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board with > > e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other > > case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious > > problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the > > board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch > > this position in less than, say 20 seconds? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > Lars Petrus <lars@...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with > > a lot of talent and > > > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing > > with a 3x3x3. It > > > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a > > chess position. > > > > > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess > > players can memorize > > > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for > > *real* chess > > > situations coming from a *real* game that makes > > sense. If you give > > > them *random* boards they're not any better than > > other people (oh > > > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street > > who doesn't even > > > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're > > dealing with *random* > > > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters > > memorizing a > > > meaningful chess situation. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

--- Rune Wesstr�m <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > And what tells you that a "random board" must > reflect a legal chess position? well when you talk about a random cube, you don't include cubes with 20 blue and 13 yellow stickers either... so why include chessboards with 3 kings? it just seemed logical :-) but i'll go read the articles stefan linked now. maybe they specify it in there... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi all, I play blindfold chess and am now working on blindfold cubing. I've made my own connection with it; For EP, I memorize edges as a combination of numbers and letters. I now have it split A-F and 1-6. If I run into a position that has: D4F3 in sequence, I'm able to visualize a chess position. Obviously this doesn't work with every combination of letters/numbers, but my comfort with bld chess helps in certain situations. I know this probably wasn't the direction the thread was going, but it works for me because it has personal appeal. I also used to be a huge basketball fan, so certain combinations of numbers become useful. (i.e. 23=Jordan, 45=Jordan's return, 21=Duncan, etc, etc.) As previously mentioned, I'm new to bld cubing, but the above mentioned strategies has helped with getting my EP under control. Thanks to Tyson for encouraging me to divvy up the solution. A bit more work with EP and CP and I'll get a successful solve in. (hopefully) Happy cubing and stay friendly -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > And what tells you that a "random board" must reflect a legal chess position? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > > > > 1) 3 kings isn't a random chess position... it's an > > impossible/illegal chess position > > 2) weird legal things aren't that hard to come up > > with, but are hard to memorize because they don't make > > sense. for example let's say I can take your queen > > with my bisschop, instead I put my knight in front of > > your rook... it's a legal move, but it doesn't make > > sense (and thus let's call it random), so it's much > > harder to memorize... > > > > just my 2 cents, euro's, whatever > > sander > > > > --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > > > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board with > > > e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other > > > case I can´t agree with you. Take e.g. some curious > > > problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the > > > board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch > > > this position in less than, say 20 seconds? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 3:45 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > Lars Petrus <lars@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with > > > a lot of talent and > > > > > years of dedicated practice, do the same thing > > > with a 3x3x3. It > > > > > doesn't hold more information than a face or a > > > chess position. > > > > > > > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess > > > players can memorize > > > > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for > > > *real* chess > > > > situations coming from a *real* game that makes > > > sense. If you give > > > > them *random* boards they're not any better than > > > other people (oh > > > > well, probably better than the dumbo on the street > > > who doesn't even > > > > know what chess is). But in blindsolving we're > > > dealing with *random* > > > > cubes, so that's not comparable to chess masters > > > memorizing a > > > > meaningful chess situation. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I think you can put a couple drops of superglue in the screw hole before you screw it in, and it should be ok.

How old are you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "sander hendrickx" <sanderhendrickx@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > --- Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > And what tells you that a "random board" must > > reflect a legal chess position? > > well when you talk about a random cube, > you don't include cubes with 20 blue > and 13 yellow stickers either... > so why include chessboards with 3 kings? > it just seemed logical :-) > > but i'll go read the articles stefan linked > now. maybe they specify it in there... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:45, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> > wrote: >> >> I don't see any reason why people couldn't, with a lot of talent and >> years of dedicated practice, do the same thing with a 3x3x3. It >> doesn't hold more information than a face or a chess position. > > Um... I disagree. What you mentioned, that chess players can memorize > a chess situation very quickly, that's only for *real* chess > situations coming from a *real* game that makes sense. If you give > them *random* boards they're not any better than other people. But in > blindsolving we're dealing with *random* cubes, so that's not > comparable to > chess masters memorizing a meaningful chess situation. You're of course right that it's only for meaningful positions. I'm not sure it invalidates my claim, but maybe it does. I would argue that to a cuber, all cube positions are meaningful. Just the fact that they're random doesn't mean they're hard to memorize/recognize. But maybe it is somehow fundamentally a much bigger harder problem in some way. It would be interesting to know how the number of possible "meaningful" chess positions compares to the number of possible cube positions. Not that that conclusively proves anything, but it's an indicator. On Mar 1, 2006, at 7:59, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Do you remember a place where I could read about these results? The > research I've found so far allowed 3-5 seconds to look at the board, > then they looked how much the players remembered. And not even the > grand masters remembered the whole board exactly. So that's quite a > different result. I got the "fraction of a second" from memory, and as you found that memory was a exaggerated by a factor of 10. Make your own 'irony' joke. Are there any other comparable cases of instant recognition that people do? I haven't had my coffee, so I can't think of any. I'm thinking less of conscious memorizing of symbols and more about things that plugs into our instinctive abilities. That's often thousand of times faster. - - - - - - - - - - - - "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -- George Bernard Shaw Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

You guys are making me want to come... :) -Chris On 3/1/06, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey Chris, > > lol this made me crackup. I was just picturing a scene where every > solver at a timer was a Chris with a jersey on with our last names, > and people in the audience shouting "Go Chris!!" > > :-) > > And yes definitely, you should come! I agree with Chris Pelley, the > more Chris's the better! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" > <cparlett@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris and Chris, > > > > That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make > > the Chris-venture to Tennechris. If any other Chris's decide to go, > > we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track. > > I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring > > Tournament. > > > > -Chris (Parlette) > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

So somewhere between work and school, I was assuming you guys meant "Tennessee" throughout this whole thing. Now that I'm on the right page, I don't think I can come to the Chattahoochee competition. However, I am doing my best to get to the Tennessee competition. Now that there are 4 Chris's in the conversation (actually, cubesmith makes 5), we might have to make those jerseys a reality! -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > You guys are making me want to come... :) > > -Chris > > On 3/1/06, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hey Chris, > > > > lol this made me crackup. I was just picturing a scene where every > > solver at a timer was a Chris with a jersey on with our last names, > > and people in the audience shouting "Go Chris!!" > > > > :-) > > > > And yes definitely, you should come! I agree with Chris Pelley, the > > more Chris's the better! > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" > > <cparlett@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Chris and Chris, > > > > > > That's 2 Chris's down, and this Chris is still unsure if he can make > > > the Chris-venture to Tennechris. If any other Chris's decide to go, > > > we'll have to make jerseys with our last names just to keep track. > > > I'm pretty sure they should change the name to the Chris Spring > > > Tournament. > > > > > > -Chris (Parlette) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> How old are you? 969, just like methusalem but seriously... a chessboard with 3 kings isn't a random chessboard at all. it's a combination of multiple chessboards. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone out there should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand masters are at memorize a chess board. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:43 AM, sander hendrickx wrote: >> How old are you? > > 969, just like methusalem > > but seriously... a chessboard with 3 kings isn't > a random chessboard at all. it's a combination > of multiple chessboards. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

What was meant is a random but valid situation. That is, put all valid situations into a big bag, close your eyes, and take one out of it. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > What do you mean by a "random" board? A board with e.g. three kings and five bishops on it? In other case I can´t agree with you. Take e. g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less than, say 20 seconds?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > You're of course right that it's only for meaningful positions. I'm > not sure it invalidates my claim, but maybe it does. > > I would argue that to a cuber, all cube positions are meaningful. > Just the fact that they're random doesn't mean they're hard to > memorize/recognize. But maybe it is somehow fundamentally a much > bigger harder problem in some way. I think it is a fundamentally different thing. Of course you can take a scrambled cube and interpret some meaning into it (e.g. the four corner orientations in the L layer look like "the wheel") but so can the chess masters for random chess boards (e.g. those three pieces are lined up as "pin"). A chess game always starts with the same state (unless we're talking about Fischer's random chess) and goes on from that in meaningful ways. A cube on the other hand starts scrambled, i.e. is meaningless right from the start, and only becomes "more meaningful" the closer you get to the solved state. > I got the "fraction of a second" from memory, and as you found that > memory was a exaggerated by a factor of 10. Make your own 'irony' joke. Ok... um... damn... I'm not good at joking when I'm expected to. I also can't tell jokes. > Are there any other comparable cases of instant recognition that > people do? I haven't had my coffee, so I can't think of any. I'm > thinking less of conscious memorizing of symbols and more about > things that plugs into our instinctive abilities. That's often > thousand of times faster. An important aspect is that we're looking for *exact* memorization. You can't make a single mistake or else you'll get DNF. Also, the memorized object should be "random" and have many different possible states. I can't think of any right now, either. Anyone? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I just got my mefferts megaminx, since there are so few on ebay, I > bought there one. The problem is, that when I turn left, the center > piece acts like a screw drive and the screw is coming out! I could of > course try to solve it by only turning right (clockwise), but that is > not good of course. Stefan, you're an expert, maybe you can help? I > registered for megaminx at GCD, but now I can't even learn it :( > If the crew would be glued to the core, I think it could turn good, > but maybe I glue the center too... > Help! The correct solution is: weaker/shorter springs. Cheers! Stefan

On 3/1/06, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > > An important aspect is that we're looking for *exact* memorization. > You can't make a single mistake or else you'll get DNF. Also, the > memorized object should be "random" and have many different possible > states. > > I can't think of any right now, either. Anyone? > BLD driving? :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone out there > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand masters are > at memorize a chess board. > > Tyson Mao Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To be quite honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with me, to train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a master level cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, would make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think I might need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or maybe I just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that better. J. Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system for the 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to handle the double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 that I don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it isn't that disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. All it takes is practice. Just my rambling $0.02 Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@> > wrote: > > > > Are there any other comparable cases of instant recognition that > > people do? I haven't had my coffee, so I can't think of any. I'm > > thinking less of conscious memorizing of symbols and more about > > things that plugs into our instinctive abilities. That's often > > thousand of times faster. > > An important aspect is that we're looking for *exact* memorization. > You can't make a single mistake or else you'll get DNF. Also, the > memorized object should be "random" and have many different possible > states. > > I can't think of any right now, either. Anyone? Here's one thing that just came to my mind, e.g. memorizing 40 bits in 1 second: http://www.recordholders.org/en/records/quick-memory/quick-memory.html Though, it's more technique and practice than the "instinctive" you asked for. Cheers! Stefan

I also recently got a Meffert's megaminx, and like you, I was initially disappointed with it... the thing was impossible to turn. I lubed it with silicone spray, and I've been wearing it in a little bit, and it's getting better. Also, on my cube, only one of the sides (orange) will untwist in the way you described... I assumed it was designed intentioanlly this way, so that people could easily open it. Maybe not. I'd be interested in hearing what happens here, since we have the same product. David Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I just got my mefferts megaminx, since there are so few on ebay, I > bought there one. The problem is, that when I turn left, the center > piece acts like a screw drive and the screw is coming out! I could of > course try to solve it by only turning right (clockwise), but that is > not good of course. Stefan, you're an expert, maybe you can help? I > registered for megaminx at GCD, but now I can't even learn it :( > If the crew would be glued to the core, I think it could turn good, > but maybe I glue the center too... > Help! The correct solution is: weaker/shorter springs. Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Chris: Try hexadecimal. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone out there > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand masters > are > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To be quite > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with me, to > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a master level > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, would > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think I might > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or maybe I > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that better. J. > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system for the > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to handle the > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 that I > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it isn't that > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. All it > takes is practice. > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > Chris >

http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/4x4.jpg ^ the last layer on my 4x4. Solvable? David --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

As long as you haven't switched any pieces from another 4x4 into that cube then you should be fine. The only thing required for a 4x4 to be solvable is for the corner orientation to be solvable. Everything else is allowed. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > http://www.geocities.com/ladartfrog/4x4.jpg > > ^ the last layer on my 4x4. Solvable? > > David > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

With help of Joel van Noort (Thanks Joel!) I glued the screws to the center. Indeed, the loose centers were: Orange, Light green and Light pink. I'll mess it up tomorrow for the first time :) We will see how it is going to behave... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David Pritts <ladartfrog@...> wrote: > > I also recently got a Meffert's megaminx, and like you, I was initially disappointed with it... the thing was impossible to turn. I lubed it with silicone spray, and I've been wearing it in a little bit, and it's getting better. > > Also, on my cube, only one of the sides (orange) will untwist in the way you described... I assumed it was designed intentioanlly this way, so that people could easily open it. Maybe not. > > I'd be interested in hearing what happens here, since we have the same product. > > David > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" > <megafrikkie@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I just got my mefferts megaminx, since there are so few on ebay, I > > bought there one. The problem is, that when I turn left, the center > > piece acts like a screw drive and the screw is coming out! I could > of > > course try to solve it by only turning right (clockwise), but that > is > > not good of course. Stefan, you're an expert, maybe you can help? I > > registered for megaminx at GCD, but now I can't even learn it :( > > If the crew would be glued to the core, I think it could turn good, > > but maybe I glue the center too... > > Help! > > The correct solution is: weaker/shorter springs. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

hi, i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... does anyone know how to solve the problem in the attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is easier than top down or middles then top down, but its what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of the cube is solved. -kyle simmons __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Marcus, yeah that would certainly minimize the number of two digit numbers, but I would still have to worry about 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 if I used hex. I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from 1 followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was a good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. But yeah, maybe doing this in hex would make things easier, since it gives me 6 fewer pieces to know. Actually maybe I could include consonant clusters too. So 0-9 could be the normal stuff, and maybe 10=ch 11=sh 11=st 12=str 13=gl 14=cl 15=sp 16=spl 17=tr 18=fr 19=bl 20=fl 21=shr 22=lm 23=rd 24=th so (1 7 24 19 17 6 20 10 15 9 14 11 3 12 18 21 23 11 8 5 4 22) which is the scramble on my 4x4 right now could be translated to the sounds: (t ck th bl tr g fl sh sp b cl st m str fr shr rd st f l r lm) and that could become the phrases TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH. SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet) FRies SHRei RD STaFF Lo ReaLM. Ok so that is a pretty nonsensical phrase, but I break it down like this. "TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH" is not hard to remember because of the alliteration, though it is meaningless. Just focus on the sounds. "SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet)" I picture as a street hotdog vendor on Speebackle St. and they Fry hotdogs so much better than the staff of the hotdog stand on Shrei RD that they put them to shame (low realm). Again it sounds weird, but I think this would be much faster than memorizing visually. My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence is proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory masters to work well? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Chris: Try hexadecimal. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone out > there > > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand > masters > > are > > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To be > quite > > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with me, > to > > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a master > level > > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, > would > > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think I > might > > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or maybe > I > > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that better. > J. > > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system for > the > > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to handle > the > > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 that > I > > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it isn't > that > > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. All it > > takes is practice. > > > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > > > Chris > > >

hi, i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... does anyone know how to solve the problem in the attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is easier than top down or middles then top down, but its what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of the cube is solved. -kyle simmons re posted due to attachment issues __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

still no attachment but i bet this will answer the question anyway http://www.bigcubes.com/5x5x5/lastedges.html ----- Original Message ---- From: kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> To: cube group <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:30:35 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] 5x5x5 parity issue(the hard way) (re post) now with attachment! hi, i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... does anyone know how to solve the problem in the attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is easier than top down or middles then top down, but its what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of the cube is solved. -kyle simmons re posted due to attachment issues __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scramble: B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' Solve: Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... I solve F2L really weirdly... Craig

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from 1 > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was a > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. Try encoding not 0-99 but 00-99, so you don't encode 1 and 8 but 01 and 08. > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence is > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory masters > to work well? You'll find the exact same translation from digits to sounds in books of different high-profile memory masters. I think it's the standard, haven't seen something with more sounds yet. They probably don't need more, for memorizing numbers 10 sounds is all they need and the next higher I think would be playing cards, and I doubt you have 52 enough different sounds :-) Cheers! Stefan

I made a little map to show some locations: http://stefan-pochmann.de/foo/gcd2006map.png You can see the train station, the youth hostel where most of us will be staying, and from last year to help you get a better picture, the Center hotel and the pub where we spent the evening before the cube day (note this year we'll have a seminar room in the youth hostel). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. Btw, it's phonetic, not pneumonic :-) Cheers! Stefan

Here is something I've been tweaking around with but let me know what you think. The following is mainly something I've been thinking about with respect to centers, but it could certainly apply to edges and the like as long as you define edges in consistent groups of four: blue = 1 white = 2 red = 3 yellow = 4 orange = 5 green = 6 Now, say we have the following colors for a group of four elements: blue green white red Which translates to 16 23 Now, I tried making the following table with increasing numbers down one side with the first six most-prevalent consonants in the English language for the main row. Consider the top number of the previous set, 16, and the bottom, 23. If the first digit is greater than the second of a given number, subtract them. If it is smaller, add. Doing so for all possible combinations will yield the following table (arbitrarily defining a case where if the two numbers are equal, they become 12): t n s h r d 12 (66) (55) (44) (33) (22) (11) 1 (65) (54) (43) (32) (21) 2 (64) (53) (42) (31) 3 (63) (52) (41) (12) 4 (62) (51) (13) 5 (61) (14) (23) 6 (15) (24) 7 (16) (25) (34) 8 (26) (35) 9 (36) (45) 10 (46) 11 (56) To remember the consonants, think "tin shard" without the vowels. Notice the general pattern of how the numbers are arranged. This can be reconstructed from memory if need be. (The general rule: Given your number, after determining whether or not to add or subtract, the sum/difference will equal the number on the left. If you subtracted, the left digit will denote its relative position in the table from the right side, and if you added, it will be the right digit instead denoting that same relative position.) Using the above table on the numbers (16) and (23) from the colors above, we have t7 h5 Changing the righthand numbers to letters: tghe Forming a wordphrase: tag hoe For this I would imagine someone playing tag with... a stripper, or maybe a gardener. Your choice. The idea here is that you can make whatever words (length, number of words, etc) you want as long as you can extract the letters in an every-other-letter fashion beginning with the letter of that given word. For example, "bullseye" would be blsy but "big tip" would be bgtp due to it being two words. Now, say you're in the middle of a solve and your memory hook for a side was "Road Hole" or something (imagining a pothole or something for the hook itself). Taking every-other letter within a given word we have: ra hl or r1 h12 or (21) (33) or white blue red red The idea here is to simplify 24 objects into 6 visual phrases that can be easily broken back down. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Marcus, > > yeah that would certainly minimize the number of two digit numbers, > but I would still have to worry about 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 if > I used hex. > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from 1 > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was a > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. > > But yeah, maybe doing this in hex would make things easier, since it > gives me 6 fewer pieces to know. > > Actually maybe I could include consonant clusters too. > > So 0-9 could be the normal stuff, and maybe 10=ch 11=sh 11=st 12=str > 13=gl 14=cl 15=sp 16=spl 17=tr 18=fr 19=bl 20=fl 21=shr 22=lm 23=rd > 24=th > > so (1 7 24 19 17 6 20 10 15 9 14 11 3 12 18 21 23 11 8 5 4 22) which > is the scramble on my 4x4 right now could be translated to the > sounds: > > (t ck th bl tr g fl sh sp b cl st m str fr shr rd st f l r lm) > > and that could become the phrases > > TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH. SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet) FRies > SHRei RD STaFF Lo ReaLM. > > Ok so that is a pretty nonsensical phrase, but I break it down like > this. "TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH" is not hard to remember > because of the alliteration, though it is meaningless. Just focus > on the sounds. "SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet)" I picture as a > street hotdog vendor on Speebackle St. and they Fry hotdogs so much > better than the staff of the hotdog stand on Shrei RD that they put > them to shame (low realm). > > Again it sounds weird, but I think this would be much faster than > memorizing visually. > > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence is > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory masters > to work well? > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Chris: Try hexadecimal. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone out > > there > > > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand > > masters > > > are > > > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To be > > quite > > > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with me, > > to > > > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > > > > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a master > > level > > > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, > > would > > > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > > > > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think I > > might > > > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or > maybe > > I > > > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that > better. > > J. > > > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system > for > > the > > > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to > handle > > the > > > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 > that > > I > > > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > > > > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it isn't > > that > > > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. All > it > > > takes is practice. > > > > > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > > > > > Chris > > > > > >

Official World Record Prizes I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA and www.speedcubing.com If you happen to set one of these records in an official arena then I'll award you one free custom logo set (Option A)! There is a last man standing rule, meaning that if you set a record you must retain it for at least 24 hrs before I'll award a prize. This allows for the same record to be broken at the same tournament or at another tournament the same day. This wouldn't be necessary but I've seen it happen before (Tyson/Leyan). Good Luck! Chris

Hi Chris :-) Why not make it a 2-day rule? Some competitions are over 2 days. Most often Saturday and Sunday ;-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jello33" <chris@...> wrote: > > Official World Record Prizes > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > and www.speedcubing.com > > If you happen to set one of these records in an official arena then > I'll award you one free custom logo set (Option A)! > > There is a last man standing rule, meaning that if you set a record > you must retain it for at least 24 hrs before I'll award a prize. > This allows for the same record to be broken at the same tournament or > at another tournament the same day. This wouldn't be necessary but > I've seen it happen before (Tyson/Leyan). > > Good Luck! > Chris >

thanks, this did awnser my question, for some reason konqueror did not allow the file throught or i forgot to hit something. anyway thanks. -kyle simmons Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: still no attachment but i bet this will answer the question anyway http://www.bigcubes.com/5x5x5/lastedges.html ----- Original Message ---- From: kyle simmons <beamfreak314@...> To: cube group <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:30:35 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] 5x5x5 parity issue(the hard way) (re post) now with attachment! hi, i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... does anyone know how to solve the problem in the attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is easier than top down or middles then top down, but its what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of the cube is solved. -kyle simmons re posted due to attachment issues __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stupid Leyan. :-P Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:32 PM, jello33 wrote: > Official World Record Prizes > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > and www.speedcubing.com > > If you happen to set one of these records in an official arena then > I'll award you one free custom logo set (Option A)! > > There is a last man standing rule, meaning that if you set a record > you must retain it for at least 24 hrs before I'll award a prize. > This allows for the same record to be broken at the same tournament or > at another tournament the same day. This wouldn't be necessary but > I've seen it happen before (Tyson/Leyan). > > Good Luck! > Chris > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Dear Kyle Simmons, I believe that in this Yahoo! group, file attachments have been disabled. If you want to share a file, you can post it here -http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/files/ - or you can upload it onto the web somewhere and send us a link. Sincerely, Anthony Hsu ----- Original Message ----- From: "kyle simmons" <beamfreak314@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] 5x5x5 parity issue(the hard way) (re post) now with attachment! > thanks, this did awnser my question, for some reason konqueror did not > allow the file throught or i forgot to hit something. > anyway thanks. > -kyle simmons

Hi all, Decided to bite the bullet and buy some cubesmith tiles... but which are the ones to get that you are all raving about? I see standard rubiks 3x3 tiles, but I also see lexan tiles which are a bit more money. I assume more money == better tiles, but thought I would ask. Thanks!

The ones which are like 50 cents for a set of 18 are not tiles.. those are stickers, which is probably not what you want., The tiles are the lexan ones. I like mine a lot.. I haven't tried the textured ones. David "stuart.a.hall" <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: Hi all, Decided to bite the bullet and buy some cubesmith tiles... but which are the ones to get that you are all raving about? I see standard rubiks 3x3 tiles, but I also see lexan tiles which are a bit more money. I assume more money == better tiles, but thought I would ask. Thanks! SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

already put some rubiks lube in there but wanted to know if theres anything else i can do to get its full potential in terms of being slick and loose. any suggestions?? ryan

the lexan ones are tiles. the vinyl stickers work perfectly fine too. they last as long as you don't chip them off with your nails etc. I personally grew to dislike the textured tiles. go for the smooth ones. the textured ones tend to get slippery... yes, paradoxical.. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stuart.a.hall" <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Decided to bite the bullet and buy some cubesmith tiles... but which > are the ones to get that you are all raving about? I see standard > rubiks 3x3 tiles, but I also see lexan tiles which are a bit more money. > > I assume more money == better tiles, but thought I would ask. Thanks! >

I guess you are all trying to devise a system to memorise the 24 edges using phonetic sound and its value system. There are only 10 phonetic sounds, even for memorising 52 playing cards. Let me give you some ideas for naming all the 24 edges in 4*4*4 using the phonetic sound and its value( using only 8 sounds). 1). First of all, classify the 24 edges into 3 categoris based on their positions, say TOP LAYER EDGES(8 EDGES), MIDDLE LAYER EDGES(8 EDGES) and BOTTOM LAYER EDGES(8 EDGES). 2). Number them(each laer) from 1 to 8 seperately in any order you like. 3). Coining/creating word(noun) for each piece. a). Top layer edges name should start with T, Middle layer edges name should start with M and Bottom layer edges name should strat with B. b). All layer edges name should end with the phonetic sound of the number of the edge. c). Introduce the no value letters( a,e i, o, u, w, h, y or any silent letter) in between the first letter (T, M or B) and the phonetic sound lettersto create a noun word which can be easily vizualised as a picture. d). That is the word for particular piece. Example :- TyRe is top layer 4th edge MoweR is middle layer 4th edge BeaR is bottom layer 4th edge If you want to memorise 2 pieces in one word, then we should apply some advanced system using the same 10 phonetic sound and its value. Hope it makes sense and may be helpful to you all. If not plz ignore it. John Louis Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from 1 > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was a > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. Try encoding not 0-99 but 00-99, so you don't encode 1 and 8 but 01 and 08. > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence is > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory masters > to work well? You'll find the exact same translation from digits to sounds in books of different high-profile memory masters. I think it's the standard, haven't seen something with more sounds yet. They probably don't need more, for memorizing numbers 10 sounds is all they need and the next higher I think would be playing cards, and I doubt you have 52 enough different sounds :-) Cheers! Stefan SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think Per is right and I'll have it cover a 2 day period so a weekend tournament is covered. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jello33" <chris@...> wrote: > > Official World Record Prizes > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > and www.speedcubing.com > > If you happen to set one of these records in an official arena then > I'll award you one free custom logo set (Option A)! > > There is a last man standing rule, meaning that if you set a record > you must retain it for at least 24 hrs before I'll award a prize. > This allows for the same record to be broken at the same tournament or > at another tournament the same day. This wouldn't be necessary but > I've seen it happen before (Tyson/Leyan). > > Good Luck! > Chris >

im interested in doing the 4x4x4 blindfolded. i understand the concept because i have been doing the 3x3x3 for a while, but i dont really know the algs for the center cycling and the edge cycling and i was wanding if there was a good plac that might have them.

"the textured ones tend to get slippery" I had the same problem too, that's why I now use vinyl stickers ;-) Gilles. 2006/3/2, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > the lexan ones are tiles. the vinyl stickers work perfectly fine too. > they last as long as you don't chip them off with your nails etc. > > I personally grew to dislike the textured tiles. go for the smooth > ones. the textured ones tend to get slippery... yes, paradoxical.. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stuart.a.hall" > <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > Decided to bite the bullet and buy some cubesmith tiles... but which > > are the ones to get that you are all raving about? I see standard > > rubiks 3x3 tiles, but I also see lexan tiles which are a bit more money. > > > > I assume more money == better tiles, but thought I would ask. Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Only the first pair looks weird to me... I would do that one in 7 moves... But I don't think it will get me a LL skip when I do it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Scramble: > > B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' > > Solve: > > Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 > R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 > > 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... > > I solve F2L really weirdly... > > Craig >

Hey, As far as I know there are two main, popular, methods for solving the edges and centers. One is Stefan's method (what doesn't Stefan do right?) and the other is called freestyle cycling. Also look out for a new one potentially coming soon, but I'll keep it at least somewhat quiet until the inventor comes posts about it. Stefan's approach works exactly like his BLD method does for permuting pieces on the 3x3, you solve pieces one at a time using a buffer piece and a location that you always setup an edge/center to. I know the basics of this method, but I'm not that good at it. However this method rocks, it's very fast paced and you will be able to solve the pieces quickly. Freestyle cycling is what I do, basically you get to know and love commutators and that's all you use. Just setup two edges (or centers) onto the same slice and one edge/center off that slice. Then use a commutator to move them. This approach requires a lot more thought than Stefan's method for each piece you solve, but it requires many fewer moves. Stefan and I have raced eachother with both approaches a number of times and they are pretty much tied. Both of our times were and are very similar, so it really just depends on which approach you like better. Stefan's method is all about faster recall and easier mental visualization, where freestyle cycling as about pure efficiency, but you expend a lot of thought power per piece trying to figure out how to cycle it. If you want more specifics then you can check out the BLD group. Also feel free to e-mail me or Stefan, I'm sure both of us could give you tips for either method, though my knowledge of his method is fairly basic. Which method are you interested in first? Then you can decide how to go from there. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" <washyourmonkey@...> wrote: > > im interested in doing the 4x4x4 blindfolded. i understand the concept > because i have been doing the 3x3x3 for a while, but i dont really > know the algs for the center cycling and the edge cycling and i was > wanding if there was a good plac that might have them. >

I'm 1 second faster when using my own colors (fluo orange/dark red, fluo green/dark blue). The question is rarely discussed. It's surprising, because speedcubing is based on anticipation, and color perception in fundamental. We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. Gilles.

No idea? Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less than, say 20 seconds? Yahoo! Groups Links

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > Here's one thing that just came to my mind, e.g. memorizing 40 bits in > 1 second: > http://www.recordholders.org/en/records/quick-memory/quick-memory.html Interesting -- analogous to memorizing orientations "at a glance"? You said at some point that a random position is not "meaningful" information (or something similar) and that "meaning" increases as the cube is solved. But you can easily imagine someone breaking up the pattern of orientations into blocks that they could solve independently of the rest, so that the "random" pattern of orientations would become "meaningful" in the context of their solution method. The permutation is harder, though the cycles could be thought of as the meaningful content for anyone who solves along cycles. You might imagine someone being able to memorize a cycle as soon as they had perceived it (maybe some can do this already?), but the rate limiting step would be "seeing the cycle" in the first place. Sorry if someone has already said the same thing in this thread... Mike

I agree with Gilles, the colors on a regular speedcube are not perfect. If someone could research which colors are the best, recognition would be a bit easier. Maybe it is also important that the bottom and top layer are the most distinctive, for F2L + LL --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > I'm 1 second faster when using my own colors (fluo orange/dark red, > fluo green/dark blue). > > The question is rarely discussed. It's surprising, because speedcubing > is based on anticipation, and color perception in fundamental. > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > > Gilles. >

On 3/2/06, Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > I'm 1 second faster when using my own colors (fluo orange/dark red, > fluo green/dark blue). > > The question is rarely discussed. It's surprising, because speedcubing > is based on anticipation, and color perception in fundamental. > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > > Gilles. It would depend on the method. For most CFOP solvers, I would imagine they would want the most distinct possible colors for each face separately, with a possible exception for a pair of opposite faces (to make opposite color solving easier). For Roux solving, it would probably work best to try for the maximum amount of color distinction while still retaining some similarity between opposite faces, because opposite colors are so important for the method. It's all down to method preference, really. -Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. Yes, we do need an expert to help. But, disregarding that, we could make a start by selecting colours that are entirely unlike all other colours. For example, you would rule out purple, because we perceive it as both "bluish" and "reddish". Those fundamental colours that are unlike all others are usually called the psychological primaries (PPs). For centuries, artists have agreed that the PPs are red, yellow, blue, and green. Lay those 4 out on a circle with R opp G and Y opp B and you can fit all other colours into the gaps -- as you probably did in art classes at school. [There is supposed to be a good physiological basis for the 4 PPs, too: it is /not/ based in the retina -- where there are only 3 kinds of colour receptor -- but in the way that colour information is transmitted from eye to brain. My limited understanding of this is that there is a red/green channel (which transmits EITHER R OR G information, but not both) and a blue/yellow channel (similarly).] So that gives 4 colours that it should be hard to confuse in good light. Perhaps the non-colours black/white could be used for the other 2 faces, but (personally) I have found that black makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable -- it looks too "empty" on a cube. Mike

I wonder; could it be a good strategy in memorizing binary digits to translate them into hexadecimal digits? Then you have unlimited time to retranslate them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Instant recognition

And black isn´t too unlike blue (especially in a bad illuminated environment). ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike_go_uk" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > So that gives 4 colours that it should be hard to confuse in good > light. Perhaps the non-colours black/white could be used for the other > 2 faces, but (personally) I have found that black makes me feel vaguely > uncomfortable -- it looks too "empty" on a cube. > > Mike

The black stickers work great on a white cube, though (in place of white stickers). Speaking of which, anyone try the 2006 white cubes (with arched centers) yet? Mine are due to arrive today. I'll have a full report later tonight. For corners-first, I preferred the Japanese color scheme (blue opposite white) and I also liked flourescent orange. Opposite color recognition did come into play more with that method. For the last four edges it was easier to see orientation with those colors. I'm not sure if this was just my preference or a real physiological factor. With CFOP I use the standard color scheme and regular orange. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > 2 faces, but (personally) I have found that black makes me feel vaguely > uncomfortable -- it looks too "empty" on a cube.

Interesting. I tried that scramble and I solved opposite cross (actually, x-cross). It ended up with a really nice F2L and a PLL skip (11.15 seconds). Casey --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Scramble: > > B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' > > Solve: > > Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 > R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 > > 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... > > I solve F2L really weirdly... > > Craig >

On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 09:42:14AM -0800, Lars Petrus wrote: > Are there any other comparable cases of instant recognition that > people do? I haven't had my coffee, so I can't think of any. I'm > thinking less of conscious memorizing of symbols and more about > things that plugs into our instinctive abilities. That's often > thousand of times faster. This is the massively parallel nature of the brain. An example is human hearing. In music, we can easily distinguish the different layers that are being played. The problem is that we start with a single complex sound wave, and we have to separate it into different frequencies corresponding to different pitches. Regular PCs still can't do this as fast as humans can. How do computers do it? By fourier analysis, a computer can break down a complex wave into pure sine wave components, each representing a different frequency that is present in the original signal. How do humans do it? A human ear has about 20,000 little sensory cells, each tuned to respond to a different frequency. Each of those sensory cells has immediate recognition of its own frequency :-) Ryan

damn, i bet with xcross it would be good. no skips for me. On 3/2/06, caseyp_09 <caseyp@...> wrote: > Interesting. I tried that scramble and I solved opposite cross > (actually, x-cross). It ended up with a really nice F2L and a PLL skip > (11.15 seconds). > > Casey > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > Scramble: > > > > B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' > > > > Solve: > > > > Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 > > R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 > > > > 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... > > > > I solve F2L really weirdly... > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Hey Casey, I did the Xcross Opposite too and got the PLL Skip...I can do the scramble and both solves BLD now...so I get to wow ppl...hehe Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "caseyp_09" <caseyp@...> wrote: > > Interesting. I tried that scramble and I solved opposite cross > (actually, x-cross). It ended up with a really nice F2L and a PLL skip > (11.15 seconds). > > Casey > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Scramble: > > > > B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' > > > > Solve: > > > > Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 > > R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 > > > > 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... > > > > I solve F2L really weirdly... > > > > Craig > > >

Markku Uusipaavalniemi was again cubing on tv. Time was something like 1 minute 18 seconds and still he got applause. Finns know nothing...

Contact the tv company and tell them you can do it in sub-15 all the time. Maybe they want you to come and show off. :-) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > Markku Uusipaavalniemi was again cubing on tv. Time was something like > 1 minute 18 seconds and still he got applause. Finns know nothing... >

I might also add here that you can figure out the cycles needed by examining the interplay of the letters of the first word in each visual set. It would then just be a matter of how quickly you can translate two letters into two colors using the table. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Here is something I've been tweaking around with but let me know > what you think. The following is mainly something I've been > thinking about with respect to centers, but it could certainly apply > to edges and the like as long as you define edges in consistent > groups of four: > > blue = 1 white = 2 red = 3 yellow = 4 orange = 5 green = 6 > > Now, say we have the following colors for a group of four elements: > > blue green > white red > > Which translates to > > 16 > 23 > > Now, I tried making the following table with increasing numbers down > one side with the first six most-prevalent consonants in the English > language for the main row. Consider the top number of the previous > set, 16, and the bottom, 23. If the first digit is greater than the > second of a given number, subtract them. If it is smaller, add. > Doing so for all possible combinations will yield the following > table (arbitrarily defining a case where if the two numbers are > equal, they become 12): > > t n s h r d > 12 (66) (55) (44) (33) (22) (11) > 1 (65) (54) (43) (32) (21) > 2 (64) (53) (42) (31) > 3 (63) (52) (41) (12) > 4 (62) (51) (13) > 5 (61) (14) (23) > 6 (15) (24) > 7 (16) (25) (34) > 8 (26) (35) > 9 (36) (45) > 10 (46) > 11 (56) > > To remember the consonants, think "tin shard" without the vowels. > > Notice the general pattern of how the numbers are arranged. This > can be reconstructed from memory if need be. > > (The general rule: Given your number, after determining whether or > not to add or subtract, the sum/difference will equal the number on > the left. If you subtracted, the left digit will denote its > relative position in the table from the right side, and if you > added, it will be the right digit instead denoting that same > relative position.) > > Using the above table on the numbers (16) and (23) from the colors > above, we have > > t7 > h5 > > Changing the righthand numbers to letters: > > tghe > Forming a wordphrase: > tag hoe > > For this I would imagine someone playing tag with... a stripper, or > maybe a gardener. Your choice. The idea here is that you can make > whatever words (length, number of words, etc) you want as long as > you can extract the letters in an every-other-letter fashion > beginning with the letter of that given word. For > example, "bullseye" would be blsy but "big tip" would be bgtp due to > it being two words. > > Now, say you're in the middle of a solve and your memory hook for a > side was "Road Hole" or something (imagining a pothole or something > for the hook itself). Taking every-other letter within a given word > we have: > > ra > hl > > or > > r1 > h12 > > or > > (21) > (33) > > or > > white blue > red red > > The idea here is to simplify 24 objects into 6 visual phrases that > can be easily broken back down. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey Marcus, > > > > yeah that would certainly minimize the number of two digit > numbers, > > but I would still have to worry about 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 > if > > I used hex. > > > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from > 1 > > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was > a > > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. > > > > But yeah, maybe doing this in hex would make things easier, since > it > > gives me 6 fewer pieces to know. > > > > Actually maybe I could include consonant clusters too. > > > > So 0-9 could be the normal stuff, and maybe 10=ch 11=sh 11=st > 12=str > > 13=gl 14=cl 15=sp 16=spl 17=tr 18=fr 19=bl 20=fl 21=shr 22=lm > 23=rd > > 24=th > > > > so (1 7 24 19 17 6 20 10 15 9 14 11 3 12 18 21 23 11 8 5 4 22) > which > > is the scramble on my 4x4 right now could be translated to the > > sounds: > > > > (t ck th bl tr g fl sh sp b cl st m str fr shr rd st f l r lm) > > > > and that could become the phrases > > > > TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH. SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet) FRies > > SHRei RD STaFF Lo ReaLM. > > > > Ok so that is a pretty nonsensical phrase, but I break it down > like > > this. "TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH" is not hard to remember > > because of the alliteration, though it is meaningless. Just focus > > on the sounds. "SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet)" I picture as a > > street hotdog vendor on Speebackle St. and they Fry hotdogs so > much > > better than the staff of the hotdog stand on Shrei RD that they > put > > them to shame (low realm). > > > > Again it sounds weird, but I think this would be much faster than > > memorizing visually. > > > > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence > is > > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory > masters > > to work well? > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Chris: Try hexadecimal. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone > out > > > there > > > > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand > > > masters > > > > are > > > > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To > be > > > quite > > > > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with > me, > > > to > > > > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > > > > > > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a > master > > > level > > > > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, > > > would > > > > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > > > > > > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think > I > > > might > > > > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or > > maybe > > > I > > > > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that > > better. > > > J. > > > > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system > > for > > > the > > > > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to > > handle > > > the > > > > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 > > that > > > I > > > > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > > > > > > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it > isn't > > > that > > > > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. > All > > it > > > > takes is practice. > > > > > > > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > >

What if I broke a record 2 times on the same tournament? do I get two prizes? haha just kidding...I'm probably not going to break any records... Pedro jello33 <chris@...> escreveu: I think Per is right and I'll have it cover a 2 day period so a weekend tournament is covered. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jello33" <chris@...> wrote: > > Official World Record Prizes > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > and www.speedcubing.com > > If you happen to set one of these records in an official arena then > I'll award you one free custom logo set (Option A)! > > There is a last man standing rule, meaning that if you set a record > you must retain it for at least 24 hrs before I'll award a prize. > This allows for the same record to be broken at the same tournament or > at another tournament the same day. This wouldn't be necessary but > I've seen it happen before (Tyson/Leyan). > > Good Luck! > Chris > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I got a 50-move solve (short for me) but no PLL skip: scramble: B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' xcross: B' U2 R B' r' F U' F' x' ce2: d L' U' L U2 R U R' ce3: y2 L2 U2 L U L' U L2 ce4: U' R' U R U y R U' R' oll: B' R' F R B R' F' R pll: d2 B2 R' U' R B2 r' B r' U' L2 Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "caseyp_09" <caseyp@...> wrote: > > Interesting. I tried that scramble and I solved opposite cross > (actually, x-cross). It ended up with a really nice F2L and a PLL skip > (11.15 seconds). > > Casey > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Scramble: > > > > B F2 L' F L2 B' D2 B2 D2 R U' R' F R' L' B2 D' F2 U2 R L2 F2 B2 R2 U' > > > > Solve: > > > > Cross: U' R2 D2 R' F' Pair 1: R' U R L' U2 L d R' U2 R Pair 2: y' R U2 > > R' U R U' R' Pair 3: U R' U R d R U R' Pair 4: L U L' U2 L U' L' U2 > > > > 38 Move solve: my original time was 15.74...I know I'm slow... > > > > I solve F2L really weirdly... > > > > Craig > > >

I suspect different shapes can also help. You could even have opposite sides have the same color but different shapes. Maybe that's cheating or a different sport though. In theory I would have thought that silver/metallic would be good, since it's very distinctive, but when I try the 25y cube, I'm completely thrown by it. /Lars On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:10, Gilles Roux wrote: > I'm 1 second faster when using my own colors (fluo orange/dark red, > fluo green/dark blue). > > The question is rarely discussed. It's surprising, because speedcubing > is based on anticipation, and color perception in fundamental. > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > > Gilles.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > No idea? > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less than, > say 20 seconds? Hmm, what message are you referring to? "Up Thread" leads here: http://games.groups.yahoo. com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/26956 What do you mean with "catch"? Cheers! Stefan

Yea, I can do a sub 40 solve now. So I wish ... of course I choke under pressure still. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Contact the tv company and tell them you can do it in sub-15 all the > time. Maybe they want you to come and show off. :-) > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" > <mahtianssi@> wrote: > > > > Markku Uusipaavalniemi was again cubing on tv. Time was something like > > 1 minute 18 seconds and still he got applause. Finns know nothing... > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@.. .> wrote: > > You said at some point that a random position is not "meaningful" > information (or something similar) and that "meaning" increases as the > cube is solved. > But you can easily imagine someone breaking up the pattern of > orientations into blocks that they could solve independently of the > rest, so that the "random" pattern of orientations would > become "meaningful" in the context of their solution method. Yes, of course you can interpret some meaning into a random cube. But like I said before, so can the chess masters with a random board. Still, for random boards they're no better than weak players. Their memorization "at a glance" only works for really meaningful boards, i. e. where they see patterns they know and understand. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jello33" <chris@...> wrote: > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > and www.speedcubing.com Gosh, why didn't you say that earlier? :-) Cheers! Stefan

Hmm, I don't fully understand it, but it sounds a bit unnecessarily complicated to me. You want to take a sequence of four colors and translate it to one word with four key consonants, right? Why not simply assign one consonant to each color (e.g. blue=B, green=G, white=W, red=R, orange=?, yellow=?) and then translate directly? Gets rid of the computation and the indirection through numbers... Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Here is something I've been tweaking around with but let me know > what you think. The following is mainly something I've been > thinking about with respect to centers, but it could certainly apply > to edges and the like as long as you define edges in consistent > groups of four: > > blue = 1 white = 2 red = 3 yellow = 4 orange = 5 green = 6 > > Now, say we have the following colors for a group of four elements: > > blue green > white red > > Which translates to > > 16 > 23 > > Now, I tried making the following table with increasing numbers down > one side with the first six most-prevalent consonants in the English > language for the main row. Consider the top number of the previous > set, 16, and the bottom, 23. If the first digit is greater than the > second of a given number, subtract them. If it is smaller, add. > Doing so for all possible combinations will yield the following > table (arbitrarily defining a case where if the two numbers are > equal, they become 12): > > t n s h r d > 12 (66) (55) (44) (33) (22) (11) > 1 (65) (54) (43) (32) (21) > 2 (64) (53) (42) (31) > 3 (63) (52) (41) (12) > 4 (62) (51) (13) > 5 (61) (14) (23) > 6 (15) (24) > 7 (16) (25) (34) > 8 (26) (35) > 9 (36) (45) > 10 (46) > 11 (56) > > To remember the consonants, think "tin shard" without the vowels. > > Notice the general pattern of how the numbers are arranged. This > can be reconstructed from memory if need be. > > (The general rule: Given your number, after determining whether or > not to add or subtract, the sum/difference will equal the number on > the left. If you subtracted, the left digit will denote its > relative position in the table from the right side, and if you > added, it will be the right digit instead denoting that same > relative position.) > > Using the above table on the numbers (16) and (23) from the colors > above, we have > > t7 > h5 > > Changing the righthand numbers to letters: > > tghe > Forming a wordphrase: > tag hoe > > For this I would imagine someone playing tag with... a stripper, or > maybe a gardener. Your choice. The idea here is that you can make > whatever words (length, number of words, etc) you want as long as > you can extract the letters in an every-other-letter fashion > beginning with the letter of that given word. For > example, "bullseye" would be blsy but "big tip" would be bgtp due to > it being two words. > > Now, say you're in the middle of a solve and your memory hook for a > side was "Road Hole" or something (imagining a pothole or something > for the hook itself). Taking every-other letter within a given word > we have: > > ra > hl > > or > > r1 > h12 > > or > > (21) > (33) > > or > > white blue > red red > > The idea here is to simplify 24 objects into 6 visual phrases that > can be easily broken back down. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey Marcus, > > > > yeah that would certainly minimize the number of two digit > numbers, > > but I would still have to worry about 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 > if > > I used hex. > > > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from > 1 > > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was > a > > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. > > > > But yeah, maybe doing this in hex would make things easier, since > it > > gives me 6 fewer pieces to know. > > > > Actually maybe I could include consonant clusters too. > > > > So 0-9 could be the normal stuff, and maybe 10=ch 11=sh 11=st > 12=str > > 13=gl 14=cl 15=sp 16=spl 17=tr 18=fr 19=bl 20=fl 21=shr 22=lm > 23=rd > > 24=th > > > > so (1 7 24 19 17 6 20 10 15 9 14 11 3 12 18 21 23 11 8 5 4 22) > which > > is the scramble on my 4x4 right now could be translated to the > > sounds: > > > > (t ck th bl tr g fl sh sp b cl st m str fr shr rd st f l r lm) > > > > and that could become the phrases > > > > TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH. SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet) FRies > > SHRei RD STaFF Lo ReaLM. > > > > Ok so that is a pretty nonsensical phrase, but I break it down > like > > this. "TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH" is not hard to remember > > because of the alliteration, though it is meaningless. Just focus > > on the sounds. "SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet)" I picture as a > > street hotdog vendor on Speebackle St. and they Fry hotdogs so > much > > better than the staff of the hotdog stand on Shrei RD that they > put > > them to shame (low realm). > > > > Again it sounds weird, but I think this would be much faster than > > memorizing visually. > > > > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence > is > > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory > masters > > to work well? > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Chris: Try hexadecimal. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone > out > > > there > > > > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand > > > masters > > > > are > > > > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To > be > > > quite > > > > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with > me, > > > to > > > > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > > > > > > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a > master > > > level > > > > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, > > > would > > > > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > > > > > > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think > I > > > might > > > > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or > > maybe > > > I > > > > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that > > better. > > > J. > > > > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system > > for > > > the > > > > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to > > handle > > > the > > > > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 > > that > > > I > > > > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > > > > > > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it > isn't > > > that > > > > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. > All > > it > > > > takes is practice. > > > > > > > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > >

I build a cross and my first pair. This takes about ten seconds. It's awful Can anybody give me tips on how to help w/ this step in my cubing. Here's an avg of 12 on my cross w/ P1 9.32, 7.77, 9.91, 8.98, 7.92, 6.13, 8.69, (4.50), 8.68, 6.22, (10.60), 8.52 => 8.21 granted this was actually very good for me and if I had not of stopped on that 6.22 I would of had sub 30 but what do you guys look for that allow you to do the whole f2l in sub 15?!

Contact Markku and offer to show him the ways of the cube. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 2, 2006, at 6:43 AM, Anssi Vanhala wrote: > Markku Uusipaavalniemi was again cubing on tv. Time was something like > 1 minute 18 seconds and still he got applause. Finns know nothing... > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

That can work, but the problem is the limited number of letters used. I was trying to find a way to introduce more letters of the alphabet. Like I recall reading about a memory hook somewhere where people might say "Zazu zizo" but of course it could be very easily confused with "Zazi zuzo" for instance. Although the table seems "complex" at first, if you memorized it it would make conversions very fast. Read this: http://www.slate.com/id/2114925/?GT1=6208 http://c1blog.blogspot.com/2005/03/memory-olympiads.html A lot of extensive memory methods have seemingly complex bases, and by this I mean a memory set with multiple associations (one person in the above article has something associated with all numbers 0- 99). The more you use the same memory hooks, the easier it is. An extensive base allows for more unique and easily distuingishable associations. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Hmm, I don't fully understand it, but it sounds a bit unnecessarily > complicated to me. > > You want to take a sequence of four colors and translate it to one > word with four key consonants, right? Why not simply assign one > consonant to each color (e.g. blue=B, green=G, white=W, red=R, > orange=?, yellow=?) and then translate directly? Gets rid of the > computation and the indirection through numbers... > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Here is something I've been tweaking around with but let me know > > what you think. The following is mainly something I've been > > thinking about with respect to centers, but it could certainly apply > > to edges and the like as long as you define edges in consistent > > groups of four: > > > > blue = 1 white = 2 red = 3 yellow = 4 orange = 5 green = 6 > > > > Now, say we have the following colors for a group of four elements: > > > > blue green > > white red > > > > Which translates to > > > > 16 > > 23 > > > > Now, I tried making the following table with increasing numbers down > > one side with the first six most-prevalent consonants in the English > > language for the main row. Consider the top number of the previous > > set, 16, and the bottom, 23. If the first digit is greater than the > > second of a given number, subtract them. If it is smaller, add. > > Doing so for all possible combinations will yield the following > > table (arbitrarily defining a case where if the two numbers are > > equal, they become 12): > > > > t n s h r d > > 12 (66) (55) (44) (33) (22) (11) > > 1 (65) (54) (43) (32) (21) > > 2 (64) (53) (42) (31) > > 3 (63) (52) (41) (12) > > 4 (62) (51) (13) > > 5 (61) (14) (23) > > 6 (15) (24) > > 7 (16) (25) (34) > > 8 (26) (35) > > 9 (36) (45) > > 10 (46) > > 11 (56) > > > > To remember the consonants, think "tin shard" without the vowels. > > > > Notice the general pattern of how the numbers are arranged. This > > can be reconstructed from memory if need be. > > > > (The general rule: Given your number, after determining whether or > > not to add or subtract, the sum/difference will equal the number on > > the left. If you subtracted, the left digit will denote its > > relative position in the table from the right side, and if you > > added, it will be the right digit instead denoting that same > > relative position.) > > > > Using the above table on the numbers (16) and (23) from the colors > > above, we have > > > > t7 > > h5 > > > > Changing the righthand numbers to letters: > > > > tghe > > Forming a wordphrase: > > tag hoe > > > > For this I would imagine someone playing tag with... a stripper, or > > maybe a gardener. Your choice. The idea here is that you can make > > whatever words (length, number of words, etc) you want as long as > > you can extract the letters in an every-other-letter fashion > > beginning with the letter of that given word. For > > example, "bullseye" would be blsy but "big tip" would be bgtp due to > > it being two words. > > > > Now, say you're in the middle of a solve and your memory hook for a > > side was "Road Hole" or something (imagining a pothole or something > > for the hook itself). Taking every-other letter within a given word > > we have: > > > > ra > > hl > > > > or > > > > r1 > > h12 > > > > or > > > > (21) > > (33) > > > > or > > > > white blue > > red red > > > > The idea here is to simplify 24 objects into 6 visual phrases that > > can be easily broken back down. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Marcus, > > > > > > yeah that would certainly minimize the number of two digit > > numbers, > > > but I would still have to worry about 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 > > if > > > I used hex. > > > > > > I mean maybe this isn't a problem trying to keep 18 seperate from > > 1 > > > followed by 8, but I'm new to this and wanted to ask if there was > > a > > > good technique in terms of using those pneumonic word systems. > > > > > > But yeah, maybe doing this in hex would make things easier, since > > it > > > gives me 6 fewer pieces to know. > > > > > > Actually maybe I could include consonant clusters too. > > > > > > So 0-9 could be the normal stuff, and maybe 10=ch 11=sh 11=st > > 12=str > > > 13=gl 14=cl 15=sp 16=spl 17=tr 18=fr 19=bl 20=fl 21=shr 22=lm > > 23=rd > > > 24=th > > > > > > so (1 7 24 19 17 6 20 10 15 9 14 11 3 12 18 21 23 11 8 5 4 22) > > which > > > is the scramble on my 4x4 right now could be translated to the > > > sounds: > > > > > > (t ck th bl tr g fl sh sp b cl st m str fr shr rd st f l r lm) > > > > > > and that could become the phrases > > > > > > TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH. SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet) FRies > > > SHRei RD STaFF Lo ReaLM. > > > > > > Ok so that is a pretty nonsensical phrase, but I break it down > > like > > > this. "TaCK THe BLue TRue Goo FLaSH" is not hard to remember > > > because of the alliteration, though it is meaningless. Just focus > > > on the sounds. "SPee BaCkLe ST (Mouth STReet)" I picture as a > > > street hotdog vendor on Speebackle St. and they Fry hotdogs so > > much > > > better than the staff of the hotdog stand on Shrei RD that they > > put > > > them to shame (low realm). > > > > > > Again it sounds weird, but I think this would be much faster than > > > memorizing visually. > > > > > > My question is that I highly doubt my number/sound correspondence > > is > > > proven to work well. Is there one where I can utilize 24 distinct > > > sound/consonants/consonant clusters that is proven by memory > > masters > > > to work well? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Chris: Try hexadecimal. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's very easy to put an end to this discussion. Someone > > out > > > > there > > > > > > should just learn to memorize as good as those chess grand > > > > masters > > > > > are > > > > > > at memorize a chess board. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh man would I love to learn to have a memory that good. To > > be > > > > quite > > > > > honest this is actually becoming a hobby level interest with > > me, > > > > to > > > > > train myself to be able to memorize well and quickly. > > > > > > > > > > I think, honestly, that training a memory master to be a > > master > > > > level > > > > > cuber, or training a master level cuber to be a memory master, > > > > would > > > > > make for some very impressive times in the blindfold arena. > > > > > > > > > > I like using stories so far for big cube centers, but I think > > I > > > > might > > > > > need a beter method for my edges to memorize superfast. Or > > > maybe > > > > I > > > > > just need to work on my visualizing and learn to use that > > > better. > > > > J. > > > > > Bernett, I've thought about using the pneumonic number system > > > for > > > > the > > > > > 4x4 edges and 5x5 wing edges, but is there are easy way to > > > handle > > > > the > > > > > double digit numbers? How would I make sure in memorizing 19 > > > that > > > > I > > > > > don't accidently confuse it as 1 then 9 instead? > > > > > > > > > > In short, memory is awesome, and I can see how training it > > isn't > > > > that > > > > > disimilar to training yourself to speedsolve a 3x3x3 cube. > > All > > > it > > > > > takes is practice. > > > > > > > > > > Just my rambling $0.02 > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on > the board. > > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less > than, > > say 20 seconds? > > What do you mean with "catch"? > > Cheers! > Stefan > I guess "notice" Tim

Some notes: I used stefan's method to solve the 4x4x4 blindfolded (am I the first? :) ) and it's very, very nice and easy to understand. You need to visit some of the old posts in the BLD group to understand it, but it's really simple after that. Basically you have a buffer that swaps between two places. Don't worry, you'll get it :) Oh, and Chris is going to Big-Up(tm) his way of moving blocks of pieces at a time (which i'm trying at the moment), don't delve in until you understand the basics :) The algs I use: Parity: R' F' (l' U2) (l' U2) x (U2 l') (U2 r) x' (U2 r') (U2 l2) F R Edges: R U R' U' (Rr) R' U R U' (Rr)' (Rr) U R' U' (Rr)' R U R U' R' Centres: U r' u' r U' r' u r r' u' r U r' u r U' ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey, > > As far as I know there are two main, popular, methods for solving the > edges and centers. One is Stefan's method (what doesn't Stefan do > right?) and the other is called freestyle cycling. Also look out for > a new one potentially coming soon, but I'll keep it at least somewhat > quiet until the inventor comes posts about it. > > Stefan's approach works exactly like his BLD method does for permuting > pieces on the 3x3, you solve pieces one at a time using a buffer piece > and a location that you always setup an edge/center to. I know the > basics of this method, but I'm not that good at it. However this > method rocks, it's very fast paced and you will be able to solve the > pieces quickly. > > Freestyle cycling is what I do, basically you get to know and love > commutators and that's all you use. Just setup two edges (or centers) > onto the same slice and one edge/center off that slice. Then use a > commutator to move them. This approach requires a lot more thought > than Stefan's method for each piece you solve, but it requires many > fewer moves. > > Stefan and I have raced eachother with both approaches a number of > times and they are pretty much tied. Both of our times were and are > very similar, so it really just depends on which approach you like > better. Stefan's method is all about faster recall and easier mental > visualization, where freestyle cycling as about pure efficiency, but > you expend a lot of thought power per piece trying to figure out how > to cycle it. > > If you want more specifics then you can check out the BLD group. Also > feel free to e-mail me or Stefan, I'm sure both of us could give you > tips for either method, though my knowledge of his method is fairly basic. > > Which method are you interested in first? Then you can decide how to > go from there. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "washyourmonkey" > <washyourmonkey@> wrote: > > > > im interested in doing the 4x4x4 blindfolded. i understand the concept > > because i have been doing the 3x3x3 for a while, but i dont really > > know the algs for the center cycling and the edge cycling and i was > > wanding if there was a good plac that might have them. > > >

I like to keep yellow and white (bright) on the L or R sides for my two blocks, because since most of the time is in the first two blocks, you want them standing out. Plus, they're easily distinguished. For my top layer/bottom layer, I have blue/green. This is because these colours are the ones most similar to each other on the cube. This is handy for: Inverted blocks Orientation of the LSE Seeing multiple blocks as the same block Thinking about the last one, I try and see green/blue as the same colour, so that when I solve, I can start on a white or yellow block, with either blue or green at the bottom, and it will not feel strange. This allows me to start on any one of four blocks, then expand to a further two different ones. Of course, you need NMCMLL :) Ever tryed solving on colours you're not used to? baffling. Didn't used to be when i used petrus, but It felt 'wrong'. Also, solving on my cube with the weird colour scheme is odd, (orange is opposite white). ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > I'm 1 second faster when using my own colors (fluo orange/dark red, > fluo green/dark blue). > > The question is rarely discussed. It's surprising, because speedcubing > is based on anticipation, and color perception in fundamental. > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > > Gilles. >

Message #27118 (e.g.) With "catch" I meant "memorize". But skip it! It´s not that important. From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > No idea? > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on the board. > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less than, > say 20 seconds? Hmm, what message are you referring to? "Up Thread" leads here: http://games.groups.yahoo. com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/26956 What do you mean with "catch"? Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Stefan, Nowadays, finding out mate in 3 or 4 or even 5 is a childs play even when all the pieces are on the board. They know exactly what to look for and where to look etc ? If you know all the basic end games in chess, it is a cat's walk!! John Louis Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@verizon.net> wrote: > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on > the board. > > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less > than, > > say 20 seconds? > > What do you mean with "catch"? > > Cheers! > Stefan > I guess "notice" Tim SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

get the lexan ones! I have those, and they are great! they havent been peeling up like the ones that come with hte cube and they are reallllllly nice! get them! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "stuart.a.hall" <stuart.a.hall@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > Decided to bite the bullet and buy some cubesmith tiles... but which > are the ones to get that you are all raving about? I see standard > rubiks 3x3 tiles, but I also see lexan tiles which are a bit more money. > > I assume more money == better tiles, but thought I would ask. Thanks! > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm sure you'll be setting more records this year Stephan. ;) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jello33" <chris@> > wrote: > > > > I'd like to announce that I'll be awarding a small prize to anyone > > that breaks an "Official WCA World Record" as recognized by the WCA > > and www.speedcubing.com > > Gosh, why didn't you say that earlier? :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan >

> Read this: > > http://www.slate.com/id/2114925/?GT1=6208 > > http://c1blog.blogspot.com/2005/03/memory-olympiads.html Oh my god..... Memorizing a deck of cards in 45 seconds is effectively memorizing two 4x4x4 edge permutations (with 4 pieces solved already, very likely) in 45 seconds. I take about 3:00 for one 4x4x4 edge permutation. Even with my centers, where I average about 17 pieces unsolved, I still take 1:30-2:00. Oh my god......... Blindfolded cubing is nowhere near it's limits... not even close by far.... Hardly even beginning to catch up to what it could be.... Seriously that's depressing, I feel like a complete newb to BLD memorizing now.... Man, that is at once inspiring, and also kinda dream crushing. If I could memorize a 4x4x4 in 2:30 and solve in my usual 5:30-6:30 that would be amazing. Wow..... so much to learn.... Chris

"They memorize numbers much the same way. Cooke converts every two- digit number from 00 to 99 into a familiar object or person, so that every six digits form a sentence. When he sees 342102, Cooke imagines Frank Sinatra crooning the Britney Spears' song " … Baby One More Time" to an obelisk. When he's doing well, this translation is happening instantaneously. At his best, he can store about 300 digits, or 50 sentences, in his head in five minutes." This is about a digit per second. Now, digits are all of the same nature. The cube is a little kinder in the sense that it is already divided up into four elements which we solve (EO, EP, CP, CO). Taking the total number of pieces to memorize at the maximum (8 corners to orient, 8 to permute, 12 edges to orient, 12 to permute), this is 40 pieces of data, a far cry from something as large as 300. Not only this, but 40 is assuming everything needs solving during execution (even then it would be easy to know that a Superflip would be needed to solve 12 bad edges, but let us assume that more pieces = harder to solve), AND these 40 pieces of data are already chunked into 4 different elements -- these advantages far outweigh the delays of turning the cube around to actually inspect the data. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Read this: > > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2114925/?GT1=6208 > > > > http://c1blog.blogspot.com/2005/03/memory-olympiads.html > > Oh my god..... > > Memorizing a deck of cards in 45 seconds is effectively memorizing > two 4x4x4 edge permutations (with 4 pieces solved already, very > likely) in 45 seconds. > > I take about 3:00 for one 4x4x4 edge permutation. > > Even with my centers, where I average about 17 pieces unsolved, I > still take 1:30-2:00. > > Oh my god......... > > Blindfolded cubing is nowhere near it's limits... not even close by > far.... Hardly even beginning to catch up to what it could be.... > > Seriously that's depressing, I feel like a complete newb to BLD > memorizing now.... Man, that is at once inspiring, and also kinda > dream crushing. > > If I could memorize a 4x4x4 in 2:30 and solve in my usual 5:30- 6:30 > that would be amazing. Wow..... so much to learn.... > > Chris >

Does anyone else speedsolve this? I've been learning mefferts non-notation method and it seems wasteful. Some of the time you can't actually finish it with that solution. I looked at jaap's other solution for a while but couldn't understand it :S Yeah, i know jaap wrote them both :) I just lubed it and it turns really nicly, so I'm in the mood for getting into this puzzle :) ~Thom

> Taking the total number of pieces to memorize at the maximum (8 > corners to orient, 8 to permute, 12 edges to orient, 12 to permute), > this is 40 pieces of data, ! 40?!?! I can't watch this... I just did a BKD solve where I memorised 17 pieces of data.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > > Taking the total number of pieces to memorize at the maximum (8 > > corners to orient, 8 to permute, 12 edges to orient, 12 to permute), > > this is 40 pieces of data, > > ! > > 40?!?! > > I can't watch this... I just did a BKD solve where I memorised 17 > pieces of data. > Sorry for the typo, I meant BLD solve. quote: "They memorize numbers much the same way. Cooke converts every two- digit number from 00 to 99 into a familiar object or person, so that every six digits form a sentence. When he sees 342102, Cooke imagines Frank Sinatra crooning the Britney Spears' song " … Baby One More Time" to an obelisk. When he's doing well, this translation is happening instantaneously. At his best, he can store about 300 digits, or 50 sentences, in his head in five minutes." That's cool...! Yeah converting the cube into pieces of information in my head and backwards isn't going very fast... I hope I can also do that instantaneously once :). - Joël.

John, Do you play blindfold chess? If you do, could you send me an email? :) -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > Nowadays, finding out mate in 3 or 4 or even 5 is a childs play even when all the pieces are on the board. They know exactly what to look for and where to look etc ? > If you know all the basic end games in chess, it is a cat's walk!! > John Louis > > Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on > > the board. > > > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less > > than, > > > say 20 seconds? > > > > What do you mean with "catch"? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > I guess "notice" > > Tim > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I saw this on digg: http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/puzzle-alarm-clock-presents-mild-challenge-wakes-you-up-157999.php and after I did, I started thinking if there was a way to create a cube alarm clock. I mean, that would definitely wake you up. And if it doesn't wake you up, at least you get some cubing practice. What are your views? -- -cubekid

Hey Chris, (and others) I found a yahoo group with people that like to memorise stuff :). http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memorysports/messages Maybe they can help us out a little.. :) Maybe I'll try to post a serious message there tomorrow morning. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Read this: > > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2114925/?GT1=6208 > > > > http://c1blog.blogspot.com/2005/03/memory-olympiads.html > > Oh my god..... > > Memorizing a deck of cards in 45 seconds is effectively memorizing > two 4x4x4 edge permutations (with 4 pieces solved already, very > likely) in 45 seconds. > > I take about 3:00 for one 4x4x4 edge permutation. > > Even with my centers, where I average about 17 pieces unsolved, I > still take 1:30-2:00. > > Oh my god......... > > Blindfolded cubing is nowhere near it's limits... not even close by > far.... Hardly even beginning to catch up to what it could be.... > > Seriously that's depressing, I feel like a complete newb to BLD > memorizing now.... Man, that is at once inspiring, and also kinda > dream crushing. > > If I could memorize a 4x4x4 in 2:30 and solve in my usual 5:30- 6:30 > that would be amazing. Wow..... so much to learn.... > > Chris >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Oh my god......... > > Blindfolded cubing is nowhere near it's limits... not even close by > far.... Hardly even beginning to catch up to what it could be.... Oh really? Wow, maybe this can explain this two years old quote: http://www.speedcubing.com/records/recs_bf_megaminx.html Cheers! Stefan

i haven't played blindfold chess since highschool, but i have done it and i do still play regular with a ranking of about 1800-2000 depending on the day. i'd be up for a game sometime :) ----- Original Message ---- From: richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:57:47 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video John, Do you play blindfold chess? If you do, could you send me an email? :) -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > Nowadays, finding out mate in 3 or 4 or even 5 is a childs play even when all the pieces are on the board. They know exactly what to look for and where to look etc ? > If you know all the basic end games in chess, it is a cat's walk!! > John Louis > > Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on > > the board. > > > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less > > than, > > > say 20 seconds? > > > > What do you mean with "catch"? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > I guess "notice" > > Tim > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Just one question: How do you play BLD chess??? Call out moves??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i haven't played blindfold chess since highschool, but i have done it and i do still play regular with a ranking of about 1800-2000 depending on the day. i'd be up for a game sometime :) > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2006 3:57:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] bld video > > John, > Do you play blindfold chess? If you do, could you send me an > email? :) >

In short these are identical to the 2006 black DIY, but with white plastic. They have the same new corner caps with gap, but with manufacturing code (M1005B). The centers are arched, with the new caps. The washers are white plastic, too. Photo of all piece types: http://tinyurl.com/lp5q3 Photo of white washers: http://tinyurl.com/o6dne Photo with Cubesmith tiles: http://tinyurl.com/madjg It feels very similar to the 2006 DIY, which is to say excellent. Chris

> > Maybe I'll try to post a serious message there tomorrow morning. > > - Joël. I posted this message there, and it is currently waiting for approval. ------------ Hi, I'm new to this group, I just joined today. My name is Chris Hardwick and I'm posting here about a memory sport that has only been around since the invention of the Rubik's cube, but in recent years has gained a lot of popularity. I'm a competitive speedcuber, and a number of us speedcubers have also picked up the event of solving a Rubik's cube blindfolded. The procedure in an official competition works like this, you start the timer and begin memorizing your scrambled cube. You then put on the blindfold and solve and at the end of the solve stop a timer. The overall time is considered the time for your attempt and we rank each other for the fastest times. The current world record for doing this is 1 minute 46.47 seconds. The top blindfolded solvers can memorize a 3x3x3 Rubik's cube in around 40 seconds or less on a good run, and probably average 40-50 seconds given distractions or a sub-optimal solving environment. Our unofficial record for fastest time to memorize a cube on a successful solve is 27 seconds. We do not have an official record for this. There is a lot of discussion going on about how to improve blindfolded cubing. We have alread developed a number of very efficient and sophisticated solving techniques, but memorization for most of us is not our strong point. After hearing that some people can memorize a deck of cards in around 45 seconds or less, I personally think that us speedcubers are not memorizing very well, and that much time can be dropped by using a good technique. If you are interested in reading about speedcubing, our main resource site is www.speedcubing.com and if you are interested in blindfolded cubing please check out our yahoo group at http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube/ I personally have a theory that if either a blindfold cuber learned to truly train their memory, or if someone who had already mastered their memory learned one of our very efficient methods for solving a Rubik's cube blindfolded, that greats things could be done in this developing competitive memory arena. Again blindfolded cubing has had most of its popularity in the last 5 years or so, but already 30 people have officially solved a Rubik's cube blindfolded in competition at least once in 2005 alone. This is up from 9 in 2004. So go easy on us! We are an up and coming memory sport, and I would personally like to wish a warm welcome from the blindfolded cubing community to the memory sports community. I have lots of questions to ask about memory training technqiues, and if anyone here is interested in this new area for showing off your memory I would be personally willing to show you a very efficient way to solve a cube blindfolded via e-mail coorespondence, or I can point you to a number of good online resources that show this too. I hope we can help each other out in some way, and if nothing else I feel I have so much to learn as far as my memory goes, and I would love this opportunity for a memory expert to help our blindfolded cubing community. Regards, Chris ------------------------------ Chris

Hi Thom, I've noticed my Ultimate Skewb sitting on my shelf for a while. I tried using the mefferts solution a while ago, and it took me a while to get the hang of it. When I get back from my trip this weekend, maybe I'll look into it more for speedsolving. Let us know (or email me personally if no one else wants to hear about it, cparlett@...) if you develop some algorithms and methods. -Chris Parlette --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Does anyone else speedsolve this? > > I've been learning mefferts non-notation method and it seems wasteful. > Some of the time you can't actually finish it with that solution. I > looked at jaap's other solution for a while but couldn't understand it :S > > Yeah, i know jaap wrote them both :) > > I just lubed it and it turns really nicly, so I'm in the mood for > getting into this puzzle :) > > ~Thom >

That is one purty looking cube. Mine is due to arrive anytime now. Don't know why the washers are white when no one can see them. --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > In short these are identical to the 2006 black DIY, > but with white > plastic. They have the same new corner caps with > gap, but with > manufacturing code (M1005B). The centers are > arched, with the new > caps. The washers are white plastic, too. > > Photo of all piece types: > http://tinyurl.com/lp5q3 > > Photo of white washers: > http://tinyurl.com/o6dne > > Photo with Cubesmith tiles: > http://tinyurl.com/madjg > > It feels very similar to the 2006 DIY, which is to > say excellent. > > Chris > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Do you want to have to solve it in order to stop the sound ? :p That would be a bit more difficult to do lol. Though that's a good idea ;-) GilleS. 2006/3/3, Sapan Upadhyay <cubekid@...>: > I saw this on digg: > > http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/puzzle-alarm-clock-presents-mild-challenge-wakes-you-up-157999.php > > > and after I did, I started thinking if there was a way to create a > cube alarm clock. I mean, that would definitely wake you up. And if it > doesn't wake you up, at least you get some cubing practice. > > What are your views? > > -- > -cubekid > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

haha, anyone wants to memorize the cube in 12 seconds ? :p The answer is just awesome. Moreover he says that some people have already tried to memorize cubes :-) This is going to be very interesting. Gilles. 2006/3/3, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > Maybe I'll try to post a serious message there tomorrow morning. > > > > - Joël. > > I posted this message there, and it is currently waiting for > approval. > > ------------ > > Hi, > > I'm new to this group, I just joined today. My name is Chris > Hardwick and I'm posting here about a memory sport that has only > been around since the invention of the Rubik's cube, but in recent > years has gained a lot of popularity. > > I'm a competitive speedcuber, and a number of us speedcubers have > also picked up the event of solving a Rubik's cube blindfolded. The > procedure in an official competition works like this, you start the > timer and begin memorizing your scrambled cube. You then put on the > blindfold and solve and at the end of the solve stop a timer. The > overall time is considered the time for your attempt and we rank > each other for the fastest times. The current world record for > doing this is 1 minute 46.47 seconds. > > The top blindfolded solvers can memorize a 3x3x3 Rubik's cube in > around 40 seconds or less on a good run, and probably average 40-50 > seconds given distractions or a sub-optimal solving environment. > Our unofficial record for fastest time to memorize a cube on a > successful solve is 27 seconds. We do not have an official record > for this. > > There is a lot of discussion going on about how to improve > blindfolded cubing. We have alread developed a number of very > efficient and sophisticated solving techniques, but memorization for > most of us is not our strong point. > > After hearing that some people can memorize a deck of cards in > around 45 seconds or less, I personally think that us speedcubers > are not memorizing very well, and that much time can be dropped by > using a good technique. > > If you are interested in reading about speedcubing, our main > resource site is www.speedcubing.com and if you are interested in > blindfolded cubing please check out our yahoo group at > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube/ > > I personally have a theory that if either a blindfold cuber learned > to truly train their memory, or if someone who had already mastered > their memory learned one of our very efficient methods for solving a > Rubik's cube blindfolded, that greats things could be done in this > developing competitive memory arena. > > Again blindfolded cubing has had most of its popularity in the last > 5 years or so, but already 30 people have officially solved a > Rubik's cube blindfolded in competition at least once in 2005 > alone. This is up from 9 in 2004. So go easy on us! We are an up > and coming memory sport, and I would personally like to wish a warm > welcome from the blindfolded cubing community to the memory sports > community. I have lots of questions to ask about memory training > technqiues, and if anyone here is interested in this new area for > showing off your memory I would be personally willing to show you a > very efficient way to solve a cube blindfolded via e-mail > coorespondence, or I can point you to a number of good online > resources that show this too. > > I hope we can help each other out in some way, and if nothing else I > feel I have so much to learn as far as my memory goes, and I would > love this opportunity for a memory expert to help our blindfolded > cubing community. > > Regards, > Chris > ------------------------------ > > Chris > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I tried my best to convert memorizing the cube into a comparable system for memorizing cards. I hope someone responds. I get the feeling that the times will be very good with their cube-comparable cards system. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memorysports/message/408 Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > haha, anyone wants to memorize the cube in 12 seconds ? :p > > The answer is just awesome. Moreover he says that some people have > already tried to memorize cubes :-) > > This is going to be very interesting. > > Gilles.

I'm interested too! I managed to solve mine with the mefferts solution twice or three times, but I still don't understand that method. If you know something, plz, let me know. Emanuele --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@...> wrote: > > Hi Thom, > > I've noticed my Ultimate Skewb sitting on my shelf for a while. I > tried using the mefferts solution a while ago, and it took me a while > to get the hang of it. When I get back from my trip this weekend, > maybe I'll look into it more for speedsolving. Let us know (or email > me personally if no one else wants to hear about it, > cparlett@...) if you develop some algorithms and methods. > > -Chris Parlette > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone else speedsolve this? > > > > I've been learning mefferts non-notation method and it seems wasteful. > > Some of the time you can't actually finish it with that solution. I > > looked at jaap's other solution for a while but couldn't understand > it :S > > > > Yeah, i know jaap wrote them both :) > > > > I just lubed it and it turns really nicly, so I'm in the mood for > > getting into this puzzle :) > > > > ~Thom > > >

Chris, In my opinion, with a good memory technique and a good cube sighting , 3*3*3 can be memorised in 20 sec and 4*4*4 in 112 sec and 5*5*5 in 184 sec. A piece can be memorised in a sec in 3*3*3 but in 2 sec in 4*4*4 and 5*5*5 respectively. And of course the cuber should be as enthusiastic as you and as young(old)as you. I am 46. I can not memorise as fast as you, although I know some memory techniques.(Carl Lewis can not run 100 mt race in sub 10 sec anymore although he knows all the tricks and trade of running 100 mt). As you are getting older speed cuts down but not recalling. How to use the phonetic sound and its value system to memorise 3*3*3 plz visit www.freewebs.com/bernett. John Louis cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I tried my best to convert memorizing the cube into a comparable system for memorizing cards. I hope someone responds. I get the feeling that the times will be very good with their cube-comparable cards system. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/memorysports/message/408 Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > haha, anyone wants to memorize the cube in 12 seconds ? :p > > The answer is just awesome. Moreover he says that some people have > already tried to memorize cubes :-) > > This is going to be very interesting. > > Gilles. SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How long have you been cubing? I started April 2004. I usually just plan white cross. While solving it I usually can see a corner which belongs to white layer. Then I just turn the cube around to see where is the edge. My best (and only) F2L average is 8.60 seconds. Cross takes about 2 seconds. Only key is praaaactice. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Beyer" <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > I build a cross and my first pair. > > This takes about ten seconds. It's awful > > Can anybody give me tips on how to help w/ this step in my cubing. > > Here's an avg of 12 on my cross w/ P1 > > 9.32, 7.77, 9.91, 8.98, 7.92, 6.13, 8.69, (4.50), 8.68, 6.22, (10.60), > 8.52 => 8.21 > > granted this was actually very good for me and if I had not of stopped > on that 6.22 I would of had sub 30 > > but what do you guys look for that allow you to do the whole f2l in sub > 15?! >

Hi Stefan! Aren't you gonna try megaminx blindfolded again?? I can see that, if it will take you some 5 hours, you don't think it's worth the effort, but it would be cool if you could lower the record with a few hours :-) How hard was it to do compared with, say 5*5*5?? Did you go slow during the solve to be sure you didn't mess up anything? /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > Oh my god......... > > > > Blindfolded cubing is nowhere near it's limits... not even close by > > far.... Hardly even beginning to catch up to what it could be.... > > Oh really? Wow, maybe this can explain this two years old quote: > http://www.speedcubing.com/records/recs_bf_megaminx.html > > Cheers! > Stefan >

UPDATE!!! Alright, well, this is my primary solving method for 5x5 now, and I got a time that was 1 second off my PB this morning. My times have been dropping steadily as I get more used to the method, and I think I will break my PB during my spare...This is looking to be a good method in the end... Craig > > > Well, > > > > > > Lately I've been solving the bigger cubes (biggest so far is 10x10) I > > > started on thursday I think with 7x7, then friday 8x8, saturday 9x9, > > > and sunday 10x10 (I did a 6x6 too) And I am trying to find the most > > > efficient way of doing these, and I think it can apply to 5x5 as well. > > > > > > Ok, here goes... > > > 1: Solve all Centers > > > 2: using the (Ll) F' L F (Ll)' Solve the white edges and put them in > > place > > > 3: Put in first layer (white) corners > > > 4: Solve the "middle" edges (like the cage) so it solves them > > > directly, and you won't have to solve as 3x3 at the end. > > > 5: Solve LL corners > > > 6: Solve LL edges (using 3 cycles, or commutators or whatever you > want) > > > > > > I haven't tried it yet, but I woke up this morning and this was the > > > first thing that came to my mind. It solves all the pieces directly, > > > so you don't have to do anything extra at the end. I'll try it today > > > sometime hopefully. > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > PS - This post is long for me... > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan! > > Aren't you gonna try megaminx blindfolded again?? I can see that, if > it will take you some 5 hours, you don't think it's worth the effort, > but it would be cool if you could lower the record with a few hours :-) > > How hard was it to do compared with, say 5*5*5?? Did you go slow > during the solve to be sure you didn't mess up anything? > > /Gunnar Yes, one day I want to solve megaminx blindfolded again, and much faster. I have better ideas for execution now, but I'm too lazy to practice memorization techniques. I want to become better at that before I try some larger blindsolving things again. I stepped right from 3x3 to megaminx, no 4x4 or 5x5 in between. The megaminx was my first real heavy usage of a memorization technique. That's why it took so long. Also, it's harder to setup pieces. I can't say what's harder, 5x5 or megaminx, one is easier this way, the other is easier that way. Hey Chris, you're funny :-). Did you really not know about these techniques and records until now? I somewhat thought it's common knowledge at least among the blindcubers now. Btw, why did you ask that memorizer about memorizing the cube through numbers again? It's so obvious he'll tell you to *not* use numbers. Cheers! Stefan

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Hi, I got the answer from an expert :-) You'll find below the email I wrote to Rochester's Laboratory dedicated to color science, they have a webpage where one can ask color scientists about color perception among many other subjects: http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/outreach/categories.php So here is a scientific optimal color scheme, let start peeling our orange stickers ;-) "Thanks for your inquiry. Generally research on color contrast involves only two colors (such as text on a background), so this is definitely an interesting question. You have already identified black and white and they should certainly be included in your set of six. The next step would be to include 4 chromatic colors that are of intermediate lightness (i.e., not very dark or very light so that they are not easily confused with the white or black). While it is difficult to say what the optimum choices would be, there is probably very little to gain in performance once the colors are separated into distinct hue categories that would not be confused. For example, choosing yellow, green, blue, and red would be about as good as you can do. You just want to make sure that the blue and green are clearly distinguishable which might be accomplished best by making the blue slightly purplish. I hope this helps. -Mark" ... and here was the question I sent to them: Hi, I am a member of an internet forum dedicated to the Rubik's cube (I am quite sure you remember this puzzle !), and more precisely to speedsolving this puzzle. As you may remember, there are 6 different colors (white, yellow, dark red, orange, dark blue, and dark green), one for each cube face in the solved state. Each face is divided into 9 squares. Some people are able to solve the cube under 20 secondes on average, using a 7-step method. Steps 2-7 involve "instant" recognition of a case (1 out of ~50 for step 6, one out of ~20 for step 7 for example) and the execution of the memorized corresponding moves sequence. The question is, do you have an idea about the "ideal" color scheme that one should use for optimizing the color discrimination ability, hence decreasing the decision time ? This can be reworded as "what is the set of 6 colors (including black/white) that human eye is the best (=faster?) to be able to discriminate ?". I would be very happy if you have any idea or references about this topic ! Thank you very much for your answer Cyril --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. Gilles.

Wow, so use the standard scheme, but replace orange with black? What if you use flourescent orange? I would think that provides enough of a different contrast from dark red. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cycastel <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I got the answer from an expert :-) > You'll find below the email I wrote to Rochester's Laboratory > dedicated to color science, they have a webpage where one can ask > color scientists about color perception among many other subjects: > http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/outreach/categories.php > > So here is a scientific optimal color scheme, let start peeling our > orange stickers ;-) > > "Thanks for your inquiry. > > Generally research on color contrast involves only two colors (such > as text on a background), so this is definitely an interesting > question. You have already identified black and white and they > should certainly be included in your set of six. The next step would > be to include 4 chromatic colors that are of intermediate lightness > (i.e., not very dark or very light so that they are not easily > confused with the white or black). While it is difficult to say what > the optimum choices would be, there is probably very little to gain > in performance once the colors are separated into distinct hue > categories that would not be confused. For example, choosing yellow, > green, blue, and red would be about as good as you can do. You just > want to make sure that the blue and green are clearly distinguishable > which might be accomplished best by making the blue slightly purplish. > > I hope this helps. > > -Mark" > > > ... and here was the question I sent to them: > > Hi, > I am a member of an internet forum dedicated to the Rubik's cube (I am > quite sure you remember this puzzle !), and more precisely to > speedsolving this puzzle. As you may remember, there are 6 different > colors (white, yellow, dark red, orange, dark blue, and dark green), > one for each cube face in the solved state. Each face is divided into > 9 squares. Some people are able to solve the cube under 20 secondes on > average, using a 7-step method. Steps 2-7 involve "instant" > recognition of a case (1 out of ~50 for step 6, one out of ~20 for > step 7 for example) and the execution of the memorized corresponding > moves sequence. > The question is, do you have an idea about the "ideal" color scheme > that one should use for optimizing the color discrimination ability, > hence decreasing the decision time ? This can be reworded as "what is > the set of 6 colors (including black/white) that human eye is the best > (=faster?) to be able to discriminate ?". I would be very happy if you > have any idea or references about this topic ! > Thank you very much for your answer > > Cyril > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > Gilles. >

He talks about making blue and green clearly distinguishable. He's right. Sometimes, when both are a bit dark, it's not easy. That's why I have bright (fluo) green and dark blue. My other dark color is red. Even if blue and red are very dark, you can make the difference because of the hue. And it makes orange very distinct from red. Brightness is a decisive component, and it depends on the color. I used to cube with 2 blue sides, one very bright, one very dark. It was not bad at all! Ask your expert for the best set of 6 HSV vectors! Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cycastel <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I got the answer from an expert :-) > You'll find below the email I wrote to Rochester's Laboratory > dedicated to color science, they have a webpage where one can ask > color scientists about color perception among many other subjects: > http://www.cis.rit.edu/mcsl/outreach/categories.php > > So here is a scientific optimal color scheme, let start peeling our > orange stickers ;-) > > "Thanks for your inquiry. > > Generally research on color contrast involves only two colors (such > as text on a background), so this is definitely an interesting > question. You have already identified black and white and they > should certainly be included in your set of six. The next step would > be to include 4 chromatic colors that are of intermediate lightness > (i.e., not very dark or very light so that they are not easily > confused with the white or black). While it is difficult to say what > the optimum choices would be, there is probably very little to gain > in performance once the colors are separated into distinct hue > categories that would not be confused. For example, choosing yellow, > green, blue, and red would be about as good as you can do. You just > want to make sure that the blue and green are clearly distinguishable > which might be accomplished best by making the blue slightly purplish. > > I hope this helps. > > -Mark" > > > ... and here was the question I sent to them: > > Hi, > I am a member of an internet forum dedicated to the Rubik's cube (I am > quite sure you remember this puzzle !), and more precisely to > speedsolving this puzzle. As you may remember, there are 6 different > colors (white, yellow, dark red, orange, dark blue, and dark green), > one for each cube face in the solved state. Each face is divided into > 9 squares. Some people are able to solve the cube under 20 secondes on > average, using a 7-step method. Steps 2-7 involve "instant" > recognition of a case (1 out of ~50 for step 6, one out of ~20 for > step 7 for example) and the execution of the memorized corresponding > moves sequence. > The question is, do you have an idea about the "ideal" color scheme > that one should use for optimizing the color discrimination ability, > hence decreasing the decision time ? This can be reworded as "what is > the set of 6 colors (including black/white) that human eye is the best > (=faster?) to be able to discriminate ?". I would be very happy if you > have any idea or references about this topic ! > Thank you very much for your answer > > Cyril > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > We'd need some expert in color discrimination by the human eye to tell > the perfect set of colors for speed-cubing. Black may be one of them. > Gilles. >

Hey I've been pretty much using mefferts method for a bit now, but I'm sure there's a much better one. Good puzzle, bad methods. I'm sure there is a better one. ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Parlette" <cparlett@...> wrote: > > Hi Thom, > > I've noticed my Ultimate Skewb sitting on my shelf for a while. I > tried using the mefferts solution a while ago, and it took me a while > to get the hang of it. When I get back from my trip this weekend, > maybe I'll look into it more for speedsolving. Let us know (or email > me personally if no one else wants to hear about it, > cparlett@...) if you develop some algorithms and methods. > > -Chris Parlette > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > Does anyone else speedsolve this? > > > > I've been learning mefferts non-notation method and it seems wasteful. > > Some of the time you can't actually finish it with that solution. I > > looked at jaap's other solution for a while but couldn't understand > it :S > > > > Yeah, i know jaap wrote them both :) > > > > I just lubed it and it turns really nicly, so I'm in the mood for > > getting into this puzzle :) > > > > ~Thom > > >

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > How long have you been cubing? I started April 2004. > I usually just plan white cross. While solving it I usually can see > a corner which belongs to white layer. Then I just turn the cube > around to see where is the edge. My best (and only) F2L average is > 8.60 seconds. Cross takes about 2 seconds. Only key is praaaactice. I've been speed solving the cube for several years now. I've been sub 60 for over a year now, since the start of my Junior year (2004- 2005) Back then I used a LBL method and picked up on PLL. F2L was the way to go though. January 16, 2006 I started Fridrich F2L from Hardwick's site It took me two weeks to get all the f2l cases memorized. I was struggling still at first. It is now March 3 So I've been using F2L for about 5 weeks. My PB is 27.42 seconds w/ Fridrich I'm learning COLL and redoing my Edge PLLs

Man. I've been practicing 3LLL with Fridrich F2L for like 6 months and I'm still averaging in the high 40's. I may have to go to a competition soon just so I can get some advice on what the heck I'm doing wrong. On 3/3/06, Daniel Beyer <dbeyer816@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" > > <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > > > How long have you been cubing? I started April 2004. > > I usually just plan white cross. While solving it I usually can see > > a corner which belongs to white layer. Then I just turn the cube > > around to see where is the edge. My best (and only) F2L average is > > 8.60 seconds. Cross takes about 2 seconds. Only key is praaaactice. > > I've been speed solving the cube for several years now. I've been > sub 60 for over a year now, since the start of my Junior year (2004- > 2005) > > Back then I used a LBL method and picked up on PLL. F2L was the way > to go though. > > January 16, 2006 I started Fridrich F2L from Hardwick's site > It took me two weeks to get all the f2l cases memorized. I was > struggling still at first. It is now March 3 So I've been using F2L > for about 5 weeks. My PB is 27.42 seconds w/ Fridrich > I'm learning COLL and redoing my Edge PLLs > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > I've been pretty much using mefferts method for a bit now, but I'm > sure there's a much better one. > > Good puzzle, bad methods. I'm sure there is a better one. What is so bad about it? Presumably the authors wanted to present a simple solution method that could be learnt relatively easily. Their leaflet does that job. Would it be appropriate for Rubik's Cube to be boxed with a hefty manual describing the Fridrich method -- and nothing simpler? Mike

Take a video of yourself and look for any hesitations. Work on that area. It's likely the F2L. I took a video of a dozen or so of my own solves and watched it, and the hesitation was between each F2L pair. So that's my current focus. You can also just time each step (C, F, O, P) separately and see if one needs work. Finally, counting moves (while solving slowly) is useful to ensure you are using an efficient set of algorithms. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Moberly" <mmoberly@...> wrote: > > Man. I've been practicing 3LLL with Fridrich F2L for like 6 months and I'm > still averaging in the high 40's. I may have to go to a competition soon > just so I can get some advice on what the heck I'm doing wrong.

yea, i was hoping most people can't do it in their sleep. iono, it may be farfetched, but who knows? On 3/3/06, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > Do you want to have to solve it in order to stop the sound ? :p > > That would be a bit more difficult to do lol. > > Though that's a good idea ;-) > > GilleS. > > 2006/3/3, Sapan Upadhyay <cubekid@gmail.com>: > > I saw this on digg: > > > > http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/puzzle-alarm-clock-presents-mild-challenge-wakes-you-up-157999.php > > > > > > and after I did, I started thinking if there was a way to create a > > cube alarm clock. I mean, that would definitely wake you up. And if it > > doesn't wake you up, at least you get some cubing practice. > > > > What are your views? > > > > -- > > -cubekid > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Of course, but it's no good for speedsolving. It does well just as a method to solve the puzzle. I can't find any others described. Apart form jaap's other one, and I don't understand that... meh... ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mike_go_uk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > I've been pretty much using mefferts method for a bit now, but I'm > > sure there's a much better one. > > > > Good puzzle, bad methods. I'm sure there is a better one. > > What is so bad about it? Presumably the authors wanted to present a > simple solution method that could be learnt relatively easily. Their > leaflet does that job. > > Would it be appropriate for Rubik's Cube to be boxed with a hefty > manual describing the Fridrich method -- and nothing simpler? > > Mike >

ok since credits is apparently becoming an important thing, i will mention it outloud since i don't have the time to complete the page for it now. this site is pretty much frank morris.com. he gave me all the instructions, and methods, and proofread did just about everything but the coding. however some of the last 2 edge algorithms for the professor were found independently by many other people i'm sure. thanks and appreciation goes to all the great bigcubers who's work made the page possible like ron, chris h who also helped with the proofreading of the 4x4 part, frederick badie, and i'm sure many others who's work contributed. if you use the page a lot and think is great, please let frank know because he really let it all out for the site, and appreciation is always great. :) hopefully i will made some great additions and upgrades soon, if i ever have the time, and thanks to all 3,392 unique users who have used the site so far. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frédérick BADIE <f_badie@...> wrote: > > Hi Clancy, > > www.bigcubes.com is a cool website > > what about the credits page ? > > Have fun, > Frédérick > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > still no attachment but i bet this will answer the question anyway > > > > http://www.bigcubes.com/5x5x5/lastedges.html > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: kyle simmons <beamfreak314@> > > To: cube group <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:30:35 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 5x5x5 parity issue(the hard way) (re > post) now with attachment! > > > > hi, > > i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... > > does anyone know how to solve the problem in the > > attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) > > i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is > > easier than top down or middles then top down, but its > > what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of > > the cube is solved. > > -kyle simmons > > > > re posted due to attachment issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle > game Free puzzle inlay games > Educational game and puzzle > Word > puzzle game Kid puzzle game > Puzzle games > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hehe, Clancy what about me for being the Guinea Pig??? hehehe...just bugging... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "perscription_death" <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > ok since credits is apparently becoming an important thing, i will > mention it outloud since i don't have the time to complete the page > for it now. this site is pretty much frank morris.com. he gave me > all the instructions, and methods, and proofread did just about > everything but the coding. however some of the last 2 edge algorithms > for the professor were found independently by many other people i'm > sure. thanks and appreciation goes to all the great bigcubers who's > work made the page possible like ron, chris h who also helped with the > proofreading of the 4x4 part, frederick badie, and i'm sure many > others who's work contributed. if you use the page a lot and think is > great, please let frank know because he really let it all out for the > site, and appreciation is always great. :) hopefully i will made some > great additions and upgrades soon, if i ever have the time, and thanks > to all 3,392 unique users who have used the site so far. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frédérick BADIE > <f_badie@> wrote: > > > > Hi Clancy, > > > > www.bigcubes.com is a cool website > > > > what about the credits page ? > > > > Have fun, > > Frédérick > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > > > still no attachment but i bet this will answer the question anyway > > > > > > http://www.bigcubes.com/5x5x5/lastedges.html > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: kyle simmons <beamfreak314@> > > > To: cube group <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 3:30:35 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 5x5x5 parity issue(the hard way) (re > > post) now with attachment! > > > > > > hi, > > > i know this is the slow way of solving the cube but... > > > does anyone know how to solve the problem in the > > > attachment? (sorry for the bad drawing) > > > i realize that the wireframe or "outside in" method is > > > easier than top down or middles then top down, but its > > > what i have to work with at the moment. the rest of > > > the cube is solved. > > > -kyle simmons > > > > > > re posted due to attachment issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > Jigsaw puzzle > > game Free puzzle inlay games > > Educational game and puzzle > > Word > > puzzle game Kid puzzle game > > Puzzle games > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@...m > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more than a few seconds to memorise. Ryan

The is exactly the way that I memorize when doing blindfold. I just visualize the patch of the cycles, no conversion. I'm slow, about 5 minutes average, but that's because I suck. I know with practice it could be a lot easier. -Chris On 3/3/06, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

On Mar 3, 2006, at 16:41, Ryan Heise wrote: > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > cube? That's what I do. I haven't completed a full solve yet so who cares. But I hear Leyan does that as well. That's Leno-Leyan. Haven't heard what Letterman-Leyan uses. The orientations lend themselves quite nicely to immediate visualization. Permutations no doubt require more work and experience, since you can't just look at one piece in isolation and know what to do with it, you're memorizing relations between pieces. - - - - - - - - - - - - "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." --- Terry Pratchett Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Richard, I am sorry richy.It is more than 25 years since I played competitive chess locally. There is a chapter(chapter-20)HOW MEMORY IMPROVES YOUR CHESS in how to develop a perfect memory book written by 8 times world champion DOMINIC O'BRIEN. John Louis richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: John, Do you play blindfold chess? If you do, could you send me an email? :) -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan, > Nowadays, finding out mate in 3 or 4 or even 5 is a childs play even when all the pieces are on the board. They know exactly what to look for and where to look etc ? > If you know all the basic end games in chess, it is a cat's walk!! > John Louis > > Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > > Take e.g. some curious problem "mate in 3 moves" with 20 pieces on > > the board. > > > Don´t you think a chess master would catch this position in less > > than, > > > say 20 seconds? > > > > What do you mean with "catch"? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > I guess "notice" > > Tim > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I will compete with my father and two cousins. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > Last weeks Sunday Contest was the biggest ever... With 46 > participants from 13 different countries. I'm encouraging everone to > participate and let's see how big this thing can get! > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us >

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Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan >

You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi-cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. John Louis Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What is P/A/O technique? (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). R ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi-cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. John Louis Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

He means the Person/Action/Object technique, which he described in the BLD yahoo group: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks- cube/message/985 - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > What is P/A/O technique? > (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > > > You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. > First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. > I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. > > Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. > Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi- cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. > > John Louis > > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > Hello Ryan, > > That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been > trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed > to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and > images in your head was something for people that can't memorise > very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck > of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it > doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... > > So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the > information into a story with things that don't have anything to do > with cubing? > > Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action > and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising > things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been > storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing > things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing > images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for > the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's > why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am > I right?). > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have > to > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > domain > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > associations > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > observe > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > brains > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > constrained to > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random > cube > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve > the > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > musicians > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > more > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Group not found. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation He means the Person/Action/Object technique, which he described in the BLD yahoo group: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks- cube/message/985 - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > What is P/A/O technique? > (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > > > You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. > First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. > I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. > > Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. > Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi- cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. > > John Louis > > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > Hello Ryan, > > That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been > trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed > to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and > images in your head was something for people that can't memorise > very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck > of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it > doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... > > So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the > information into a story with things that don't have anything to do > with cubing? > > Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action > and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising > things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been > storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing > things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing > images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for > the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's > why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am > I right?). > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have > to > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > domain > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > associations > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > observe > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > brains > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > constrained to > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random > cube > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve > the > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > musicians > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > more > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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http://tinyurl.com/frck6 Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> escreveu: Group not found. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation He means the Person/Action/Object technique, which he described in the BLD yahoo group: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks- cube/message/985 - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > What is P/A/O technique? > (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > > > You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. > First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. > I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. > > Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. > Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi- cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. > > John Louis > > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > Hello Ryan, > > That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been > trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed > to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and > images in your head was something for people that can't memorise > very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck > of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it > doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... > > So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the > information into a story with things that don't have anything to do > with cubing? > > Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action > and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising > things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been > storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing > things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing > images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for > the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's > why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am > I right?). > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have > to > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > domain > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > associations > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > observe > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > brains > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > constrained to > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random > cube > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve > the > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > musicians > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > more > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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Yea, Yahoo groups suck, I know. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Group not found. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:59 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > > > He means the Person/Action/Object technique, which he described in > the BLD yahoo group: > > http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks- > cube/message/985 > > > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > What is P/A/O technique? > > (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). > > R > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > > > > > > You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify > one more point here. > > First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in > the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are > transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be > able to focus your attention when you are memorising without > transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. > > I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean > Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and > able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to > retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete > solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is > good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, > it will be faster than the rote memorising. > > > > Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you > can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't > think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be > faster than rote memory. > > Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi- > cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which > memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. > > > > John Louis > > > > > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@> wrote: > > Hello Ryan, > > > > That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been > > trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that > seemed > > to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and > > images in your head was something for people that can't memorise > > very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a > deck > > of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it > > doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... > > > > So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the > > information into a story with things that don't have anything to > do > > with cubing? > > > > Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action > > and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising > > things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have > been > > storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing > > things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing > > images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for > > the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's > > why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, > am > > I right?). > > > > - Joël. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and > have > > to > > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > > domain > > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > > cards. > > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by > looking > > at the > > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > > associations > > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > > observe > > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > > brains > > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > > constrained to > > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single > random > > cube > > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to > solve > > the > > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > > musicians > > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > > more > > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational > game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle > games > > > > --------------------------------- > > YAHOO! 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Isn´t this (without transforming the information) the same as in BLD chess? You "see" the pieces in there places, you can analyse a forced combination e.g. six plies ahead, some pieces being touched in a certain way, the others untouched. A parallel to a six mover in BLD cubing? R ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi-cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. John Louis Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links

Hey Ryan, I think doing something like this is alright for the 3x3x3, you can still get some really fast times, but I would hate the idea of also using it for the 5x5x5. Storing all that information by rote for the 5x5x5 would take me twice as long as using the stories I use, and the stories I use aren't even as good as P/A/O so it could be even faster with a better method than what I use. Also, after learning more about the journey method and person/action/object, I think it would be considerably faster to use this method for a 3x3x3 rather than the current rote memorization techniques. I've already laid out my journey with 24 positions (I want to use it for 4x4 and 5x5 centers) and I'm working on the framework for the actual persons/actions/and objects right now. I plan on switching my memorization for all cubes to the P/A/O method, especially after seeing how fast the masters of this method can memorize things. Also, John Louis is a 4 level method P/A/O/O or person action object object? The reason I ask, one of the memorisers at the US competition describe one of his images as "Frank Sinatra Croons "Baby one more Time" to an Obelisk" and this appears to me to be P/A/O/O. Since the cube orbits only have 24 pieces it seems that a 4 level system or even a 5 level system (person/adverb/action/adjective/object, for example Bob Artistically Destroys the Red Car) Since the cube orbits are only 24 pieces instead of 52, why don't we make a more complicated system that fits our needs? With a 5 level system you could memorize the edge permutation of a 4x4 or 5x5 in at best 3 images. That would be awesome! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan >

Hey Cubers! Does anyone know how I might get a hold of a Square-1 puzzle? Are these still in production? My searching so far has come up with no encouraging results... so, I'm going to the authority on this one, the wider cubing community, any help would be appreciated ! Jon

Yo Chris! Nice that you are also trying to create words and images for a P/A/O method... I now finished a list with 22 * 3 words (22 names, 22 actions and 22 objects)!!! I am so happy with this.. I really spend a lot of time on it, because I wanted to have actions and objects that I can really make a visual image about.. And the list I have now works for that! I am going to train myself converting the cube into the images and backwards the next few days... I will let you know how I am doing. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Ryan, > > I think doing something like this is alright for the 3x3x3, you can > still get some really fast times, but I would hate the idea of also > using it for the 5x5x5. Storing all that information by rote for > the 5x5x5 would take me twice as long as using the stories I use, > and the stories I use aren't even as good as P/A/O so it could be > even faster with a better method than what I use. > > Also, after learning more about the journey method and > person/action/object, I think it would be considerably faster to use > this method for a 3x3x3 rather than the current rote memorization > techniques. I've already laid out my journey with 24 positions (I > want to use it for 4x4 and 5x5 centers) and I'm working on the > framework for the actual persons/actions/and objects right now. > > I plan on switching my memorization for all cubes to the P/A/O > method, especially after seeing how fast the masters of this method > can memorize things. > > Also, John Louis is a 4 level method P/A/O/O or person action object > object? The reason I ask, one of the memorisers at the US > competition describe one of his images as "Frank Sinatra > Croons "Baby one more Time" to an Obelisk" and this appears to me to > be P/A/O/O. Since the cube orbits only have 24 pieces it seems that > a 4 level system or even a 5 level system > (person/adverb/action/adjective/object, for example Bob Artistically > Destroys the Red Car) > > Since the cube orbits are only 24 pieces instead of 52, why don't we > make a more complicated system that fits our needs? With a 5 level > system you could memorize the edge permutation of a 4x4 or 5x5 in at > best 3 images. That would be awesome! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have > to > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > domain > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > associations > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > observe > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > brains > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > constrained to > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random > cube > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve > the > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > musicians > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > more > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > Ryan > > >

Hey Joël Which letters are you using? Hmm...maybe it's better to ask which letters you are not using...haha Pedro Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> escreveu: Yo Chris! Nice that you are also trying to create words and images for a P/A/O method... I now finished a list with 22 * 3 words (22 names, 22 actions and 22 objects)!!! I am so happy with this.. I really spend a lot of time on it, because I wanted to have actions and objects that I can really make a visual image about.. And the list I have now works for that! I am going to train myself converting the cube into the images and backwards the next few days... I will let you know how I am doing. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Ryan, > > I think doing something like this is alright for the 3x3x3, you can > still get some really fast times, but I would hate the idea of also > using it for the 5x5x5. Storing all that information by rote for > the 5x5x5 would take me twice as long as using the stories I use, > and the stories I use aren't even as good as P/A/O so it could be > even faster with a better method than what I use. > > Also, after learning more about the journey method and > person/action/object, I think it would be considerably faster to use > this method for a 3x3x3 rather than the current rote memorization > techniques. I've already laid out my journey with 24 positions (I > want to use it for 4x4 and 5x5 centers) and I'm working on the > framework for the actual persons/actions/and objects right now. > > I plan on switching my memorization for all cubes to the P/A/O > method, especially after seeing how fast the masters of this method > can memorize things. > > Also, John Louis is a 4 level method P/A/O/O or person action object > object? The reason I ask, one of the memorisers at the US > competition describe one of his images as "Frank Sinatra > Croons "Baby one more Time" to an Obelisk" and this appears to me to > be P/A/O/O. Since the cube orbits only have 24 pieces it seems that > a 4 level system or even a 5 level system > (person/adverb/action/adjective/object, for example Bob Artistically > Destroys the Red Car) > > Since the cube orbits are only 24 pieces instead of 52, why don't we > make a more complicated system that fits our needs? With a 5 level > system you could memorize the edge permutation of a 4x4 or 5x5 in at > best 3 images. That would be awesome! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have > to > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > domain > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > cards. > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking > at the > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > associations > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > observe > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > brains > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > constrained to > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random > cube > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve > the > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > musicians > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > more > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > Ryan > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Pedro, I am not using X, Y, T and Q... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Hey Joël > > Which letters are you using? Hmm...maybe it's better to ask which letters you are not using...haha > > Pedro > > Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> escreveu: > Yo Chris! > > Nice that you are also trying to create words and images for a P/A/O > method... > > I now finished a list with 22 * 3 words (22 names, 22 actions and 22 > objects)!!! I am so happy with this.. I really spend a lot of time > on it, because I wanted to have actions and objects that I can > really make a visual image about.. And the list I have now works for > that! I am going to train myself converting the cube into the images > and backwards the next few days... I will let you know how I am > doing. > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hey Ryan, > > > > I think doing something like this is alright for the 3x3x3, you > can > > still get some really fast times, but I would hate the idea of > also > > using it for the 5x5x5. Storing all that information by rote for > > the 5x5x5 would take me twice as long as using the stories I use, > > and the stories I use aren't even as good as P/A/O so it could be > > even faster with a better method than what I use. > > > > Also, after learning more about the journey method and > > person/action/object, I think it would be considerably faster to > use > > this method for a 3x3x3 rather than the current rote memorization > > techniques. I've already laid out my journey with 24 positions (I > > want to use it for 4x4 and 5x5 centers) and I'm working on the > > framework for the actual persons/actions/and objects right now. > > > > I plan on switching my memorization for all cubes to the P/A/O > > method, especially after seeing how fast the masters of this > method > > can memorize things. > > > > Also, John Louis is a 4 level method P/A/O/O or person action > object > > object? The reason I ask, one of the memorisers at the US > > competition describe one of his images as "Frank Sinatra > > Croons "Baby one more Time" to an Obelisk" and this appears to me > to > > be P/A/O/O. Since the cube orbits only have 24 pieces it seems > that > > a 4 level system or even a 5 level system > > (person/adverb/action/adjective/object, for example Bob > Artistically > > Destroys the Red Car) > > > > Since the cube orbits are only 24 pieces instead of 52, why don't > we > > make a more complicated system that fits our needs? With a 5 > level > > system you could memorize the edge permutation of a 4x4 or 5x5 in > at > > best 3 images. That would be awesome! > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > > <rheise@> wrote: > > > > > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and > have > > to > > > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one > > domain > > > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > > > > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and > > cards. > > > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by > looking > > at the > > > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory > > associations > > > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and > > observe > > > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our > > brains > > > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > > > > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) > > constrained to > > > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single > random > > cube > > > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to > solve > > the > > > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that > > musicians > > > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take > > more > > > than a few seconds to memorise. > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yes Rune. I have not forgotten Stefan Poachmann. He is one of the greats.He is the pioneer of P/A/O method. I did not mention his name just because he is already using the system and very often explaining it to others. He is not using rote memory. That is why he(only one) solved Megaminx blindfolded, FOUR 3*3*3 cubes BLD. I don't think it is possible with rote memory. I am sorry, if it hurts you. John Louis Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@hem.utfors.se> wrote: What is P/A/O technique? (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). R ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnLouis Louis" <pjlmem@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi-cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. John Louis Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! 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I recall about a year ago there was discussion here about some online store in the US that had them pretty cheap, but I don't have the thread and didn't buy one and I think they had some issues with being slow to ship. But may be worth checking out to see if they still sell it. There's always eBay; I know you can find some there (sometimes they are part of a group of other puzzles). and there's this shop: http://hlavolamy.gumruch.cz/europe.php never bought from there before but someone here must have and can comment about them. I got mine at a local thrift shop for $0.50 and it's in great shape, but I suppose that was just dumb luck. good luck! --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harveyjonathon" <harveyjonathon@...> wrote: > > Hey Cubers! > > Does anyone know how I might get a hold of a Square-1 puzzle? Are > these still in production? My searching so far has come up with no > encouraging results... so, I'm going to the authority on this one, the > wider cubing community, any help would be appreciated ! > > > Jon >

Hey Joël, I hope your words are going well! I have been thinking about mine for a while and finally finished today. I just used A-X because I want to be able to know which number I am at when I stop (I plan to use this for the 4x4 and 5x5 edges). Also I think I will use only the A-L for the 3x3 edges and M-T for the 3x3 corners. Or at least I'll try it and see how it works. I'm not sure what I'll use for the bigger cubes for the corners, probably the same I am using now I guess. Still unsure how to add all these together for a new approach to memorizing the 5x5x5 BLD. I haven't memorized my words yet, I just finished creating them. Now it's off to memorizing them and placing them onto my 4x4 edges in a way that I like. Hope your solving with your system goes well, keep us updated! I will try to do them same. Happy cubing! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Yo Chris! > > Nice that you are also trying to create words and images for a P/A/O > method... > > I now finished a list with 22 * 3 words (22 names, 22 actions and 22 > objects)!!! I am so happy with this.. I really spend a lot of time > on it, because I wanted to have actions and objects that I can > really make a visual image about.. And the list I have now works for > that! I am going to train myself converting the cube into the images > and backwards the next few days... I will let you know how I am > doing. > > - Joël.

> I just used A-X because I want to > be able to know which number I am at when I stop (I plan to use this > for the 4x4 and 5x5 edges). I just realized that the locations in my journey tell me this, ok nevermind, I'm still learning heh heh so I'm bound to make mistakes! Chris

I got mine at dealsafari.com, but once everyone started buying them, their service got bogged down so I'm not sure how good it is anymore. -Ben. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kirk83616 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I recall about a year ago there was discussion here about some online > store in the US that had them pretty cheap, but I don't have the > thread and didn't buy one and I think they had some issues with being > slow to ship. But may be worth checking out to see if they still sell > it. > > There's always eBay; I know you can find some there (sometimes they > are part of a group of other puzzles). > > and there's this shop: > http://hlavolamy.gumruch.cz/europe.php > > never bought from there before but someone here must have and can > comment about them. > > I got mine at a local thrift shop for $0.50 and it's in great shape, > but I suppose that was just dumb luck. > > good luck! > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harveyjonathon" > <harveyjonathon@> wrote: > > > > Hey Cubers! > > > > Does anyone know how I might get a hold of a Square-1 puzzle? Are > > these still in production? My searching so far has come up with no > > encouraging results... so, I'm going to the authority on this one, > the > > wider cubing community, any help would be appreciated ! > > > > > > Jon > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > That is why he(only one) solved Megaminx blindfolded, FOUR 3*3*3 > cubes BLD. I don't think it is possible with rote memory. > > John Louis Oh I'm sure it's possible. It would just be much harder (at least for me, I think). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > With a 5 level > system you could memorize the edge permutation of a 4x4 or 5x5 in at > best 3 images. That would be awesome! 5 * 3 = 24 ? Cheers! Stefan

lol.... that was posted a LONG time ago. but yea, i agree. though i don't think it made me barf. the books were better. On 3/4/06, shamsul khawaja <shamsus2010@...> wrote: > i watched the movie and i made me barf... i read all the books so far0 and when u make a novel a movie... the movie sucks and makes the books look bad too > > Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: I watched it Thursday, opening night. I'm not a Harry Potter fan...but my > girlfriend is, so I had to go. The movie was my favorite of the series so > far. > > -Chris > > On 11/24/05, Parth Upadhyay <parth.upadhyay@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hey everyone. I know this is kind of off topic, but is neone here want to > > see Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire?!?!?!?! > > the movie looks sooo good. Though im sure they cant capture the essence of > > the book in a movie, all the harry potters were made really well. > > > > ne hp fans!? > > > > -parth > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > SHAMSUL > > Khawaja > > > > --------------------------------- > Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 04:15:47PM -0000, cmhardw wrote: > Hey Ryan, > > I think doing something like this is alright for the 3x3x3, you can > still get some really fast times, but I would hate the idea of also > using it for the 5x5x5. Storing all that information by rote for > the 5x5x5 would take me twice as long as using the stories I use, To be clear, I'm not advocating "rote memorisation" either. That means memorising something using a process of repetition, without necessarily comprehending what is being memorised. This is also unappealing to me. What I am talking about is memorisation by analysis of the material in its native domain. With the amount of brain mass that is dedicated to visual processing, it is hard to believe that there isn't enough of it to break down the structure of a cube visually. Much less of our brain is dedicated to auditory processing, yet in one second, a human brain can identify and memorise the equivalent of more than half the information content of 1 cube, within an audio signal. Ryan

Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... Pedro --------------------------------- Yahoo! Acesso Grátis Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i got the 5x5x5 cube and it didnt come with an instructions book....:( anyone kno of a good site with lots of pretty java cube applets? thnx

He's a busy man, with his wife and kids... can't always be posting on forums. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... > > Pedro > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis > Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o discador agora! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I just got my white diy cube today and it's really sweet, except that I'm having a little difficulty with the color recognition. Does anyone else have that problem, or is it just something that takes time to get used to? -Ben.

Hey Don't jump so quickly to an internet site! The beauty of these puzzles is in working them out yourself! I assume you can do the 3x3 right... so, see how many of those principles apply for the 5x5. If you can do the 4x4, even better, since the 5x5 is actually easier (if one regards the fixed centers as making the puzzle easier). Rather than jumping into a complete solution with 'pretty java cube applets', here are some hints: 1) Find out the most 'difficult' part of the solution, and do it first: if you think about this, you should see that the centers are most easily done first, and, lucky for you :) this is VERY intuitive. After solving the centers, you naturally ask yourself, 'what is the next most taxing/difficult' step. Surely it isn't the corners (which behave as those on the 3x3), so you are left with the 'edge cubies'. -What would be the most LOGICAL next step? IF you've thought about it, you'll see that if you can associate every three edge cubies into a single 'edge triplet', your cube will do something intriguing... It will behave as a 3x3! You have reduced the problem of solving the 5x5 to that of solving the 3x3! This is the method I'd recommend, as it works for all cubes n>3. In fact, for odd cubes there is only ONE important algorithm you need to workout (in addition to those on the 3x3), namely one which 'flips' (swaps) two edge cubies. I'd suggest you work this one out, since doing so will SHOW you why the position occurs, which is quite fascinating! Anyway, good luck! Jon > i got the 5x5x5 cube and it didnt come with an instructions book....: ( > anyone kno of a good site with lots of pretty java cube applets? thnx >

Hi Chris, So far, I am doing well.. I didn't memorise a cube with my system yet, but I am getting used to the persons and other words... I do that with a cube in my hands, so I can think of a person (as an image in my head) immediately when I see a piece. I really try to push my imagination to work here... I really feel that using your imagination to create the images in my head will help here... To illustrate this, after I woke up, and was freshing up in front of the mirror, and I told myself three little 'stories' in my system (also using the 'journey' around the house I am planning to use), just to think of a few examples of scenes that could occur with my system... I wasn't planning on recalling it, but 5 minutes later, on the dinner table, I was perfectly able to recall the 3 scenes (would be 9 pieces of information) without a problem. I really had the feeling I was recalling stuff... And it worked. Today, I will try to get used to the system more, and also try to use it to solve a few cubes blindfolded... One thing I am realising now, is that if anyone wants to learn to solve a cube blindfolded fast, he's also getting into a new hobby: memorising. It's like a new sport! I got interested by people who use the phonetic system to read numbers as if they are sounds to remember numbers easily... I am also interested in learning that too :). Well g2g now.. Good luck Chris!! - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Joël, > > I hope your words are going well! I have been thinking about mine for > a while and finally finished today. I just used A-X because I want to > be able to know which number I am at when I stop (I plan to use this > for the 4x4 and 5x5 edges). Also I think I will use only the A-L for > the 3x3 edges and M-T for the 3x3 corners. Or at least I'll try it > and see how it works. I'm not sure what I'll use for the bigger cubes > for the corners, probably the same I am using now I guess. Still > unsure how to add all these together for a new approach to memorizing > the 5x5x5 BLD. > > I haven't memorized my words yet, I just finished creating them. Now > it's off to memorizing them and placing them onto my 4x4 edges in a > way that I like. > > Hope your solving with your system goes well, keep us updated! I will > try to do them same. > > Happy cubing! > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Yo Chris! > > > > Nice that you are also trying to create words and images for a P/A/O > > method... > > > > I now finished a list with 22 * 3 words (22 names, 22 actions and 22 > > objects)!!! I am so happy with this.. I really spend a lot of time > > on it, because I wanted to have actions and objects that I can > > really make a visual image about.. And the list I have now works for > > that! I am going to train myself converting the cube into the images > > and backwards the next few days... I will let you know how I am > > doing. > > > > - Joël. >

What were those Korean and French championships? Where are the results?

2003? ----- Original Message ----- From: Anssi Vanhala To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] 2003 competitions What were those Korean and French championships? Where are the results? SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What does "WHAT" mean? (In the 3x3x3 avg). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis > <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > > > That is why he(only one) solved Megaminx blindfolded, FOUR 3*3*3 > > cubes BLD. I don't think it is possible with rote memory. > > > > John Louis > > Oh I'm sure it's possible. It would just be much harder (at least for > me, I think). > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

How can you seriously first suggest he works it out himself (I completely agree) and then show him a method right here??? Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harveyjonathon" <harveyjonathon@...> wrote: > > Hey > > Don't jump so quickly to an internet site! The beauty of these puzzles > is in working them out yourself! I assume you can do the 3x3 right.. . > so, see how many of those principles apply for the 5x5. If you can do > the 4x4, even better, since the 5x5 is actually easier (if one regards > the fixed centers as making the puzzle easier). > > Rather than jumping into a complete solution with 'pretty java cube > applets', here are some hints: > > 1) Find out the most 'difficult' part of the solution, and do it first: > if you think about this, you should see that the centers are most > easily done first, and, lucky for you :) this is VERY intuitive. > > After solving the centers, you naturally ask yourself, 'what is the > next most taxing/difficult' step. Surely it isn't the corners (which > behave as those on the 3x3), so you are left with the 'edge cubies'. > > -What would be the most LOGICAL next step? IF you've thought about it, > you'll see that if you can associate every three edge cubies into a > single 'edge triplet', your cube will do something intriguing... It > will behave as a 3x3! You have reduced the problem of solving the 5x5 > to that of solving the 3x3! This is the method I'd recommend, as it > works for all cubes n>3. In fact, for odd cubes there is only ONE > important algorithm you need to workout (in addition to those on the > 3x3), namely one which 'flips' (swaps) two edge cubies. I'd suggest > you work this one out, since doing so will SHOW you why the position > occurs, which is quite fascinating! > > Anyway, good luck! > > Jon > > > > i got the 5x5x5 cube and it didnt come with an instructions book.. ..: > ( > > anyone kno of a good site with lots of pretty java cube applets? thnx > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > What does "WHAT" mean? (In the 3x3x3 avg). It's a shocked, surprised "WHAT?!?" that I said to myself when I saw my result (I only write down my times during the average and let my computer do the stats *afterwards*). Btw, I'm actually more shocked about the 17.61 avg100 than the 15.77 avg10... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... > > Pedro I've also wondered... sent him an email a week or two ago when I noticed he hadn't posted for a month. But no reply yet. If anyone is in contact with him, please just make him say 'hi' or whatever... he's making me worried a bit... Stefan

He's alive and will. I'll expect $10,000 USD in non-sequential unmarked two dollar bills by the end of this week, or else... the beard is getting shaved. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 5, 2006, at 4:02 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> > wrote: >> >> Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... >> >> Pedro > > I've also wondered... sent him an email a week or two ago when I > noticed he hadn't posted for a month. But no reply yet. If anyone is > in contact with him, please just make him say 'hi' or whatever... he's > making me worried a bit... > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Speedcubing.com news archives. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > 2003? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anssi Vanhala > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 2003 competitions > > > What were those Korean and French championships? Where are the results? > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

There's an adjustment you have to make mentally, but I find that I can make the switch without affecting my times. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > I just got my white diy cube today and it's really sweet, except that > I'm having a little difficulty with the color recognition. > > Does anyone else have that problem, or is it just something that takes > time to get used to? > > -Ben. >

I am brain dead. I cannot do this without a solution guide becuase wiithout it my brain dies on me... but thnx for the method ill try to intuitivly figure it out... Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: How can you seriously first suggest he works it out himself (I completely agree) and then show him a method right here??? Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harveyjonathon" <harveyjonathon@...> wrote: > > Hey > > Don't jump so quickly to an internet site! The beauty of these puzzles > is in working them out yourself! I assume you can do the 3x3 right.. . > so, see how many of those principles apply for the 5x5. If you can do > the 4x4, even better, since the 5x5 is actually easier (if one regards > the fixed centers as making the puzzle easier). > > Rather than jumping into a complete solution with 'pretty java cube > applets', here are some hints: > > 1) Find out the most 'difficult' part of the solution, and do it first: > if you think about this, you should see that the centers are most > easily done first, and, lucky for you :) this is VERY intuitive. > > After solving the centers, you naturally ask yourself, 'what is the > next most taxing/difficult' step. Surely it isn't the corners (which > behave as those on the 3x3), so you are left with the 'edge cubies'. > > -What would be the most LOGICAL next step? IF you've thought about it, > you'll see that if you can associate every three edge cubies into a > single 'edge triplet', your cube will do something intriguing... It > will behave as a 3x3! You have reduced the problem of solving the 5x5 > to that of solving the 3x3! This is the method I'd recommend, as it > works for all cubes n>3. In fact, for odd cubes there is only ONE > important algorithm you need to workout (in addition to those on the > 3x3), namely one which 'flips' (swaps) two edge cubies. I'd suggest > you work this one out, since doing so will SHOW you why the position > occurs, which is quite fascinating! > > Anyway, good luck! > > Jon > > > > i got the 5x5x5 cube and it didnt come with an instructions book.. ..: > ( > > anyone kno of a good site with lots of pretty java cube applets? thnx > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Anssi, Those competitions were both unofficial. The Stackmat timer was first used during WC2003. Here are some parts of a report on the French championship 2003: " The organizers were "Winning moves", they are the only ones to sell Rubik's cubes in France. Their goal was not to organize an OFFICIAL championship, but it was to reveal come talented cubists, and send the best of them to Toronto. " " The first five cubists in this championships were from the french group (!!!!) (Nicolas/ J-B / Thomas Templier / Frederic Badie (and me)). J-B was the last of us with an average time of 58 seconds, all the other cubists (about 15) were above the minute, and AMAZED when they saw the first 30-40 seconds time. " See attachment for a picture of the group. Adam Géhin won with a best time of 15 seconds. The times were measured with a stopwatch. I posted a short item on the Korean championship 2003, including the results and a video. Check out http://www.speedcubing.com/events/unofficial Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Anssi Vanhala To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 1:16 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2003 competitions Speedcubing.com news archives. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > 2003? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Anssi Vanhala > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 9:37 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] 2003 competitions > > > What were those Korean and French championships? Where are the results? > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I talked to Bob a week or two or maybe more ago, and hes still alive, but hes busy with school, and he says his interest in cubing isn't as strong as it was before...:( I'll tell him you are all looking for him... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... > > > > Pedro > > I've also wondered... sent him an email a week or two ago when I > noticed he hadn't posted for a month. But no reply yet. If anyone is > in contact with him, please just make him say 'hi' or whatever... he's > making me worried a bit... > > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: >I only write down my times during the average and let my > computer do the stats *afterwards*). > > Cheers! > Stefan Is it so that you don't get nervous if you have a great rolling average coming? I've noticed that I'm not even close to as nervous when I write down the times, as when I put them into JNetCube after each solve and am able to see my session average. /Gunnar

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > >I only write down my times during the average and let my > > computer do the stats *afterwards*). > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > Is it so that you don't get nervous if you have a great rolling > average coming? I've noticed that I'm not even close to as nervous > when I write down the times, as when I put them into JNetCube after > each solve and am able to see my session average. > > /Gunnar No, that's not the intention. I just prefer to store all times in text files and then run a program that I wrote to do the stats. This lets me keep all data and if I improve the program I just delete the stats files and run it again and it will compute the improved stats for all data again. I also like to include some comments sometimes and now I always include the scramble as well. For example I take the Sunday Contest scrambles and copy them into an editor: R U D' ... L F' L2 D U' F ... B R2 F R2 F R' ... L F2 U' Then I solve and add the times and comments if I want to, e.g.: =16.97 R U D' ... L F' L2 =12.34 D U' F ... B R2 F (PLL=U') =23.45 R2 F R' ... L F2 U' (I suck) Cheers! Stefan

Under the new pop rules, does it count as a puzzle defect if a center cap of a 3x3x3 comes off during a solve? The puzzle can still be completed normally when this happens, but does it count? Or do you have to retrieve the cap and snap it back in place for the solve to count? In other words, should I glue my caps prior to competition if there is even a remote chance of them coming off during an attempt? Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Under the new pop rules, does it count as a puzzle defect if a center > cap of a 3x3x3 comes off during a solve? The puzzle can still be > completed normally when this happens, but does it count? Or do you > have to retrieve the cap and snap it back in place for the solve to > count? > > In other words, should I glue my caps prior to competition if there is > even a remote chance of them coming off during an attempt? > > Chris 5b5) If after the solve a non functional part of the puzzle is still defect (like a center cap of a cube) or not fully rotated (like a 5x5x5 center piece twisted in its spot), but the puzzle is otherwise unambiguously solved, the puzzle is considered solved, under discretion of the main judge. Cheers! Stefan

Okay so I'm going to answer my own question: WCA Article 5b5: "If after the solve a non functional part of the puzzle is still defect (like a center cap of a cube) or not fully rotated (like a 5x5x5 center piece twisted in its spot), but the puzzle is otherwise unambiguously solved, the puzzle is considered solved, under discretion of the main judge." So I guess it's not a big deal, and I don't have to glue the caps. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Under the new pop rules, does it count as a puzzle defect if a center > cap of a 3x3x3 comes off during a solve? The puzzle can still be > completed normally when this happens, but does it count? Or do you > have to retrieve the cap and snap it back in place for the solve to > count? > > In other words, should I glue my caps prior to competition if there is > even a remote chance of them coming off during an attempt? > > Chris >

he updated his facebook photo.... not that it really matters much On 3/5/06, Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > I talked to Bob a week or two or maybe more ago, and hes still alive, > but hes busy with school, and he says his interest in cubing isn't as > strong as it was before...:( I'll tell him you are all looking for him... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Anybody knows about him? He's been so quiet recently... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > I've also wondered... sent him an email a week or two ago when I > > noticed he hadn't posted for a month. But no reply yet. If anyone is > > in contact with him, please just make him say 'hi' or whatever... he's > > making me worried a bit... > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

At the beginning it's a bit strange, but you'll get used to it ;-) Gilles. 2006/3/5, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > There's an adjustment you have to make mentally, but I find that I > can make the switch without affecting my times. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > <grsbmd@...> wrote: > > > > I just got my white diy cube today and it's really sweet, except > that > > I'm having a little difficulty with the color recognition. > > > > Does anyone else have that problem, or is it just something that > takes > > time to get used to? > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" > <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > >I only write down my times during the average and let my > > > computer do the stats *afterwards*). > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > Is it so that you don't get nervous if you have a great rolling > > average coming? I've noticed that I'm not even close to as nervous > > when I write down the times, as when I put them into JNetCube after > > each solve and am able to see my session average. > > > > /Gunnar > > No, that's not the intention. I just prefer to store all times in text > files and then run a program that I wrote to do the stats. This lets > me keep all data and if I improve the program I just delete the stats > files and run it again and it will compute the improved stats for all > data again. I also like to include some comments sometimes and now I > always include the scramble as well. For example I take the Sunday > Contest scrambles and copy them into an editor: > > R U D' ... L F' L2 > D U' F ... B R2 F > R2 F R' ... L F2 U' > > Then I solve and add the times and comments if I want to, e.g.: > > =16.97 R U D' ... L F' L2 > =12.34 D U' F ... B R2 F (PLL=U') > =23.45 R2 F R' ... L F2 U' (I suck) > > Cheers! > Stefan > Hi Stefan! Great idea to write a program that do the stats. I think I'm gonna do such a program myself. /Gunnar

I woke up this morning and took an average...this was the most inconstant average of my life. After about 15 solves I was pretty consistent, but these first 12 were all over the place. Does this happen to anyone else when they first start cubing at the beginning of the day? Average: 19.13 seconds Individual Times: 22.39, 16.99, 16.35, 20.78, 18.54, (30.30), 19.12, (14.25), 17.61, 17.53, 18.00, 24.00

I guess it is just a matter of adjusting to it. I managed to get my second best average ever with it this morning. -Ben --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > At the beginning it's a bit strange, but you'll get used to it ;-) > > Gilles. > > 2006/3/5, christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > There's an adjustment you have to make mentally, but I find that I > > can make the switch without affecting my times. > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ben King" > > <grsbmd@> wrote: > > > > > > I just got my white diy cube today and it's really sweet, except > > that > > > I'm having a little difficulty with the color recognition. > > > > > > Does anyone else have that problem, or is it just something that > > takes > > > time to get used to? > > > > > > -Ben. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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My 3x3 cube wont stop popping. I am going to buy a new speedcube any suggestions about what cube I should buy and where I can get it? Thanks

usually when i start solving, my first avg consists of times from 17-32 seconds. :-/ On 3/5/06, Chris Hunt <huntca@...> wrote: > I woke up this morning and took an average...this was the most > inconstant average of my life. After about 15 solves I was pretty > consistent, but these first 12 were all over the place. Does this > happen to anyone else when they first start cubing at the beginning of > the day? > > Average: 19.13 seconds > Individual Times: 22.39, 16.99, 16.35, 20.78, 18.54, (30.30), 19.12, > (14.25), 17.61, 17.53, 18.00, 24.00 > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

white DIY cube from rubiks.com apparently they're good? though im pretty happy with my 25th anniversary one. On 3/5/06, bballkid2076 <bballkid2076@yahoo.com> wrote: > My 3x3 cube wont stop popping. I am going to buy a new speedcube any > suggestions about what cube I should buy and where I can get it? > > Thanks > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Does anyone have any info on when and where the US championships will be. Also does anyone know if there will be a Horace Mann Tourney? Thanks

I'm still working on Vegas, and Caltech is the backup. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:26 PM, bballkid2076 wrote: > Does anyone have any info on when and where the US championships will > be. Also does anyone know if there will be a Horace Mann Tourney? > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

i found the white diy's to be extremely annoying. theyre non arched centers so it continuously pops. i'd suggest a black diy however, i believe they are already all sold out after what seemed like a lifetime for them to be back in stock. -ryan

http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology

How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith to solve the cube on his own without asking for help? What was his fastest time? --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

That doesn't help me whatsoever.... I got all jittery and screwed up so badly for several averages. The most exciting one was when I did 5 solves all sub 14 (several 11's and 12's too)... then boom, everything goes down the hill. I just insert them into MS Excel and then use the average function. Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > >I only write down my times during the average and let my > > computer do the stats *afterwards*). > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > Is it so that you don't get nervous if you have a great rolling > average coming? I've noticed that I'm not even close to as nervous > when I write down the times, as when I put them into JNetCube after > each solve and am able to see my session average. > > /Gunnar >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@...> wrote: > > i found the white diy's to be extremely annoying. theyre non arched > centers They don't have arched centers? Are you saying everybody else is lying and faking pictures? Stefan

As of the beginning of this year, the white ones have arched centers. Last year they didn't. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "tehguardians" <tehguardians@...> wrote: > > i found the white diy's to be extremely annoying. theyre non arched > centers so it continuously pops. i'd suggest a black diy however, i > believe they are already all sold out after what seemed like a > lifetime for them to be back in stock. > > -ryan >

Last night I dreamed about a Rubik's competition. It was huge, a big area full of cubers, I estimate 2000-3000. Was it just a dream or a look into the future? Cupstackers were already close to 1000 last year: http://tinyurl.com/oa5q7 Cheers! Stefan

Yes, but look at the competition list! In the event 3-3-3 e.g. there were 150 participants, one from UK, one from Australia, two from Germany and 146(!) from USA. Apparently, no world sport (yet). Btw, a German won this class. Congrats! R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] dream ? > Last night I dreamed about a Rubik's competition. It was huge, a big > area full of cubers, I estimate 2000-3000. Was it just a dream or a > look into the future? Cupstackers were already close to 1000 last > year: > http://tinyurl.com/oa5q7 > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Yeah... after reading that text I think it's not even an American sport but more like a Colorado sport. Besides the one German kid they mention 8 others, *all* from Colorado. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Yes, but look at the competition list! In the event 3-3-3 e.g. there were 150 participants, one from UK, one from Australia, two from Germany and 146(!) from USA. Apparently, no world sport (yet). Btw, a German won this class. Congrats! > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:31 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] dream ? > > > > Last night I dreamed about a Rubik's competition. It was huge, a big > > area full of cubers, I estimate 2000-3000. Was it just a dream or a > > look into the future? Cupstackers were already close to 1000 last > > year: > > http://tinyurl.com/oa5q7 > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It seems that the reason why they attract more people is because cupstacking doesn't require any significant memorizing or learning, like solving the cube does. It's more about pure dexterity. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Yeah... after reading that text I think it's not even an American > sport but more like a Colorado sport. Besides the one German kid they > mention 8 others, *all* from Colorado. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

ive seen many people saying stuff about arched centers and stuff, can anyone tell me hte advantage of having a cube with arched centers? thnx

got it a couple of days ago and by far teh best cube ive ever had!!!!

Yes :-) I think we see some of the same in the cubing community. Those who like the magic are also keen on cupstacking. Both are about dexterity :-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: > > It seems that the reason why they attract more people is because > cupstacking doesn't require any significant memorizing or learning, > like solving the cube does. It's more about pure dexterity. > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Yeah... after reading that text I think it's not even an American > > sport but more like a Colorado sport. Besides the one German kid > they > > mention 8 others, *all* from Colorado. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

With arched centers, the track in which each face rotates is perfectly circular. With flat centers, the track is more octagonal. The octagonal tracks have less friction but the tension is somewhat uneven, and the edge pieces can "pop" out of the cube during speedsolving. The arched centers tend to hold the pieces in better, but will also catch more often if adjacent faces are not well-aligned. It totally depends on your cubing style. I never used to pop with flat centers, so I preferred them. Now I've changed my style and I pop them all the time, so I switched to arched centers and I never pop. Once you improve your turning accuracy, the arched centers are generally the preferred cube to use. One other note is that the arched centers are somewhat quieter. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aznboi1234321" <aznboi1234321@...> wrote: > > ive seen many people saying stuff about arched centers and stuff, can > anyone tell me hte advantage of having a cube with arched centers? thnx >

Just found some interesting videos pertaining to other "hobby- oriented" communities (in this case, one that also deals with a lot of eye-hand coordination)... with this I'd like to show you a really cool yoyo video: http://www.wimp.com/yoyotricks/

Hi all, The final schedule is up. The following events will be carried out at the competition: *3x3 Speed *3x3 One-handed *3x3 BLD *4x4 Speed *4x4 BLD *5x5 Speed Full Details of the competition can be found at the following link: http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt I also have a registration form available. If you are interested in coming please fill it out. If you are a 'maybe' or 'probable' for the competition, feel free to fill it out also. (Just note your status on the form) http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/registration.txt I hope to hear from a lot of you! Happy Cubing :) -Richard Patterson richy_jr_2000@...

I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have fun! http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html -Richard Patterson richy_jr_2000@...

I have only started cubing recently and have taken a great liking to it; however, the only solution I have memorized is Blake O'Hares at nerdparadise.com I like the way Blake presented the algorithoms, with little cubes because I still can't "speak" all that "R' F G'" junk. This solution only has you memorize around 12 algorithoms, but takes forever. My average time is around 1:15-1:25. I'm looking for a new speedcubing solution but with the fewest algorithoms to memorize. Any suggestions? PLEASE don't tell me the Fridich system becauese my friend is trying to memorize it, and I think he's nuts because there are "60+" algorithoms to memorize.

It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to teach him the very basics. He had some trouble remembering the last layer algorithms. His fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able to understand the concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart dude. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith to > solve the cube on his own without asking for help? > What was his fastest time? > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Ok, well... I averaged about low 30s with the following method: Cross, insert FL corners, not caring about orientation, and either learn the 11 or w/e algs for F2L with corner inserted...then: 17 basic LL algs for 4LLL(everytime) (some on the next page too) http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/24999 http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/25002 With practice this can become fast, and then you can just get intuitive for the last of F2L and eliminate a few of the steps. I now average around 24 seconds and I know all except 4 PLLs and a handful of OLLs, and full F2L...its all what you want to take the time to learn... Craig P.S. - I started doing BLD yesterday, and I've come SOOOOO close SOOOO many times...Stefan: YOU ROCK!!! Ur method is soooo easy :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harrierfalcon" <harrierfalcon@...> wrote: > > I have only started cubing recently and have taken a great liking to > it; however, the only solution I have memorized is Blake O'Hares at > nerdparadise.com I like the way Blake presented the algorithoms, > with little cubes because I still can't "speak" all that "R' F G'" > junk. This solution only has you memorize around 12 algorithoms, > but takes forever. My average time is around 1:15-1:25. I'm looking > for a new speedcubing solution but with the fewest algorithoms to > memorize. Any suggestions? PLEASE don't tell me the Fridich system > becauese my friend is trying to memorize it, and I think he's nuts > because there are "60+" algorithoms to memorize. >

See attached file, fucker. My status would be probably leaning towards definitely. -Mike On 3/6/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > The final schedule is up. The following events will be carried out at > the competition: > > *3x3 Speed > *3x3 One-handed > *3x3 BLD > *4x4 Speed > *4x4 BLD > *5x5 Speed > > Full Details of the competition can be found at the following link: > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt > > I also have a registration form available. If you are interested in > coming please fill it out. If you are a 'maybe' or 'probable' for the > competition, feel free to fill it out also. (Just note your status on > the form) > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/registration.txt > > I hope to hear from a lot of you! Happy Cubing :) > > -Richard Patterson > richy_jr_2000@... ---------- Draughons Eastern Competition, Spring 2005 April 22nd, 2006 (Saturday) (PRE)REGISTRATION FORM NAME: STATE: EMAIL: DATE: ====================================================== CHECK ALL THE EVENTS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. INCLUDE YOUR APPROXIMATE TIMES AS WELL. THIS IS USED TO BEST ACCOMODATE THE SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. EVENTS: APPROX. TIMES [X] 3x3 Speed [ ~20 ] [X] 3x3 One-Handed [ ~60 ] [ ] 3x3 Blindfolded [ ] [X] 4x4 Speed [ ~95-100 ] [ ] 4x4 Blindfolded [ ] [ ] 5x5 Speed [ ] ====================================================== ** After filling out this form in notepad, please email it to me in .txt format. [richy_jr_2000@...] ** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Fuck. Ignore that last one, as I sent the wrong version of the file. Here's the real one. -Mike P.S. I will help scramble as necessary, even for big cubes. P.P.S. If you would be willing to house me, I would be much more inclined to make it. On 3/6/06, Mike Bennett <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > See attached file, fucker. My status would be probably leaning towards > definitely. > > -Mike > > > On 3/6/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > The final schedule is up. The following events will be carried out at > > the competition: > > > > *3x3 Speed > > *3x3 One-handed > > *3x3 BLD > > *4x4 Speed > > *4x4 BLD > > *5x5 Speed > > > > Full Details of the competition can be found at the following link: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt > > > > I also have a registration form available. If you are interested in > > coming please fill it out. If you are a 'maybe' or 'probable' for the > > competition, feel free to fill it out also. (Just note your status on > > the form) > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/registration.txt > > > > I hope to hear from a lot of you! Happy Cubing :) > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@... > > > > ---------- Draughons Eastern Competition, Spring 2005 April 22nd, 2006 (Saturday) (PRE)REGISTRATION FORM NAME: Mike Bennett STATE: Iowa EMAIL: mikeisadumbname@... DATE: March 6th, 2006 ====================================================== CHECK ALL THE EVENTS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. INCLUDE YOUR APPROXIMATE TIMES AS WELL. THIS IS USED TO BEST ACCOMODATE THE SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. EVENTS: APPROX. TIMES [X] 3x3 Speed [ ~20 ] [X] 3x3 One-Handed [ ~60 ] [ ] 3x3 Blindfolded [ ] [X] 4x4 Speed [ ~95-100 ] [ ] 4x4 Blindfolded [ ] [ ] 5x5 Speed [ ] ====================================================== ** After filling out this form in notepad, please email it to me in .txt format. [richy_jr_2000@...] ** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi 1. learn the language. It's not that hard. 2. if you insist: use my favelet, that's even easier http://vanderblonk.com/cube/favelet/index.htm Then you won't be bothered with algorithm junk 3. Or, use my applet page if you'r handier with urls http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp e.g. http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp?alg=(ME)4 good luck Michiel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "harrierfalcon" <harrierfalcon@...> wrote: > > I have only started cubing recently and have taken a great liking to > it; however, the only solution I have memorized is Blake O'Hares at > nerdparadise.com I like the way Blake presented the algorithoms, > with little cubes because I still can't "speak" all that "R' F G'" > junk. This solution only has you memorize around 12 algorithoms, > but takes forever. My average time is around 1:15-1:25. I'm looking > for a new speedcubing solution but with the fewest algorithoms to > memorize. Any suggestions? PLEASE don't tell me the Fridich system > becauese my friend is trying to memorize it, and I think he's nuts > because there are "60+" algorithoms to memorize. >

I added an FAQ database to the db section. Please all help to - enlighten newbies who keep asking questions about 1. how to solve the cube 2. how to use the forum 3. how to get faster 4. how to get as good as that guy from Letterman - shamelessly plug your website That way, when a newbie asks one of these questions we can just direct them to the FAQ. Michiel

This is a great idea, we just need to fill it... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Michiel van der Blonk" <blonkm@...> wrote: > > I added an FAQ database to the db section. Please all help to > > - enlighten newbies who keep asking questions about > 1. how to solve the cube > 2. how to use the forum > 3. how to get faster > 4. how to get as good as that guy from Letterman > - shamelessly plug your website > > That way, when a newbie asks one of these questions we can just direct > them to the FAQ. > > Michiel >

Hi, I'm new to megaminx, my best time yet is 6:22.12, my biggest problem is the last layer. I'm mostly at around 5 min. when I have to solve last layer, using avg. more than 1:30 for last layer is very much... I use: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' things), Permutate Edges, Orient Corners (with B R'B'R things), permutate Corners. I want to: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' things), Orient Corners (Sune Like things), Permutate Edges, Permutate Corners. The problem is that I don't know how to do the Permutation part, I know it can be done by commutators, but I'm not good at them and most commutators are too long. Where can I get the Permutation algs? Erik Akkersdijk

Waw, good luck to the guys who are going to solve the 4x4 Blindfolded at 7:40 AM :D Looks like a nice competition ;-) Gilles. 2006/3/7, Mike Bennett <mikeisadumbname@...>: > Fuck. Ignore that last one, as I sent the wrong version of the file. > Here's the real one. > > -Mike > > P.S. I will help scramble as necessary, even for big cubes. > P.P.S. If you would be willing to house me, I would be much more inclined > to make it. > > On 3/6/06, Mike Bennett <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > > > See attached file, fucker. My status would be probably leaning towards > > definitely. > > > > -Mike > > > > > > On 3/6/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The final schedule is up. The following events will be carried out at > > > the competition: > > > > > > *3x3 Speed > > > *3x3 One-handed > > > *3x3 BLD > > > *4x4 Speed > > > *4x4 BLD > > > *5x5 Speed > > > > > > Full Details of the competition can be found at the following link: > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt > > > > > > I also have a registration form available. If you are interested in > > > coming please fill it out. If you are a 'maybe' or 'probable' for the > > > competition, feel free to fill it out also. (Just note your status on > > > the form) > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/registration.txt > > > > > > I hope to hear from a lot of you! Happy Cubing :) > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@... > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > Draughons Eastern Competition, Spring 2005 > April 22nd, 2006 (Saturday) > > > (PRE)REGISTRATION FORM > > > NAME: Mike Bennett > > STATE: Iowa > > EMAIL: mikeisadumbname@... > > DATE: March 6th, 2006 > > ====================================================== > > CHECK ALL THE EVENTS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. INCLUDE > YOUR APPROXIMATE TIMES AS WELL. THIS IS USED TO BEST > ACCOMODATE THE SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. > > EVENTS: APPROX. TIMES > > [X] 3x3 Speed [ ~20 ] > [X] 3x3 One-Handed [ ~60 ] > [ ] 3x3 Blindfolded [ ] > [X] 4x4 Speed [ ~95-100 ] > [ ] 4x4 Blindfolded [ ] > [ ] 5x5 Speed [ ] > > ====================================================== > > ** After filling out this form in notepad, please email > it to me in .txt format. [richy_jr_2000@...] ** > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

Hi Erik, This is exactly the method I currently use... Do you have problems with permuting the corners, or just permuting the edges without destroying other things (like corner orientation)? Well.. I guess we should meet on MSN. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I'm new to megaminx, my best time yet is 6:22.12, my biggest problem > is the last layer. I'm mostly at around 5 min. when I have to solve > last layer, using avg. more than 1:30 for last layer is very much... I > use: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' things), Permutate Edges, Orient Corners > (with > B R'B'R things), permutate Corners. I want to: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' > things), Orient Corners (Sune Like things), Permutate Edges, Permutate > Corners. The problem is that I don't know how to do the Permutation > part, I know it can be done by commutators, but I'm not good at them > and most commutators are too long. Where can I get the Permutation algs? > > Erik Akkersdijk >

Mike, You'll notice on the bottom of the form it says to *email* the completed form to me. You didn't complete the form or email it to me. Please follow directions :) -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Mike Bennett" <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > See attached file, fucker. My status would be probably leaning towards > definitely. > > -Mike > > On 3/6/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > The final schedule is up. The following events will be carried out at > > the competition: > > > > *3x3 Speed > > *3x3 One-handed > > *3x3 BLD > > *4x4 Speed > > *4x4 BLD > > *5x5 Speed > > > > Full Details of the competition can be found at the following link: > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/EasternSpring2006.txt > > > > I also have a registration form available. If you are interested in > > coming please fill it out. If you are a 'maybe' or 'probable' for the > > competition, feel free to fill it out also. (Just note your status on > > the form) > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/registration.txt > > > > I hope to hear from a lot of you! Happy Cubing :) > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@... > > ---------- > > Draughons Eastern Competition, Spring 2005 > April 22nd, 2006 (Saturday) > > > (PRE)REGISTRATION FORM > > > NAME: > > STATE: > > EMAIL: > > DATE: > > ====================================================== > > CHECK ALL THE EVENTS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. INCLUDE > YOUR APPROXIMATE TIMES AS WELL. THIS IS USED TO BEST > ACCOMODATE THE SCHEDULE. THANK YOU. > > EVENTS: APPROX. TIMES > > [X] 3x3 Speed [ ~20 ] > [X] 3x3 One-Handed [ ~60 ] > [ ] 3x3 Blindfolded [ ] > [X] 4x4 Speed [ ~95-100 ] > [ ] 4x4 Blindfolded [ ] > [ ] 5x5 Speed [ ] > > ====================================================== > > ** After filling out this form in notepad, please email > it to me in .txt format. [richy_jr_2000@...] ** > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn it couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for the fresh prince but to do it after you've just learned it in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not dumb but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went down. --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to teach > him the very > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > layer algorithms. His > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able to > understand the > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart dude. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> > wrote: > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith > to > > solve the cube on his own without asking for help? > > What was his fastest time? > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. I learned very quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only hints, and could solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I had plenty of time as a schoolkid on summer vacation. Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like having a top trainer, isn't it? Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn it > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for the > fresh prince but to do it after you've just learned it > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not dumb > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > down. > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to teach > > him the very > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > layer algorithms. His > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able to > > understand the > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart dude. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > <thunderpants16@> > > wrote: > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith > > to > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for help? > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > > to run. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley <no_reply@...> wrote: >Didn't WIll Smith get accepted into MIT? I heard this somewhere and was wondering if its true? > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. I learned very > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only hints, and could > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I had plenty of time > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like having a top > trainer, isn't it? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn it > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for the > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just learned it > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not dumb > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > > down. > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to teach > > > him the very > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > > layer algorithms. His > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able to > > > understand the > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart dude. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith > > > to > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for help? > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > > > to run. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >

I recall some interviews where he said he was indeed accepted (offered a scholarship), but turned it down to pursue acting. He's always liked math/science-related things. I don't think it's unrealistic to learn how to solve the cube in a day's tutoring. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "bballkid2076" <bballkid2076@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, christopher_pelley > <no_reply@> wrote: > >Didn't WIll Smith get accepted into MIT? I heard this somewhere and > was wondering if its true? > > > > > > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. I learned very > > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only hints, and could > > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I had plenty of time > > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like having a top > > trainer, isn't it? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn it > > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for the > > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just learned it > > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not dumb > > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > > > down. > > > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to teach > > > > him the very > > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > > > layer algorithms. His > > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able to > > > > understand the > > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart dude. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, DT > > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will Smith > > > > to > > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for help? > > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >

Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not you. Do you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a rapper. If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you think you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer like Usher? --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. > I learned very > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only > hints, and could > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I > had plenty of time > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like > having a top > trainer, isn't it? > > Chris > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn > it > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for > the > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just > learned it > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not > dumb > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > > down. > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > teach > > > him the very > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > > layer algorithms. His > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able > to > > > understand the > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > dude. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > DT > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will > Smith > > > to > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for > help? > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just > love > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Did you not read the other posts??? A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know him??? Not many cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson (at least thats what the officials say) But i don't think he is... Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl names... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not you. Do > you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > rapper. > If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you think > you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer like > Usher? > > --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: > > > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. > > I learned very > > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only > > hints, and could > > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I > > had plenty of time > > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like > > having a top > > trainer, isn't it? > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn > > it > > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for > > the > > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > learned it > > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not > > dumb > > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > > > down. > > > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > > teach > > > > him the very > > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > > > layer algorithms. His > > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able > > to > > > > understand the > > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > > dude. > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > DT > > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will > > Smith > > > > to > > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for > > help? > > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just > > love > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > > to run. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

Say whatever you want, but I know that Will Smith could solve the cube in 2 minutes flat while talking trash about you. He certainly did that while beating down the arrogant extras who thought they were hot stuff. Some people are just naturally talented at things. Some people pick up things better than others. Some people struggle very hard at certain things. It's how the world works. Tyson Mao Astrophysics '06 California Institute of Technology On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Did you not read the other posts??? > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know him??? Not many > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson (at least thats what > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl names... > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> > wrote: >> >> Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not you. Do >> you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a >> rapper. >> If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you think >> you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer like >> Usher? >> >> --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. >>> I learned very >>> quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only >>> hints, and could >>> solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I >>> had plenty of time >>> as a schoolkid on summer vacation. >>> >>> Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like >>> having a top >>> trainer, isn't it? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT >>> <thunderpants16@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn >>> it >>>> couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for >>> the >>>> fresh prince but to do it after you've just >>> learned it >>>> in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not >>> dumb >>>> but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was >>>> curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. >>>> Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went >>>> down. >>>> >>>> --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to >>> teach >>>>> him the very >>>>> basics. He had some trouble remembering the last >>>>> layer algorithms. His >>>>> fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able >>> to >>>>> understand the >>>>> concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart >>> dude. >>>>> >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, >>> DT >>>>> <thunderpants16@> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How many hours did it take you to teach Will >>> Smith >>>>> to >>>>>> solve the cube on his own without asking for >>> help? >>>>>> What was his fastest time? >>>>>> >>>>>> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tyson Mao >>>>>>> Astrophysics '06 >>>>>>> California Institute of Technology >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just >>> love >>>>> to run. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>>>> protection around >>>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just love >>> to run. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> Do You Yahoo!? >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>> protection around >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I thought both Tyson and Toby taught him (that's what the podcast said). As for my own geekiness... I do own a slide rule-- does that count? :) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know him??? Not many > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson (at least thats what > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl names... > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@> > wrote: > > > > Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not you. Do > > you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > > rapper. > > If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you think > > you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer like > > Usher? > > > > --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or two. > > > I learned very > > > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my only > > > hints, and could > > > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, I > > > had plenty of time > > > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > > > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda like > > > having a top > > > trainer, isn't it? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to learn > > > it > > > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch for > > > the > > > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > > learned it > > > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is not > > > dumb > > > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really went > > > > down. > > > > > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > > > teach > > > > > him the very > > > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the last > > > > > layer algorithms. His > > > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was able > > > to > > > > > understand the > > > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > > > dude. > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > DT > > > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach Will > > > Smith > > > > > to > > > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking for > > > help? > > > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just > > > love > > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > > > to run. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > >

a) Hey I heard Tyson's voice on the podcast from his link c) Who said geek was a bad thing, esp when it's used so commonly on these grounds. geez take it ez officer. --- Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > Did you not read the other posts??? > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > him??? Not many > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson (at > least thats what > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > names... > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> > wrote: > > > > Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not you. > Do > > you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > > rapper. > > If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > think > > you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer like > > Usher? > > > > --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > two. > > > I learned very > > > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > only > > > hints, and could > > > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, > I > > > had plenty of time > > > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > > > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda > like > > > having a top > > > trainer, isn't it? > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > DT > > > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > learn > > > it > > > > couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch > for > > > the > > > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > > learned it > > > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > not > > > dumb > > > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I > was > > > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a > month. > > > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really > went > > > > down. > > > > > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > > > teach > > > > > him the very > > > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering the > last > > > > > layer algorithms. His > > > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was > able > > > to > > > > > understand the > > > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a > smart > > > dude. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > DT > > > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach > Will > > > Smith > > > > > to > > > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking > for > > > help? > > > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they > just > > > love > > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just > love > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

No shit man. And it's good to know you knew that I did not use geek as an insult but as a comparison from a background point of view. Wow there some really high strung ppl around here. --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I thought both Tyson and Toby taught him (that's > what the podcast > said). As for my own geekiness... I do own a slide > rule-- does that > count? > > :) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@...> wrote: > > > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > him??? Not many > > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson > (at least thats > what > > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > names... > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not > you. Do > > > you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > > > rapper. > > > If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > think > > > you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer > like > > > Usher? > > > > > > --- christopher_pelley > <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > two. > > > > I learned very > > > > quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > only > > > > hints, and could > > > > solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. > Granted, I > > > > had plenty of time > > > > as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > > > > > > Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's > kinda like > > > > having a top > > > > trainer, isn't it? > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > DT > > > > <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > learn > > > > it > > > > > couple lessons whatever even that is a > stretch for > > > > the > > > > > fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > > > learned it > > > > > in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > not > > > > dumb > > > > > but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I > was > > > > > curious is Im the same age as Will + - a > month. > > > > > Guess I'll have to ask him myself what > really went > > > > > down. > > > > > > > > > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total > to > > > > teach > > > > > > him the very > > > > > > basics. He had some trouble remembering > the last > > > > > > layer algorithms. His > > > > > > fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He > was able > > > > to > > > > > > understand the > > > > > > concept of the cube very quickly. He's a > smart > > > > dude. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > > DT > > > > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many hours did it take you to teach > Will > > > > Smith > > > > > > to > > > > > > > solve the cube on his own without asking > for > > > > help? > > > > > > > What was his fastest time? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > > > > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > > > > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they > just > > > > love > > > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > spam > > > > > > protection around > > > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just > love > > > > to run. > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best > spam > > > > protection around > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

2 mins I believe it, anyone can after couple days or a week with practice. The part I did not fully accept was he did it on the same day or next day after he was trained. But if he did hey the boy is talented in many ways. --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Say whatever you want, but I know that Will Smith > could solve the cube > in 2 minutes flat while talking trash about you. He > certainly did that > while beating down the arrogant extras who thought > they were hot stuff. > > Some people are just naturally talented at things. > Some people pick up > things better than others. Some people struggle > very hard at certain > things. It's how the world works. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > him??? Not many > > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson > (at least thats what > > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > names... > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not > you. Do > >> you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > >> rapper. > >> If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > think > >> you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer > like > >> Usher? > >> > >> --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > two. > >>> I learned very > >>> quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > only > >>> hints, and could > >>> solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, > I > >>> had plenty of time > >>> as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > >>> > >>> Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda > like > >>> having a top > >>> trainer, isn't it? > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > DT > >>> <thunderpants16@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > learn > >>> it > >>>> couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch > for > >>> the > >>>> fresh prince but to do it after you've just > >>> learned it > >>>> in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > not > >>> dumb > >>>> but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > >>>> curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > >>>> Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really > went > >>>> down. > >>>> > >>>> --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > >>> teach > >>>>> him the very > >>>>> basics. He had some trouble remembering the > last > >>>>> layer algorithms. His > >>>>> fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was > able > >>> to > >>>>> understand the > >>>>> concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > >>> dude. > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > >>> DT > >>>>> <thunderpants16@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How many hours did it take you to teach Will > >>> Smith > >>>>> to > >>>>>> solve the cube on his own without asking for > >>> help? > >>>>>> What was his fastest time? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tyson Mao > >>>>>>> Astrophysics '06 > >>>>>>> California Institute of Technology > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > >>> love > >>>>> to run. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>>>> protection around > >>>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > love > >>> to run. > >>>> > >>>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> protection around > >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

hmm... i taught my friend f2l in 15 minutes. he could solve f2l in 2 minutes after that the same day. it's not unheard of. On 3/7/06, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > 2 mins I believe it, anyone can after couple days or a > week with practice. The part I did not fully accept > was he did it on the same day or next day after he was > trained. > But if he did hey the boy is talented in many ways. > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > Say whatever you want, but I know that Will Smith > > could solve the cube > > in 2 minutes flat while talking trash about you. He > > certainly did that > > while beating down the arrogant extras who thought > > they were hot stuff. > > > > Some people are just naturally talented at things. > > Some people pick up > > things better than others. Some people struggle > > very hard at certain > > things. It's how the world works. > > > > Tyson Mao > > Astrophysics '06 > > California Institute of Technology > > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > > > > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > > > > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > > > > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > > him??? Not many > > > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson > > (at least thats what > > > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > > > > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > > names... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > <thunderpants16@...> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not > > you. Do > > >> you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > > >> rapper. > > >> If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > > think > > >> you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer > > like > > >> Usher? > > >> > > >> --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > > two. > > >>> I learned very > > >>> quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > > only > > >>> hints, and could > > >>> solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, > > I > > >>> had plenty of time > > >>> as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > >>> > > >>> Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda > > like > > >>> having a top > > >>> trainer, isn't it? > > >>> > > >>> Chris > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > DT > > >>> <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > > learn > > >>> it > > >>>> couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch > > for > > >>> the > > >>>> fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > >>> learned it > > >>>> in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > > not > > >>> dumb > > >>>> but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > >>>> curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > >>>> Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really > > went > > >>>> down. > > >>>> > > >>>> --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > > >>> teach > > >>>>> him the very > > >>>>> basics. He had some trouble remembering the > > last > > >>>>> layer algorithms. His > > >>>>> fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was > > able > > >>> to > > >>>>> understand the > > >>>>> concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > > >>> dude. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > >>> DT > > >>>>> <thunderpants16@> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> How many hours did it take you to teach Will > > >>> Smith > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>> solve the cube on his own without asking for > > >>> help? > > >>>>>> What was his fastest time? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Tyson Mao > > >>>>>>> Astrophysics '06 > > >>>>>>> California Institute of Technology > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > > >>> love > > >>>>> to run. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>> > > __________________________________________________ > > >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > > >>>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Crap. Did I reply that one to the group? It was a long night... -Mike On 3/7/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > You'll notice on the bottom of the form it says to *email* the > completed form to me. You didn't complete the form or email it to me. > Please follow directions :) > > -Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yep. I taught my girlfriend the cube a long time ago -- a "vanilla- layer method" I think it's called for beginning solvers. Took her maybe 25 minutes to fully catch on and be able to solve it consistently. Smart cookie, she is :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > hmm... > > i taught my friend f2l in 15 minutes. he could solve f2l in 2 minutes > after that the same day. > > it's not unheard of. > > On 3/7/06, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > 2 mins I believe it, anyone can after couple days or a > > week with practice. The part I did not fully accept > > was he did it on the same day or next day after he was > > trained. > > But if he did hey the boy is talented in many ways. > > > > > > --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > > > > > Say whatever you want, but I know that Will Smith > > > could solve the cube > > > in 2 minutes flat while talking trash about you. He > > > certainly did that > > > while beating down the arrogant extras who thought > > > they were hot stuff. > > > > > > Some people are just naturally talented at things. > > > Some people pick up > > > things better than others. Some people struggle > > > very hard at certain > > > things. It's how the world works. > > > > > > Tyson Mao > > > Astrophysics '06 > > > California Institute of Technology > > > > > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > > > > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > > > > > > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > > > > > > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > > > > > > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > > > him??? Not many > > > > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson > > > (at least thats what > > > > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > > > > > > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > > > names... > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > > > <thunderpants16@> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not > > > you. Do > > > >> you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > > > >> rapper. > > > >> If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > > > think > > > >> you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer > > > like > > > >> Usher? > > > >> > > > >> --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > > > two. > > > >>> I learned very > > > >>> quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > > > only > > > >>> hints, and could > > > >>> solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, > > > I > > > >>> had plenty of time > > > >>> as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > > > >>> > > > >>> Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda > > > like > > > >>> having a top > > > >>> trainer, isn't it? > > > >>> > > > >>> Chris > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > DT > > > >>> <thunderpants16@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > > > learn > > > >>> it > > > >>>> couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch > > > for > > > >>> the > > > >>>> fresh prince but to do it after you've just > > > >>> learned it > > > >>>> in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > > > not > > > >>> dumb > > > >>>> but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > > > >>>> curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > > > >>>> Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really > > > went > > > >>>> down. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > > > >>> teach > > > >>>>> him the very > > > >>>>> basics. He had some trouble remembering the > > > last > > > >>>>> layer algorithms. His > > > >>>>> fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was > > > able > > > >>> to > > > >>>>> understand the > > > >>>>> concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > > > >>> dude. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > > >>> DT > > > >>>>> <thunderpants16@> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> How many hours did it take you to teach Will > > > >>> Smith > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>> solve the cube on his own without asking for > > > >>> help? > > > >>>>>> What was his fastest time? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Tyson Mao > > > >>>>>>> Astrophysics '06 > > > >>>>>>> California Institute of Technology > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > > > >>> love > > > >>>>> to run. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> > > > __________________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > > > >>>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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My girlfriend learned to solve the complete cube in under 90 minutes. After a day of practice, she could solve it under 2 minutes. After two weeks, she was under 1 minute. -Mike On 3/7/06, kyuubree <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Yep. I taught my girlfriend the cube a long time ago -- a "vanilla- > layer method" I think it's called for beginning solvers. Took her > maybe 25 minutes to fully catch on and be able to solve it > consistently. Smart cookie, she is :D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Lord, Please forgive me for I have sinned and trespassed against the ways of the cube community for I have not known of my crime. --- Tyson Mao <tmao@...> wrote: > Say whatever you want, but I know that Will Smith > could solve the cube > in 2 minutes flat while talking trash about you. He > certainly did that > while beating down the arrogant extras who thought > they were hot stuff. > > Some people are just naturally talented at things. > Some people pick up > things better than others. Some people struggle > very hard at certain > things. It's how the world works. > > Tyson Mao > Astrophysics '06 > California Institute of Technology > > On Mar 7, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > Did you not read the other posts??? > > > > A) Toby taught Will, not Tyson > > > > B) Will got accepted to MIT, so hes not stupid... > > > > C) Why are you calling Chris a geek??? do you know > him??? Not many > > cubers are full on geeks, except of course Tyson > (at least thats what > > the officials say) But i don't think he is... > > > > Read posts, before posting, and don't call ppl > names... > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT > <thunderpants16@...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Now-now, we were talking about Will Smith not > you. Do > >> you think that's a fair comparsion? a geek and a > >> rapper. > >> If Will taught you how to rap or dance, do you > think > >> you learn it as fast as another rapper/dancer > like > >> Usher? > >> > >> --- christopher_pelley <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Not if the lessons were separated by a day or > two. > >>> I learned very > >>> quickly with only a crude set of notes as my > only > >>> hints, and could > >>> solve in 3 minutes in almost no time. Granted, > I > >>> had plenty of time > >>> as a schoolkid on summer vacation. > >>> > >>> Plus, he had Tyson as a teacher... that's kinda > like > >>> having a top > >>> trainer, isn't it? > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > DT > >>> <thunderpants16@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Sorry no way Im not buying this one. Ok to > learn > >>> it > >>>> couple lessons whatever even that is a stretch > for > >>> the > >>>> fresh prince but to do it after you've just > >>> learned it > >>>> in 2-3 min is tall fish tale. I know Will is > not > >>> dumb > >>>> but I find it hard to believe. Reason why I was > >>>> curious is Im the same age as Will + - a month. > >>>> Guess I'll have to ask him myself what really > went > >>>> down. > >>>> > >>>> --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> It took me about 2 lessons, 3 hours total to > >>> teach > >>>>> him the very > >>>>> basics. He had some trouble remembering the > last > >>>>> layer algorithms. His > >>>>> fastest time was around 2-3 Minutes. He was > able > >>> to > >>>>> understand the > >>>>> concept of the cube very quickly. He's a smart > >>> dude. > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > >>> DT > >>>>> <thunderpants16@> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How many hours did it take you to teach Will > >>> Smith > >>>>> to > >>>>>> solve the cube on his own without asking for > >>> help? > >>>>>> What was his fastest time? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- Tyson Mao <tmao@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://www.justmyshow.com/Current_Show.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tyson Mao > >>>>>>> Astrophysics '06 > >>>>>>> California Institute of Technology > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > >>> love > >>>>> to run. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>>>> protection around > >>>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Winners forget they're in a race, they just > love > >>> to run. > >>>> > >>>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > >>> protection around > >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Winners forget they're in a race, they just love > to run. > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Here's how I remember it. Toby and I taught him on day 1. On the second day, Toby couldn't make it, so it was only me. Both days for an hour or so. At the end he could solve the whole cube, with help of some notes. I never made it back after that, but I think I heard that a while later he needed a little final refresher on the last layer. And after that he was rock solid. I presume because he practiced by himself. I've taught a lot of people to cube, and very few learn faster than Will. And if you think about it, the job of an actor is in large part to memorize a lot of dialog and other skills, so it's not all that unexpected that he'd be good at it.. /Lars On Mar 7, 2006, at 18:37, christopher_pelley wrote: > I thought both Tyson and Toby taught him (that's what the podcast > said). As for my own geekiness... I do own a slide rule-- does that > count? > > :) > > Chris

Hey thunderpants? Who are you? When did I say that he solved it 2-3 mins on the same day? I didn't. Honestly, don't start a flame war until you've read all the posts throughly. Either that or work on your reading comprehension. I taught him, i should know how fast he solves.

Ok fair enough. But should you know that according to Lars he spent the 2nd day with Will which you did not mention in your original post which made it seem like Will learned it one day after you trained him. Did you forget that or was not aware of it. --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > Hey thunderpants? Who are you? When did I say that > he solved > it 2-3 mins on the same day? I didn't. Honestly, > don't start a flame > war until you've read all the posts throughly. > Either that or work on > your reading comprehension. I taught him, i should > know how fast he > solves. > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Well I finally got curious enough to take apart one of my "M1005B" cubes from Restoration Hardware. (I had never taken it apart because it turned so smoothly out of the box). As I suspected, they use the same parts that are included in the new 2006 DIY kits (but presumably with rivets, not screws). Basically this means they have the new corner caps (with gap) which results in even turning on all three internal faces of each corner. I've seen at least one M1005B cube in Hasbro packaging as well, so the new parts are beginning to make their way into retail. I applaud Seven Towns for their continuous improvement of the cube mechanism these past couple years. Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > fun! > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > -Richard Patterson > richy_jr_2000@... > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have.

Can you consider him a cuber? I know he invented the thing, but did he actually solve? That's also like asking the question 'Who is the most influential author that you have read?' and then saying that it must be the inventor of the printing press because without him there would be no books! :) -Chris On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> > wrote: > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > fun! > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@... > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

I'd have to find it but I remember reading somewhere that his first cube was made of wood and took him a month to solve. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > Can you consider him a cuber? I know he invented the thing, but did he > actually solve? > > That's also like asking the question 'Who is the most influential > author that you have read?' and then saying that it must be the > inventor of the printing press because without him there would be no > books! :) > > -Chris > > On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > Can you consider him a cuber? I know he invented the thing, but did he > actually solve? > He could/can solve. > That's also like asking the question 'Who is the most influential > author that you have read?' and then saying that it must be the > inventor of the printing press because without him there would be no > books! :) > > -Chris > There were books before the printing press. > On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

yea, he could solve it. he did a corner's first method. and it was made out of wood. only reason i know it is because i did a research project on it two years ago. but... he never was a speedcuber...:-/ On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > > > Can you consider him a cuber? I know he invented the thing, but did he > > actually solve? > > > > He could/can solve. > > > That's also like asking the question 'Who is the most influential > > author that you have read?' and then saying that it must be the > > inventor of the printing press because without him there would be no > > books! :) > > > > -Chris > > > > There were books before the printing press. > > > On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Hi :-) If the question is the most influential cuber i would vote Stefan Pochmann. Because he is into so many different puzzles and he is so good at them. And he has contributed lots with new methods and so on. If it's more a matter of the most influential person in the cubing community i would vote for Ron. All his dedicated work. If it weren't for him we would never hav gotten this far. Lots of competitions and so on :-) About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) Have fun guys! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > Can you consider him a cuber? I know he invented the thing, but did he > actually solve? > > That's also like asking the question 'Who is the most influential > author that you have read?' and then saying that it must be the > inventor of the printing press because without him there would be no > books! :) > > -Chris > > On 3/8/06, GameOfDeath2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Of course I was aware. He spent 2 hours with me, and around 1 hour with Lars. What's your point? 3 hours total. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, DT <thunderpants16@...> wrote: > > Ok fair enough. But should you know that according to > Lars he spent the 2nd day with Will which you did not > mention in your original post which made it seem like > Will learned it one day after you trained him. Did you > forget that or was not aware of it. > > --- goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > > Hey thunderpants? Who are you? When did I say that > > he solved > > it 2-3 mins on the same day? I didn't. Honestly, > > don't start a flame > > war until you've read all the posts throughly. > > Either that or work on > > your reading comprehension. I taught him, i should > > know how fast he > > solves. > > > > > > > > > > > Winners forget they're in a race, they just love to run. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >

I'm puzzled as to why Tyson's name did not make it on the list. He was the first to organize a competition after 2003, and I would say that Caltech Winter 2004 set the standard for all local competitions as we know today. Without someone like him, we may have had to wait till 2009 for the next competition! I can say with confidence that I would have been _nothing_ without his tremendous efforts in organizing the Caltech competitions. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > If the question is the most influential cuber i would vote Stefan > Pochmann. Because he is into so many different puzzles and he is so > good at them. And he has contributed lots with new methods and so > on. If it's more a matter of the most influential person in the > cubing community i would vote for Ron. All his dedicated work. If it > weren't for him we would never hav gotten this far. Lots of > competitions and so on :-) > > About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to > solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing > cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) > > Have fun guys! > > -Per >

Hi Per, > About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to > solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing > cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) > > Have fun guys! > > -Per You're right, not much. One thought I amuse myself with is that I took part in filling California with lots of blindfold cubers. =) Macky

yea, why isn't tyson's name there? the cube definitely wouldn't be as big as it is without him. though i guess for me, chris hardwick is most influential. after all, i didn't even know speedcubing was a sport till i saw his video. On 3/8/06, mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > Hi Per, > > > About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to > > solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing > > cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) > > > > Have fun guys! > > > > -Per > > You're right, not much. One thought I amuse myself with is that I took > part in filling California with lots of blindfold cubers. =) > > Macky > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

For me, Chris Hardwick and Dan Knights. Dan Knight's speedcubing video was the first Rubik's Cube video I ever saw and it amazed me... I used his site to learn quite a bit. Chris has also given a lot of great tips and tricks over time and I can definitely say these two have done a lot in my eyes. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > yea, why isn't tyson's name there? the cube definitely wouldn't be as > big as it is without him. > > though i guess for me, chris hardwick is most influential. after all, > i didn't even know speedcubing was a sport till i saw his video. > > On 3/8/06, mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi Per, > > > > > About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to > > > solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing > > > cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) > > > > > > Have fun guys! > > > > > > -Per > > > > You're right, not much. One thought I amuse myself with is that I took > > part in filling California with lots of blindfold cubers. =) > > > > Macky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -cubekid >

Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the nomination correct, 75% wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> > wrote: > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > fun! > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@... > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Where can I find the best solution to slove the megaminx? Can anyone help? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joël van Noort To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Megaminx Last Layer Hi Erik, This is exactly the method I currently use... Do you have problems with permuting the corners, or just permuting the edges without destroying other things (like corner orientation)? Well.. I guess we should meet on MSN. - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I'm new to megaminx, my best time yet is 6:22.12, my biggest problem > is the last layer. I'm mostly at around 5 min. when I have to solve > last layer, using avg. more than 1:30 for last layer is very much... I > use: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' things), Permutate Edges, Orient Corners > (with > B R'B'R things), permutate Corners. I want to: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' > things), Orient Corners (Sune Like things), Permutate Edges, Permutate > Corners. The problem is that I don't know how to do the Permutation > part, I know it can be done by commutators, but I'm not good at them > and most commutators are too long. Where can I get the Permutation algs? > > Erik Akkersdijk > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Peter, Long time no hear!!! You can solve almost the whole thing as a 3x3. http://www.grant.tregay.net/cube/solutions/megaminx/index.html Grant Tregay's site has some good stuff for the LL. Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Douthwright" <pdouthwright0513@...> wrote: > > Where can I find the best solution to slove the megaminx? Can anyone help? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joël van Noort > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:42 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Megaminx Last Layer > > > Hi Erik, > > This is exactly the method I currently use... Do you have problems > with permuting the corners, or just permuting the edges without > destroying other things (like corner orientation)? > > Well.. I guess we should meet on MSN. > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" > <megafrikkie@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I'm new to megaminx, my best time yet is 6:22.12, my biggest > problem > > is the last layer. I'm mostly at around 5 min. when I have to solve > > last layer, using avg. more than 1:30 for last layer is very > much... I > > use: Orient Edges (FURU'R'F' things), Permutate Edges, Orient > Corners > > (with > > B R'B'R things), permutate Corners. I want to: Orient Edges > (FURU'R'F' > > things), Orient Corners (Sune Like things), Permutate Edges, > Permutate > > Corners. The problem is that I don't know how to do the Permutation > > part, I know it can be done by commutators, but I'm not good at > them > > and most commutators are too long. Where can I get the Permutation > algs? > > > > Erik Akkersdijk > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle > Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > speedsolvingrubikscube-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > yea, he could solve it. he did a corner's first method. and it was > made out of wood. > > only reason i know it is because i did a research project on it two years ago. > > but... he never was a speedcuber...:-/ What do you mean? Rubik was the fastest cuber on the planet for a while ! Cheers! Stefan

Ha ha! True. And the reason he used corners-first, is because he actually built a 2x2x2 prototype first. So apparently that one was solved first. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > What do you mean? > Rubik was the fastest cuber on the planet for a while ! > > Cheers! > Stefan >

There are some different definitions of a speedcuber, but I don´t think any of them would classify Rubik as such one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" > <cubekid@...> wrote: > > > > yea, he could solve it. he did a corner's first method. and it was > > made out of wood. > > > > only reason i know it is because i did a research project on it two > years ago. > > > > but... he never was a speedcuber...:-/ > > > What do you mean? > Rubik was the fastest cuber on the planet for a while ! > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is used by the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used at all, what would the world record be today? -mike --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > fun! > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > -Richard Patterson > richy_jr_2000@... >

Better, maybe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "skeneegee" <skeneegee@hotmail.com> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is used by > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used at > all, what would the world record be today? > > -mike > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > fun! > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@... > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Hej Rune! Maybe you already know this! Everybody here was invited to nominate "their" most influential cuber, so I think most of the community have their nominee in the poll, and therefore think the nomination is OK. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the nomination correct, 75% wrong. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Up till now there are 86 votes. Most of the community? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:55 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber Hej Rune! Maybe you already know this! Everybody here was invited to nominate "their" most influential cuber, so I think most of the community have their nominee in the poll, and therefore think the nomination is OK. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the nomination correct, 75% wrong. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most influential cuber? After all if he > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

I cannot stop my 4x4 cube from getting too loose. If I tighten all of the screws as tight as possible, it gets a bit better... however, after a little bit of usage, the cube becomes ridiculously loose and is very unpleasant to use.. it seems like it's practically falling apart. My cube is only a few weeks old. Is this normal? It's incredibly irritating. What can I do? David

Hi :-) The record would be pretty much the same. People would use another fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as fast :D The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be learnt in steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. And from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) Have fun! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" <skeneegee@...> wrote: > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is used by > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used at > all, what would the world record be today? > > -mike > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > > fun! > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > -Richard Patterson > > richy_jr_2000@ > > >

Ugh, I hate to be the Devil's Advocate but: I'm just gunna say 1 cent, if i give you my 2 cents or more, this could turn into more... The method most people use is CFOP...sure, its called Fridrich by most, but she...didn't completely invent it, she just made it well known. Other people found this same method. Don't shoot me...The devil sent me... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > The record would be pretty much the same. People would use another > fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as fast :D > > The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be learnt in > steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. And > from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So > there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) > > Have fun! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is > used by > > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used > at > > all, what would the world record be today? > > > > -mike > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. > Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > >

> Don't shoot me...The devil sent me... What kind of reasoning is this? The devil sent you, so you can be trusted? I say: shoot to kill!

> Can you tell what's incorrect about them? > > Cheers! > Stefan > firstly let me state i am not a cuber unfortunately due to my physical disability i was never able to get on with the standard cube i am however completing a degree in software engineering and thought that this would be an interesting problem to look at for my final project. the main problem i have with many of the simulations i've found for comparison centres around the middle row and orientation issues many of the simulations found including some examples in the files section of the croup allow the middle rows of the 3x3x3 cube to move independently like the outer rows. These moves would seem to be physically impssible on an actual cube. the only way you could simulate a move on the middle rows is to rotate the two outer faces and alter the orientation of the cube. implying that each middle row move would actually have to be counted as two moves rather than one. and would only be correct at all if the cube was viewed from one fixed position. the fact that in many cases in these simulations you can perform a move on the centre lines and aulter the orientation view of the cube would seem from a new user perspective to be incorrect am i thinking along the right lines, can tou think of some other reason for implementing this functionality Many thanks kelvin

yup. kill the messenger. lol. jk On 3/9/06, Michiel van der Blonk <blonkm@...> wrote: > > Don't shoot me...The devil sent me... > What kind of reasoning is this? The devil sent you, so you can be > trusted? I say: shoot to kill! > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

Hi folks, I'm doing some spring cleaning and I came across about a million Horace Mann Tournament DVDs that I still have. If you want one, send five bucks to cover the cost of an envelope and postage. Any that are still left in my basement at the end of the month are getting used for target practice. Details from the DVD (and my mailing address) are at: http://home.manhattan.edu/~ian.winokur/DVD/dvd.html Watch as Tyson pops during his first ever official BLD solve before he became a beast! Ian

http://www.amiright.com/parody/60s/marypoppins10.shtml Hmm, maybe I better stop cubing...just kidding :) Peter Greenwood

On a real cube, hold two sides, then push a middle 'slice' with your finger to achieve this effect. It's not only possible, it's very fast. -Mike On 3/9/06, Kelvin Cracknell <kelvin@...> wrote: > > > many of the simulations found including some examples in the files > section of the croup allow the middle rows of the 3x3x3 cube to move > independently like the outer rows. These moves would seem to be > physically impssible on an actual cube. the only way you could > simulate a move on the middle rows is to rotate the two outer faces > and alter the orientation of the cube. implying that each middle row > move would actually have to be counted as two moves rather than one. > and would only be correct at all if the cube was viewed from one > fixed position. > > Many thanks kelvin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, I merely counted the votes to decide the top 5 finalists for the poll. This poll is more for fun than anything else. I will eventually release the comments that were included in all nominations and honorable mentions. These comments will of course be on an anoymous basis. There are a few ways to look at this phrase: "most influential cuber". Indeed there are those who have contributed great things to the community! On the other hand, a relatively unknown cuber can be an influence on a more direct and personal basis. This is an amazing idea, that we do not need to be the world's best to touch the life of another cuber and inspire excellence within him or her. We all have this grand ability within us to influence others; just remember that and smile :) Jindagi acchi hai! -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" <cubekid@...> wrote: > > yea, why isn't tyson's name there? the cube definitely wouldn't be as > big as it is without him. > > though i guess for me, chris hardwick is most influential. after all, > i didn't even know speedcubing was a sport till i saw his video. > > On 3/8/06, mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi Per, > > > > > About Macky. What is his contributions apart from being able to > > > solve fast? Not much that i know ... But of course he is an amazing > > > cuber. Im not gonna take that away ... :-) > > > > > > Have fun guys! > > > > > > -Per > > > > You're right, not much. One thought I amuse myself with is that I took > > part in filling California with lots of blindfold cubers. =) > > > > Macky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -cubekid >

Rune, I did not receive an email from you voting for someone, but you care enough to post challenging a relatively harmless poll? Perhaps the most influential cuber in your eyes -- is you :P Surely this effort can be used for more productive things. Happy Cubing, -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Up till now there are 86 votes. Most of the community? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:55 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > Hej Rune! > > Maybe you already know this! Everybody here was invited to > nominate "their" most influential cuber, so I think most of the > community have their nominee in the poll, and therefore think the > nomination is OK. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the > nomination correct, 75% wrong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > <richy_jr_2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > for Most > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing > this. Have > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most > influential cuber? After all if he > > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > On a real cube, hold two sides, then push a middle 'slice' with your finger > to achieve this effect. It's not only possible, it's very fast. > i can see that... but as the cube has a fixed centre you are still effectivly rotating the two sides and orienting the cube. the method you discribed may be fast but you are still effectivly performing two moves at once... two face rotations and an orientation the fact that you are holding the two side faces. fixes the orientation angle to one location im sorry if im babbling but this is a interesting point.

I don´t know very much in life and of course I didn´t know that I had to send you an email to vote. I simply cast my vote there, where five names are shown. I just now checked, If I had voted (skleros, you know), by voting once more and got the answer: "you cannot vote repeatly". So what did I wrong? Should I have sent you an email with a detailed argumentation why voting on mr Z? The most influential cuber? Long ago I taught a girl to assamble the cube. In Her eyes *I* am the most influential cuber in the world. (Like the boy here, who voted on mr X, "for he learnt cubing from his video". If "the most influential cuber" is chosen after such argumentations, the poll is not only "harmless" but even funny and as such, has the right to be laughed at). R ----- Original Message ----- From: "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:23 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber Rune, I did not receive an email from you voting for someone, but you care enough to post challenging a relatively harmless poll? Perhaps the most influential cuber in your eyes -- is you :P Surely this effort can be used for more productive things. Happy Cubing, -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Up till now there are 86 votes. Most of the community? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:55 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > Hej Rune! > > Maybe you already know this! Everybody here was invited to > nominate "their" most influential cuber, so I think most of the > community have their nominee in the poll, and therefore think the > nomination is OK. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the > nomination correct, 75% wrong. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > <richy_jr_2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > for Most > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing > this. Have > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most > influential cuber? After all if he > > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > Yahoo! Groups Links

Do you accept paypal? :) ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@...> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I'm doing some spring cleaning and I came across about a million > Horace Mann Tournament DVDs that I still have. If you want one, send > five bucks to cover the cost of an envelope and postage. Any that are > still left in my basement at the end of the month are getting used for > target practice. > > Details from the DVD (and my mailing address) are at: > > http://home.manhattan.edu/~ian.winokur/DVD/dvd.html > > Watch as Tyson pops during his first ever official BLD solve before he > became a beast! > > Ian >

Hej Per, You seem to be the only cuber in Norway now. What do you think, Per, cubing is in general too complicated for a Norwegian? Rune ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > Hi :-) > > The record would be pretty much the same. People would use another > fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as fast :D > > The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be learnt in > steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. And > from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So > there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) > > Have fun! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > <skeneegee@...> wrote: > > > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is > used by > > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used > at > > all, what would the world record be today? > > > > -mike > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > for Most > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. > Have > > > fun! > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > I don´t know very much in life and of course I didn´t know that I >had to send you an email to vote. I simply cast my vote there, where >five names are shown. I just now checked, If I had voted (skleros, >you know), by voting once more and got the answer: "you cannot vote >repeatly". So what did I wrong? Should I have sent you an email with >a detailed argumentation why voting on mr Z? I have no idea what you're trying to ask here; sorry :) I have professionals decoding the message right now however. > The most influential cuber? Long ago I taught a girl to assamble >the cube. In Her eyes *I* am the most influential cuber in the world. That is excellent! >(Like the boy here, who voted on mr X, "for he learnt cubing from >his video". If "the most influential cuber" is chosen after such >argumentations, the poll is not only "harmless" but even funny and >as such, has the right to be laughed at). You have just conceded that this poll is indeed harmless. Very good! Then why the fixation on it? As far as the laughter goes; your antics alone provide comic relief you sly dog! -Richard > R > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 9:23 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > Rune, > > I did not receive an email from you voting for someone, but you care > enough to post challenging a relatively harmless poll? Perhaps the > most influential cuber in your eyes -- is you :P > > Surely this effort can be used for more productive things. > > Happy Cubing, > > -Richard > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > Up till now there are 86 votes. Most of the community? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:55 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > > > Hej Rune! > > > > Maybe you already know this! Everybody here was invited to > > nominate "their" most influential cuber, so I think most of the > > community have their nominee in the poll, and therefore think the > > nomination is OK. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > > > Why such a poll? The only result is that 25% will find the > > nomination correct, 75% wrong. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "GameOfDeath2" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:37 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > <richy_jr_2000@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > > for Most > > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing > > this. Have > > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just out of curiosity - wouldn't Erno Rubik be the most > > influential cuber? After all if he > > > > hadn't cubed arguably nobody else on this group would have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Stefan, Wasn't he the worst cuber on the planet for a while too? :P -Richard --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" > <cubekid@> wrote: > > > > yea, he could solve it. he did a corner's first method. and it was > > made out of wood. > > > > only reason i know it is because i did a research project on it two > years ago. > > > > but... he never was a speedcuber...:-/ > > > What do you mean? > Rubik was the fastest cuber on the planet for a while ! > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > Jindagi acchi hai! Bless you. Mike

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > I don´t know very much in life and of course I didn´t know that I had to send you an email to vote. I simply cast my vote there, where five names are shown. I just now checked, If I had voted (skleros, you know), by voting once more and got the answer: "you cannot vote repeatly". Richard had asked here about 2 months ago to send him emails voting for your top 1-2 cubers, *that* poll was meant, not the current one which is a result from the first. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kelvin Cracknell" <kelvin@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikeisadumbname@> wrote: > > > > On a real cube, hold two sides, then push a middle 'slice' with your > finger > > to achieve this effect. It's not only possible, it's very fast. > > > > i can see that... but as the cube has a fixed centre you are still > effectivly rotating the two sides and orienting the cube. Maybe that's what *you* are effectively doing, but certainly Mike and I (and many others) are really doing the middle slice turn, nothing else. Btw, if you don't like that in the simulations, maybe don't use it? Cheers! Stefan

Don't forget about Eivind Fonn ;). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Hej Per, > You seem to be the only cuber in Norway now. What do you think, Per, cubing is in general too complicated for a Norwegian? > Rune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:41 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > Hi :-) > > > > The record would be pretty much the same. People would use another > > fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as fast :D > > > > The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be learnt in > > steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. And > > from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So > > there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) > > > > Have fun! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is > > used by > > > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used > > at > > > all, what would the world record be today? > > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > > for Most > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. > > Have > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 09:43:37AM -0000, Kelvin Cracknell wrote: > the method you discribed may be fast but you are still effectivly > performing two moves at once... two face rotations and an orientation Right, Rubik's cube allows for simultaneous movements along parallel planes. On a 20x20x20 cube, we could theoretically perform 19 movements simultaneously (if we had enough hands/fingers) since there are 19 parallel "cut planes" along any axis. 19 simultaneous movements could be performed in the same time as 1 simple move, but would also require exerting 19 times more force. We do not normally think of a cube rotation (orientation as you call it) as a move. One explanation is that it involves zero cut planes. The move you describe can be described as two simultaneous movements without any need for a cube rotation, i.e. r' for the first cut plane, and R for the second cut plane, performed simultaneously. I wouldn't say that methods involving such movements are "incorrectly modelled", however. It is very practical in the description of those methods to describe such movements as single moves rather than two simultaneous moves. Edges last methods tend to keep corners fixed, and move the edges around independently through the middle slices (using "slice" moves). The other kinds of simultaneous movements that are possible on a Rubik's cube (e.g. "anti-slice" moves) are not so common, and I don't know of any standard metric that counts them as one move (even though they are often just as easy to perform as other kinds of simultaneous movement, e.g. r2'R as a simultaneous movement). Ryan

Yes, I had expected that it must be at least too! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber Don't forget about Eivind Fonn ;). --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Hej Per, > You seem to be the only cuber in Norway now. What do you think, Per, cubing is in general too complicated for a Norwegian? > Rune > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:41 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > Hi :-) > > > > The record would be pretty much the same. People would use another > > fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as fast :D > > > > The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be learnt in > > steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. And > > from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So > > there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) > > > > Have fun! > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is > > used by > > > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't used > > at > > > all, what would the world record be today? > > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll > > for Most > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. > > Have > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links

In terms of complexity, middle slice moves on a 3x3 cube change 4 edges and 4 center pieces, or 12 stickers. Rotating a single face on a cube rotates at least 4 edges and 4 corner pieces (and a center in position), or 20 stickers, and a center. Following your logic, a double layer turn would count as two moves. That hardly seems correct. -Mike On 3/10/06, Kelvin Cracknell <kelvin@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Bennett" > <mikeisadumbname@...> wrote: > > > > On a real cube, hold two sides, then push a middle 'slice' with your > finger > > to achieve this effect. It's not only possible, it's very fast. > > > > i can see that... but as the cube has a fixed centre you are still > effectivly rotating the two sides and orienting the cube. > > the method you discribed may be fast but you are still effectivly > performing two moves at once... two face rotations and an orientation > > the fact that you are holding the two side faces. fixes the orientation > angle to one location > > im sorry if im babbling but this is a interesting point. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you! You have the ability - and habit - to disentangle mysteries for a second person (which in fact exist for a third). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:53 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune. wesstrom@...> wrote: > > I don´t know very much in life and of course I didn´t know that I had to send you an email to vote. I simply cast my vote there, where five names are shown. I just now checked, If I had voted (skleros, you know), by voting once more and got the answer: "you cannot vote repeatly". Richard had asked here about 2 months ago to send him emails voting for your top 1-2 cubers, *that* poll was meant, not the current one which is a result from the first. Cheers! Stefan Yahoo! Groups Links

okay, im really confused as to why this conversation is even going on. it just seems as if people are bickering over absolutely nothing. just give it up. it's not that big of a deal. On 3/10/06, richy_jr_2000 <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > Stefan, > > Wasn't he the worst cuber on the planet for a while too? :P > > -Richard > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Sapan Upadhyay" > > <cubekid@> wrote: > > > > > > yea, he could solve it. he did a corner's first method. and it was > > > made out of wood. > > > > > > only reason i know it is because i did a research project on it > two > > years ago. > > > > > > but... he never was a speedcuber...:-/ > > > > > > What do you mean? > > Rubik was the fastest cuber on the planet for a while ! > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid

On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 05:22:30AM -0600, Mike Bennett wrote: > In terms of complexity, middle slice moves on a 3x3 cube change 4 edges and > 4 center pieces, or 12 stickers. Rotating a single face on a cube rotates > at least 4 edges and 4 corner pieces (and a center in position), or 20 > stickers, and a center. His observation wasn't about complexity, though. It was about physics. In terms of complexity, a slice move is less complex than a face move because it leaves corners (collectively, the most complex pieces) untouched. In terms of physics, a slice move is more involved than a face move because it involves movements along two cut planes instead of one. Ryan

I accept paypal payments at ian.winokur@... Ian --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > Do you accept paypal? > > :) > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm doing some spring cleaning and I came across about a million > > Horace Mann Tournament DVDs that I still have. If you want one, send > > five bucks to cover the cost of an envelope and postage. Any that are > > still left in my basement at the end of the month are getting used for > > target practice. > > > > Details from the DVD (and my mailing address) are at: > > > > http://home.manhattan.edu/~ian.winokur/DVD/dvd.html > > > > Watch as Tyson pops during his first ever official BLD solve before he > > became a beast! > > > > Ian > > >

Ian, Do you not use Yahoo anymore??? I haven't seen you online in ages. Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@...> wrote: > > I accept paypal payments at ian.winokur@... > > Ian > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" > <snkenjoi@> wrote: > > > > Do you accept paypal? > > > > :) > > > > ~Thom > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ian" <iwinoky@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I'm doing some spring cleaning and I came across about a million > > > Horace Mann Tournament DVDs that I still have. If you want one, send > > > five bucks to cover the cost of an envelope and postage. Any that are > > > still left in my basement at the end of the month are getting used for > > > target practice. > > > > > > Details from the DVD (and my mailing address) are at: > > > > > > http://home.manhattan.edu/~ian.winokur/DVD/dvd.html > > > > > > Watch as Tyson pops during his first ever official BLD solve before he > > > became a beast! > > > > > > Ian > > > > > >

Hey Stefan, I thought you would be the one to ask about this. With your method, when are corners considered lucky, and when are edges considered lucky. Of course you can't use the standard on speedcubing.com becuase it is for a 4 step solving. I just did a 2:33.10 (started using your method on sunday, PS, it rocks) and I solved 7 corners and 7 edges...Could you please let me know. Thanks in advance, Craig

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Hey Stefan, > > I thought you would be the one to ask about this. With your method, > when are corners considered lucky, and when are edges considered > lucky. Of course you can't use the standard on speedcubing.com > becuase it is for a 4 step solving. I just did a 2:33.10 (started > using your method on sunday, PS, it rocks) and I solved 7 corners and > 7 edges...Could you please let me know. > > Thanks in advance, > Craig Does that include time for memorization? Even with only 7 edges that would be very impressive for that short amount of practice... I'd say with this method a piece is only lucky if it's solved, i.e. at the correct place with the correct orientation. How many are allowed to be solved to still call it non-lucky? I don't know :-). To be honest, I don't (yet) care much about this because I'm not (yet) fast enough for it to matter. If I'm under 1:30 and I'd claim one of the top spots, then I'll think about what's lucky :-) Cheers! Stefan

Well any chance you can enlighten me??? Because yes, that time does include memorisation. I have done a lot of times just over 3 minutes, and I think 3 sub-3s. My meorisation is good...i think... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > Hey Stefan, > > > > I thought you would be the one to ask about this. With your method, > > when are corners considered lucky, and when are edges considered > > lucky. Of course you can't use the standard on speedcubing.com > > becuase it is for a 4 step solving. I just did a 2:33.10 (started > > using your method on sunday, PS, it rocks) and I solved 7 corners > and > > 7 edges...Could you please let me know. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Craig > > Does that include time for memorization? Even with only 7 edges that > would be very impressive for that short amount of practice... > > I'd say with this method a piece is only lucky if it's solved, i.e. at > the correct place with the correct orientation. How many are allowed > to be solved to still call it non-lucky? I don't know :-). To be > honest, I don't (yet) care much about this because I'm not (yet) fast > enough for it to matter. If I'm under 1:30 and I'd claim one of the > top spots, then I'll think about what's lucky :-) > > Cheers! > Stefan >

http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 "The most popular puzzle of all time!" If you respect the constraints of the sudoku, how many different solved states are there? Gilles.

Isn't Terje Kristensen from Norway? /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > Yes, I had expected that it must be at least too! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 11:56 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > Don't forget about Eivind Fonn ;). > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > Hej Per, > > You seem to be the only cuber in Norway now. What do you think, > Per, cubing is in general too complicated for a Norwegian? > > Rune > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:41 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Most Influential Cuber > > > > > > > Hi :-) > > > > > > The record would be pretty much the same. People would use > another > > > fast method. Im in no doubt that other methods can be just as > fast :D > > > > > > The good thing about the Fridrich method is that it can be > learnt in > > > steps. Increasing complexity. Increasing number of algorithms. > And > > > from Fridrich u can extend it to even more complex methods. So > > > there's no wonder it's such a popular method ;-) > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "skeneegee" > > > <skeneegee@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I thought Jessica would win this for sure. Her basic method is > > > used by > > > > the majority of world class speedcubers. If her method wasn't > used > > > at > > > > all, what would the world record be today? > > > > > > > > -mike > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" > > > > <richy_jr_2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a > poll > > > for Most > > > > > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing > this. > > > Have > > > > > fun! > > > > > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > > > > > > > > > -Richard Patterson > > > > > richy_jr_2000@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links >

Wow, how much have you practiced? And how do you memorize? I don't know the reasoning behind the numbers you can see in the SCC rules. You might try to directly apply those rules to my method. Just be aware that (in)correct orientation doesn't exist for pieces at the wrong "position" and that a piece is only correctly positioned if it's both at the correct position and with the correct orientation. So you get: For blindfold solving a lucky case is defined by: 1) more than 5 corners are solved, or 2) more than 8 edges are solved, or 3) more than 3 corners are solved, or 4) more than 4 edges are solved. Which then collapses into: For blindfold solving a lucky case is defined by: a) more than 3 corners are solved, or b) more than 4 edges are solved. Note this is just a quick suggestion and by no means do I claim this is the way it should be done. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > Well any chance you can enlighten me??? Because yes, that time does > include memorisation. I have done a lot of times just over 3 minutes, > and I think 3 sub-3s. My meorisation is good...i think... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Stefan, > > > > > > I thought you would be the one to ask about this. With your method, > > > when are corners considered lucky, and when are edges considered > > > lucky. Of course you can't use the standard on speedcubing.com > > > becuase it is for a 4 step solving. I just did a 2:33.10 (started > > > using your method on sunday, PS, it rocks) and I solved 7 corners > > and > > > 7 edges...Could you please let me know. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Craig > > > > Does that include time for memorization? Even with only 7 edges that > > would be very impressive for that short amount of practice... > > > > I'd say with this method a piece is only lucky if it's solved, i. e. at > > the correct place with the correct orientation. How many are allowed > > to be solved to still call it non-lucky? I don't know :-). To be > > honest, I don't (yet) care much about this because I'm not (yet) fast > > enough for it to matter. If I'm under 1:30 and I'd claim one of the > > top spots, then I'll think about what's lucky :-) > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor Hungarian waiter!" WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? Stefan

Hi Richard, try to click "view results"... I get an error message: This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible. Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richy_jr_2000" <richy_jr_2000@...> wrote: > > I tallied up the nominations, and have finally created a poll for Most > Influential Cuber. Sorry for the gigantic delay in doing this. Have > fun! > > http://www.geocities.com/rubiks_galaxia/poll.html > > -Richard Patterson > richy_jr_2000@... >

Ummm, I'd say I've practice quite a fair bit. And I memorize a story for the corners, and then store it in "long term" memory. Then for edges, I kind of say a story that I sub-conciously memorize, but I make a mental image of the cube in my head, and the order that they will go. Neither is a hardfast memorisation, and I couldn't tell you the story more than 2 minutes after the solve. I do memorisation quickly, and then think and twist at the same time, cept for corners...For corners I go through the story once, just to see where everything is. Then I go through, trying to remember, and counting for parity, and then I usually do it once more just to make sure its in my head. If its a difficult solve, say maybe 3 or 4 cycles (which may I add are evil) I'll take a little longer to make sure its in my head. Then edges its basic memo. Just long enough to put the blindfold on and do the edges, then I forget it. For 2x2 BLD the most you can have unsolved is 7. So I just memorize a set of colours, a lot like I do edges for 3x3. its at most a string of 6 colours. One solve I did (had 3 corners solved) was Green Green Red Red. So you agree that the more than 4 corrected is lucky...hmmm...intriguing... Your method rocks Stefan, and if you can can you jump on yahoo??? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Wow, how much have you practiced? And how do you memorize? > > I don't know the reasoning behind the numbers you can see in the SCC > rules. You might try to directly apply those rules to my method. Just > be aware that (in)correct orientation doesn't exist for pieces at the > wrong "position" and that a piece is only correctly positioned if it's > both at the correct position and with the correct orientation. So you > get: > > For blindfold solving a lucky case is defined by: > 1) more than 5 corners are solved, or > 2) more than 8 edges are solved, or > 3) more than 3 corners are solved, or > 4) more than 4 edges are solved. > > Which then collapses into: > > For blindfold solving a lucky case is defined by: > a) more than 3 corners are solved, or > b) more than 4 edges are solved. > > Note this is just a quick suggestion and by no means do I claim this > is the way it should be done. > > Cheers! > Stefan

This cube doesn't stick to the rules of Sudoku. In theory there shouldn't be the same number in the same row or column or anything. But the corners have two 1s on some of them...so not possible. Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 > > Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor > Hungarian waiter!" > > WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? > > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > For 2x2 BLD the most you can have unsolved is 7. So I just memorize a > set of colours, a lot like I do edges for 3x3. its at most a string > of 6 colours. One solve I did (had 3 corners solved) was Green Green > Red Red. Hmm... only a string of colors? I memorize a string of color pairs. Do you only memorize the color of the "main" sticker, i.e. the first color in each of my pairs? And then I guess you also store the additional information somewhat intuitively visually? That would be an interesting new approach... > Your method rocks Stefan, and if you can can you jump on yahoo??? Thanks, and no, I need to learn quite a bit for an exam in 10 days, so no chatting for me now (in addition to the general no-chatting-for-me rule :-), sorry... Cheers! Stefan

For 2x2 I use a string of colours. It wouldn't work for the bigger stuff. But for 3x3 I memorise the pairs like described on your site. Alright...you better pass then... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > For 2x2 BLD the most you can have unsolved is 7. So I just memorize > a > > set of colours, a lot like I do edges for 3x3. its at most a string > > of 6 colours. One solve I did (had 3 corners solved) was Green > Green > > Red Red. > > Hmm... only a string of colors? I memorize a string of color pairs. Do > you only memorize the color of the "main" sticker, i.e. the first > color in each of my pairs? And then I guess you also store the > additional information somewhat intuitively visually? That would be an > interesting new approach... > > > Your method rocks Stefan, and if you can can you jump on yahoo??? > > Thanks, and no, I need to learn quite a bit for an exam in 10 days, so > no chatting for me now (in addition to the general no-chatting-for-me > rule :-), sorry... > > Cheers! > Stefan >

In Thom Barlow's quote on the UWR page for 2x2 BLD he mentions doing a turn then getting an easier case. So I decided to try this. A cube that started out with 6 unsolved pieces, I did L', to make 4 unsolved pieces, memorised Green Orange Orange, and solved in 30.59. :D Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > For 2x2 I use a string of colours. It wouldn't work for the bigger > stuff. But for 3x3 I memorise the pairs like described on your site. > > Alright...you better pass then... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > For 2x2 BLD the most you can have unsolved is 7. So I just memorize > > a > > > set of colours, a lot like I do edges for 3x3. its at most a string > > > of 6 colours. One solve I did (had 3 corners solved) was Green > > Green > > > Red Red. > > > > Hmm... only a string of colors? I memorize a string of color pairs. Do > > you only memorize the color of the "main" sticker, i.e. the first > > color in each of my pairs? And then I guess you also store the > > additional information somewhat intuitively visually? That would be an > > interesting new approach... > > > > > Your method rocks Stefan, and if you can can you jump on yahoo??? > > > > Thanks, and no, I need to learn quite a bit for an exam in 10 days, so > > no chatting for me now (in addition to the general no-chatting-for-me > > rule :-), sorry... > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <rheise@...> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 05:22:30AM -0600, Mike Bennett wrote: > > In terms of complexity, middle slice moves on a 3x3 cube change 4 edges and > > 4 center pieces, or 12 stickers. Rotating a single face on a cube rotates > > at least 4 edges and 4 corner pieces (and a center in position), or 20 > > stickers, and a center. > > His observation wasn't about complexity, though. It was about physics. > > In terms of complexity, a slice move is less complex than a face move > because it leaves corners (collectively, the most complex pieces) > untouched. > > In terms of physics, a slice move is more involved than a face move > because it involves movements along two cut planes instead of one. > > > Ryan > please understand it is not my intention to offend but the brief of my project is to design and build a 2D model with all its physical properties and limitations and to build a solution algorithm into it. to demo my thinking i have just uploaded the design specs of my sim into the files section under Rubik 2D directory in a hope that you can better understand my problem. i am not looking at this in a speed cubing prospective just a research project into a problem i could never solve. your input and responces over the last few days have been of immense value to me.. if anyone is willing i would like to be able to post my simulator which is working as a basic sim only for some of you to respond to.. i would greatly welcome any comments on in consistancies that you find in my work. many thanks again Kelvin

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:47:15 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> said: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > [1]http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 > Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor > Hungarian waiter!" > > WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? > Stefan Maybe Mr Rubik had a part-time job in a restaurant when he was a young architecture student?? Or maybe the person who wrote that doesn't have a clue and doesn't know how to use Google?? ;) Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin

CO: http://tinyurl.com/q4g7j CP: http://tinyurl.com/pyxkq EO: http://tinyurl.com/mcfwn EP: http://tinyurl.com/pu6gr Solve: http://tinyurl.com/pfk2a Diagram of different CO cases: http://tinyurl.com/r7vrc

You did do this after putting on the blindfold though, right? ~Thom --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > > In Thom Barlow's quote on the UWR page for 2x2 BLD he mentions doing a > turn then getting an easier case. So I decided to try this. A cube > that started out with 6 unsolved pieces, I did L', to make 4 unsolved > pieces, memorised Green Orange Orange, and solved in 30.59. :D > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > For 2x2 I use a string of colours. It wouldn't work for the bigger > > stuff. But for 3x3 I memorise the pairs like described on your site. > > > > Alright...you better pass then... > > > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > > > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > > > > > For 2x2 BLD the most you can have unsolved is 7. So I just > memorize > > > a > > > > set of colours, a lot like I do edges for 3x3. its at most a string > > > > of 6 colours. One solve I did (had 3 corners solved) was Green > > > Green > > > > Red Red. > > > > > > Hmm... only a string of colors? I memorize a string of color > pairs. Do > > > you only memorize the color of the "main" sticker, i.e. the first > > > color in each of my pairs? And then I guess you also store the > > > additional information somewhat intuitively visually? That would > be an > > > interesting new approach... > > > > > > > Your method rocks Stefan, and if you can can you jump on yahoo??? > > > > > > Thanks, and no, I need to learn quite a bit for an exam in 10 > days, so > > > no chatting for me now (in addition to the general no-chatting-for-me > > > rule :-), sorry... > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > >

In the different biographies of Erno Rubik the word "waiter" can only be found in one place. It´s the episode, when Laczi had stopped at a small-town cafe between Vienna and Budapest and caugh sight of a cube at the {waiter}. R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasmine Lee" <speedcuber@fastmail.fm> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Sudokube > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:47:15 -0000, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> > said: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > [1]http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 > > Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor > > Hungarian waiter!" > > > > WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? > > Stefan > > Maybe Mr Rubik had a part-time job in a restaurant when he was a young > architecture student?? Or maybe the person who wrote that doesn't have a > clue and doesn't know how to use Google?? ;) > > Jasmine > http://speedcuber.blogspot.com > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

Of course, otherwise it would be cheating... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "thomkirjava" <snkenjoi@...> wrote: > > You did do this after putting on the blindfold though, right? > > ~Thom > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > > > In Thom Barlow's quote on the UWR page for 2x2 BLD he mentions doing a > > turn then getting an easier case. So I decided to try this. A cube > > that started out with 6 unsolved pieces, I did L', to make 4 unsolved > > pieces, memorised Green Orange Orange, and solved in 30.59. :D > > > > Craig

Posted that I had one of these a while ago. Very tricky. Clearly the intent is that each face is solved as a sudoku puizzle so they do respect the rules. As for how many solutions - I'm still not sure - it may depend on whether you allow a solution with the numbers wrongly oriented with respect to each other on a given face. Duncan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Sudokube > This cube doesn't stick to the rules of Sudoku. In theory there > shouldn't be the same number in the same row or column or anything. > But the corners have two 1s on some of them...so not possible. > > Craig > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: >> >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" >> <grrroux@> wrote: >> > >> > >> > http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 >> >> Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor >> Hungarian waiter!" >> >> WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? >> >> Stefan >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't a sudokube essentially just a supercube? On 3/11/06, Duncan Dicks <duncan@...> wrote: > Posted that I had one of these a while ago. Very tricky. Clearly the > intent is that each face is solved as a sudoku puizzle so they do respect > the rules. As for how many solutions - I'm still not sure - it may depend > on whether you allow a solution with the numbers wrongly oriented with > respect to each other on a given face. > > Duncan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:57 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Sudokube > > > > This cube doesn't stick to the rules of Sudoku. In theory there > > shouldn't be the same number in the same row or column or anything. > > But the corners have two 1s on some of them...so not possible. > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@...> wrote: > >> > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" > >> <grrroux@> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.prezzybox.com/products/index.aspx?pid=3698 > >> > >> Quote about Rubik's Cube: "Not bad for something developed by a poor > >> Hungarian waiter!" > >> > >> WHAT ?!? Waiter ?!? > >> > >> Stefan > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- -cubekid